Without ewar scouts would just be slightly faster assaults with half the HP, i.e. totally useless.

Also, without ewar EVERYONE would be burst/hmg sentinels. There would be no reason to use anything else as scouts would have less hp and no ewar advantage and medium frames are instamelted by hmgs. So the game would be mostly hmg heavies with a few logis and commandos thrown in the mix.

Hell in PC it is almost this way anyways since the six kin burst is fuking god mode right now.

I posted this in Feedback but it seems like more people pay attention to GD.

I won't go into a long tirade as to why red dots appearing through walls is a stupid idea. It should speak for itself. The simple fact of knowing someone's position through a wall gives such a massive advantage that in almost any other FPS game it would be considered a wallhack and thus a banable offense.

I play Scout (since 1.8 of course) and have been making use of this nonsense since before Active Scans were nerfed, and the simple fact is it's unfair. It's unfair that I can be ready to unload my clip in someone's face the milisecond they turn the corner while they have absolutely no idea I'm there because I'm a damped scout. EWar is a good premise with really shoddy execution. I can understand CCP wants Scouts to be "intel providers" or whatever, but what they've done has inadvertently pushed all slayers like myself towards Scouts because it's become a game of wallhack or be wallhacked.

My suggestion may not be easy to execute because it's probably not just changing some variable, but I really think we need to get rid of red dots appearing through walls via passive scans. Red dots should appear after you've "spotted" someone a la targeted them with your weapon and should remain visible for a few seconds thereafter, but the simple "wallhack radius of death" shouldn't exist in any FPS game. The red dots should appear only on your radar such that you can look at it occasionally, see some red dots in your radius and be advised "Ok, I know there's enemies around me but I don't know if they're above me, below me, around the corner, etc". With how it works now, I see a red dot through the wall and if he doesn't know I'm there it's 99% likely I'll kill him before he can even respond.

It's silly to have a constant free flow of information regarding enemy positions with absolutely no drawback. Get rid of the wallhacks.

To be honest, that is a scout's job. He should be able to see a lot of what's going on around him, that's what scouting is. The issue is how easily it is for them to act on their own with their knowledge as opposed to wait for backup and let the actual slayer suits do their work.

This now lets med frames bleed over into the passive scanning and dampening world also. Able to get below a full skilled, but un modded scout if they have full skills and profile dampeners. It also lets them passively scan full skilled un dampened scouts with 2 complex precision enhancers.

I believe what he is saying is that the red dots should show up only on the radar with passive scans, not light up in your normal field of vision. That's the difference between "ewar" and "lolwallhax". You shouldn't be able to see the other player right in front of you without even so much as having to look up at the HUD.

Think of it as pinging them as opposed to using X-ray vision.

Ah, yeah I see - I would have no problem with this at all - makes good sense. I did not realize even that this was the core of the discussion. Makes sense to me - not a bad idea at all.

I probably could clarify better but yes, this is the intent.

As a Scout, I still end up looking at my radar about every 3 or 4 seconds to check my surroundings, but this practice is null in most cases because the red dots are already visible all around me on the screen.

The radar is an important tool that Scouts should have to rely more on for survival. It's too easy to go Slayer Scout with the current implementation because seeing red dots through walls is just too damn good.

I'd just like to note that I make use of DUST wallhacks all the time and it's partly the reason I can get 30+ killstreaks without dying. Many others with similar skill levels do the same, and I'm fairly positive the ones who are adamantly against removing red dots through walls probably abuse it just as much and simply don't want to see their favorite crutch gone.

Ok, perhaps maybe I can agree with this. Allow the scouts to see redberries through the walls but limit the information to the minimap and not the field of vision.

PS: I run primarily Minmatar scout so I don't take advantage of the EWAR because it has none.

Wait wait wait... did you just say EWAR has no advantage? Being constantly fed enemy positions around you provides absolutely NO advantage to you?

I'm just gonna shake my head and walk away from this one...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I'm talking about the Minmatar Scout having no EWAR advantage! Perhaps I should've worded it better. I'm tired today.

Oh, well yeah that's true...

But think about it this way, if red dots through walls were removed then every Scout would be a lot more balanced vs each other as well as vs the other suits. Scouts would still be able to tell people are around them via looking at their radar and seeing the chevrons in their radius.

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don't know about the second part but I think the first (getting below unmodded scout with fully damped assault) is possible right now

It is not a wallhack since CCP implemented it on purpose. Get over it.

PS: The Halo series by Bungie and 343 Industries has radar that allows you to see EVERYONE that's moving and yet that never ruined the gameplay experience.

There is this crazy idea out there that maybe you shouldn't.

That's a very shallow interpretation of what's going on here. You seem to have this preconception that just because we've been around longer that we want to do everything in our power to sabotage the playerbase.

You completely misconstrue the point here. OF COURSE we would use these things. How else do you compete with other players who abuse broken mechanics? Is there some sort of moral code we have to abide where we all agree not to use them? The fact that so many top tier players use these things is because they're clearly broken, and in such a scenario the only way to stay competitive is to fight fire with fire.

Every single broken FotM piece of crap has been called out by vet players because it ruins gameplay when a certain mechanic becomes so saturated that you have to resort to a "if you can't beat em, join em" mentality. I'm talking about Duvolle TAC, Cal Logi, Fused Locus Grenades, Flaylocks, Mass Drivers, Active Scanners, Forge Guns, Tanks, Cloaks, Scouts, Rail + Combat Rifles, and I'm sure a few others. All of these have at some point been OP and called out by players like us who abused the hell out of them to make it apparent just how stupid they were.

For example, my Forge thread from forever ago where I demonstrated me going 60-0 two games in a row with an Assault Forge Gun by just sitting on top of a tower and blapping people. I asked them to nerf the splash on it because of how easy it was to two-shot people with just splash damage. It ended up being like 15+ pages and was subsequently nerfed in the next patch. A lot of players were saying I was an extreme case and that I cheated or abused the weapon and that it shouldn't be nerfed and blah blah, but there were plenty others like me who were abusing the exact same thing but just not wanting to be open about it.

Point is you gotta show the ridiculousness of certain mechanics if you want them to get fixed. It makes everyone better players and for a better game by not having very apparent crutches readily available in the game.

CLARIFICATION ABOUT MY SUGGESTION: Red dots would still appear on your RADAR, as in that thing on the top left of your screen that you may or may not have known exists. Red dots will cease to appear on your SCREEN as to prevent you knowing exactly where enemies are around you at all times. EWAR would still exist, only in a more limited fashion since it's clearly broken in its current implementation. The idea would make it a lot harder for Scouts to play whack-a-mole with the red dots that pop up all around them.

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RADAR is not perfect - does not show the height of target(redberry on radar), so chevrons on your screen are necessary.

then again i dont know. you'd think in a futuristic society they'd have better scanning technology than we do.

and we can already scan through walls with X-rays. i don't know if we can apply it to a battle situation but im sure new eden could

i agree that there should be some sort of "commando" light frame that sacrifices EWAR for slaying ability

You have to understand that balancing around lore is not something you do in an FPS. Yes, I'm sure they could have amazing tactical networks that feed every soldier enemy positions 100% of the time with chips implanted in their brains to make it so they never miss and blah blah blah...

It doesn't matter what shooter it is, you have to balance around gameplay and not "Well in the future they would have...".