Luck or skill. However, you need to read the changes again as you are exaggerating the scenario results.

How does this change increase contribute to alpha damage?

How does cooldown decrease K/D of an ADS? It reduces the impact of an ADS on a battle by making it retreat more often.

ROF bonus is surely something we can reduce, noone has mentioned it since these discussions began 2 weeks ago.

Luck or skill. However, you need to read the changes again as you are exaggerating the scenario results.

How does this change increase contribute to alpha damage?

How does cooldown decrease K/D of an ADS? It reduces the impact of an ADS on a battle by making it retreat more often.

ROF bonus is surely something we can reduce, noone has mentioned it since these discussions began 2 weeks ago.

maybe you shouldn't hover in front of the weapon designated to kill you, maybe team work?

Define hover. Because you can circle around a Swarmer, bob and weave and they will always lock you, but your aim is thrown off by those motions and for naught. Rarely do I ever hover, and rarely do I ever outrun the second volley.

This discussion is immediately looking like it is going to get derailed by bickering. Please consider this the final warning to stay on the topic and contribute meaningful opinions to the matter at hand.

Question Regarding Swarms physical limits:

When does a swarm missile run out of fuel?

As shown in the chart, it has a 400m maximum range from launch, but does it also have a flight time? If a ship stays within 400 meters of the launched location, while moving at high speed, will the swarm chase indefinitely? Or is it possible for a dropship to "scrub" the missile by making it run out of fuel by taking sharp turns and wasting it's flight time?

Also, thank you for the work you are putting into this Rattati, we realize this is no easy task.

It's a 400m traveled, not distance from launcher. So if, for some reason, it flew in a circle with a circumference of 400m, it would explode where it was fired.

We'll have to see if it's possible for an ADS to dodge swarms since swarms are getting an agility nerf. My dream is that I can just tightly orbit swarmers with my AB on while their missiles just circle around me (similar to what I do with forgers).

Maneuverability and dodging shots and hiding away from line of sight is how it should survive. The FG has to be used on a heavy suit that is all but immobile. A good pilot like Derrith or Sir Snugglez could keep me busy with their 1 ADS for an entire game, and this is when I'm landing almost all my shots on them. The last shot is always what never lands because they can stay just long enough to kill some infantry and then max range me in less time than it takes me to charge a shot.

Please continue taking "drive-bys" out of context and we are done here. It just means keep, moving. It even says "3m/s" minimum speed.

You can hover and kill non AV infantry

You can hover and kill non AV HAV's

You can not hover and engage multiple targets while also being under attack by a swarm launcher but you can move away and then engage in a strafing run.

It just seems to me that some of you want to keep the status quo and refuse to listen to anything else when we all know, and most pilots admit as much privately, that the ADS is completely overpowered.

Please continue taking "drive-bys" out of context and we are done here. It just means keep, moving. It even says "3m/s" minimum speed.

You can hover and kill non AV infantry

You can hover and kill non AV HAV's

You can not hover and engage multiple targets while also being under attack by a swarm launcher but you can move away and then engage in a strafing run.

It just seems to me that some of you want to keep the status quo and refuse to listen to anything else when we all know, and most pilots admit as much privately, that the ADS is completely overpowered.

The only comment previous to this was mine, and how was it bickering or off-topic?

ADS can no longer hover, so they have to keep moving, but gunners have a hard time hitting targets while the ADS moves, so I ask for stabilization.

It seems the bickering and ranting has been moderated. This was not meant for you, sorry it looks that way.

Please continue taking "drive-bys" out of context and we are done here. It just means keep, moving. It even says "3m/s" minimum speed.

You can hover and kill non AV infantry

You can hover and kill non AV HAV's

You can not hover and engage multiple targets while also being under attack by a swarm launcher but you can move away and then engage in a strafing run.

It just seems to me that some of you want to keep the status quo and refuse to listen to anything else when we all know, and most pilots admit as much privately, that the ADS is completely overpowered.

About rendering problems: we have noticed that many of the pilots and gunners sit in a dropship with sniper rifles.
Once verified, we found that the distance of drawing objects (infantry on far ground) is significantly improved.
I hope that these observations may help in this situation.

About rendering problems: we have noticed that many of the pilots and gunners sit in a dropship with sniper rifles.
Once verified, we found that the distance of drawing objects (infantry on far ground) is significantly improved.
I hope that these observations may help in this situation.

Thanks for putting in the work Rattati. I have a couple questions regarding the chart.

1) why is the first chart have the drop ship hovering at 60m and the second one hovering at 80m? I cannot tell because the distance is measured in 200m intervals, but it looks like if the dropship is hovering at 60 in the second chart for comaparisons sake then wouldn't 3 swams hit the dropship with an afterburner?

2) I would really apreciate clarification on whether swarm explode after traveling 400m? Or are swarms programed to explode after 9 seconds of travel and 400m is how far the can fly in that period of time?

If the later is true then i worry that improving the speed will also increase the distance a missile can travel before self detonating.

Regarding the OPness of Dropships. Though i disagree that ADS are overpowered I agree with others on this thread that simply making them easier to kill is the wrong way to go about it. It doesn't help infantry who are not specced into AV and it doesn't chage the dynamics on the ground.

ROF bonus is also the wrong way to go about it. Rail turrets are already going to have the ROf nerfed, and it wont affect any missile incubus. It also doesn't fall inline with your vision of fast attack ships especially in terms of strafing.

Instead i would take a look at the main infantry destroyer the missile turrets (especialy the XT-1s). Increase the clip size (1 per level?) but reduce damage and splash so it doesn't one shot kill most suits. Firing more rounds but requiring more a lot more accuracy.

I've followed all of the hotfix conversations and i've noticed that when something is considered to be killing an extrodinary amount of clones or has an unfair advantage you've tweaked the weapon or module not the entire suit. (the exception being heavies with light weapons). I say look at the anti infantry effectiveness of dropships which comes from its weapons, and not solely the survivability of dropships vs 1 swarm launcher. Thats what got the pilots so very much against against the swarm buff, because our dropships are already extremely fragile.

I'm sorry if you consider this bickering or ranting but i love flying, i hate losing any ship (i'll recall my gorgons and my vipers rather than jump on a ledge and let them fall and die) and i lose a fair share to swarms already.

Increasing the Afterburner cooldown is a good start towards giving ground troops some breathing space, tweaking the small missile damage should give infantry more time to get to cover, and give swarmers a better oppurtunity to hit dropships which must get closer and hover longer (as in your first chart) as well as better survivabilty vs dropships. It would help all infantry vs dropships. Give all the troops a reasonable chance for survival vs the ADS, and i think this would go along way towards relieving the enimity between all troops and all pilots. 07.

Someone needs to post video of this.

^^^ This ^^^

I don't think any pilot has ever said "dropships are OP" not even once... We all say they're squishy as ****.

But small missiles we know are too strong... Why do you think we use them on the Incubus, it's got no bonus RoF, it just farms infantry better than a blaster and downs ground vehicles better than a small rail (even more so after Delta nerfs RoF on all rails, but does nothing to bonus stacking.)
The only downside is having to lead your target, which is only an issue vs other dropships that can turn out the way of it after it's been shot.

The problem rails has was their damage profile being wonky at 77%/63%. The ROF Nerf is coupled woth the profile being updated, so DPS will remain the same.

...visible to the naked eye, that if you sat in ship with a SR texture within 100m is not loaded gradually, but immediately.
For the purity of the experiment (comparison), you must do it in two different rounds, but at the same map.
For example, on this map infantry on the central table is seen from the height of hightowers (if SR present in u fit).

graf settings: LOW
effects: LOW

Luck or skill. However, you need to read the changes again as you are exaggerating the scenario results.

How does this change increase contribute to alpha damage?

How does cooldown decrease K/D of an ADS? It reduces the impact of an ADS on a battle by making it retreat more often.

ROF bonus is surely something we can reduce, noone has mentioned it since these discussions began 2 weeks ago.