I have to say there wasnt much complain about passives scan until caladari scout was introduced. Play PC in scout and see how
important 'wallhacks' are.

I posted this in Feedback but it seems like more people pay attention to GD.

I won't go into a long tirade as to why red dots appearing through walls is a stupid idea. It should speak for itself. The simple fact of knowing someone's position through a wall gives such a massive advantage that in almost any other FPS game it would be considered a wallhack and thus a banable offense.

I play Scout (since 1.8 of course) and have been making use of this nonsense since before Active Scans were nerfed, and the simple fact is it's unfair. It's unfair that I can be ready to unload my clip in someone's face the milisecond they turn the corner while they have absolutely no idea I'm there because I'm a damped scout. EWar is a good premise with really shoddy execution. I can understand CCP wants Scouts to be "intel providers" or whatever, but what they've done has inadvertently pushed all slayers like myself towards Scouts because it's become a game of wallhack or be wallhacked.

My suggestion may not be easy to execute because it's probably not just changing some variable, but I really think we need to get rid of red dots appearing through walls via passive scans. Red dots should appear after you've "spotted" someone a la targeted them with your weapon and should remain visible for a few seconds thereafter, but the simple "wallhack radius of death" shouldn't exist in any FPS game. The red dots should appear only on your radar such that you can look at it occasionally, see some red dots in your radius and be advised "Ok, I know there's enemies around me but I don't know if they're above me, below me, around the corner, etc". With how it works now, I see a red dot through the wall and if he doesn't know I'm there it's 99% likely I'll kill him before he can even respond.

It's silly to have a constant free flow of information regarding enemy positions with absolutely no drawback. Get rid of the wallhacks.

The problem is the pass/fail nature of passive scans. Either they always see you, or they never do. There's no dynamic, and it makes balance near impossible. If we ever get a client side update, I'd advise a revamp of the system into something dynamic, like people becoming harder to detect the farther away they are.

The problem is the pass/fail nature of passive scans. Either they always see you, or they never do. There's no dynamic, and it makes balance near impossible. If we ever get a client side update, I'd advise a revamp of the system into something dynamic, like people becoming harder to detect the farther away they are.

This issue was much more engaging however pre 1.8 where I could decide with my logi or assault suit whether to damp enough to neutralize all but the 5 second active scanner...and completely nullify all passive scans with 3 damps.

The monopoly on the wallhack by scouts is a large part of the imbalance.

This issue was much more engaging however pre 1.8 where I could decide with my logi or assault suit whether to damp enough to neutralize all but the 5 second active scanner...and completely nullify all passive scans with 3 damps.

The monopoly on the wallhack by scouts is a large part of the imbalance.

How is it different than sneaking up on ppl's backs while cloaked as a scout? Does this not position you to unload a clip into an unsuspecting opponent even more than seeing them approach around a wall?

Also - everyone knows not to turn corners by themselves unless at their own risk.

I don't see a problem with seeing through a wall - really does not much alter mechanics of a game where players can be cloaked.

To be honest, that is a scout's job. He should be able to see a lot of what's going on around him, that's what scouting is. The issue is how easily it is for them to act on their own with their knowledge as opposed to wait for backup and let the actual slayer suits do their work.

I suggested awhile back that scouts should only be allowed to equip sidearms, thus eliminating a large portion of this problem. As shotgun scouts are a beloved part of the game by the scout community, I would have basic light frames retain their light weapon slot. Thus the choice becomes you can either sacrifice your shotgun to get wallhacks and a cloak, or you can have your speedy shotgunner with less wallhacks and no cloak bonus, meaning you gimp your fit if you wish to fit it that way.

To be honest, that is a scout's job. He should be able to see a lot of what's going on around him, that's what scouting is. The issue is how easily it is for them to act on their own with their knowledge as opposed to wait for backup and let the actual slayer suits do their work.

I suggested awhile back that scouts should only be allowed to equip sidearms, thus eliminating a large portion of this problem. As shotgun scouts are a beloved part of the game by the scout community, I would have basic light frames retain their light weapon slot. Thus the choice becomes you can either sacrifice your shotgun to get wallhacks and a cloak, or you can have your speedy shotgunner with less wallhacks and no cloak bonus, meaning you gimp your fit if you wish to fit it that way.

It really does because it makes the role of slayer Scouts way too easy, which is why there's so many of them now.

By not having red dots appear through walls Scouts would have to rely on their radar combined with actually having to search for an enemy. You wouldn't instantly know where someone is only that there's definitely someone in your vicinity.

It would actually make Scouts have to focus on looking at the game instead of playing whack-a-mole with the red dots that pop up on their screen.