Go play call of duty.

You have to understand that balancing around lore is not something you do in an FPS. Yes, I'm sure they could have amazing tactical networks that feed every soldier enemy positions 100% of the time with chips implanted in their brains to make it so they never miss and blah blah blah...

It doesn't matter what shooter it is, you have to balance around gameplay and not "Well in the future they would have...".

As long as the scout suit has 1 HP and a sidearm, he will be able to kill any suit in the game. That is the power of passive scan intel combined with virtual invisibility.

Scans, or stealth. I don't think a scout should be doing both.

If its not been mentioned yet, remove the symbol that shows which way they are facing and replace it with a red dot.

This way, you at least won't know exactly which way they are facing.

RADAR is not perfect - does not show the height of target(redberry on radar), so chevrons on your screen are necessary.

Bullshit and completely misleading. Radar is disabled during competitive play events, for one thing, and it clearly DID ruin the experience for anyone who took the game seriously. and even during casual multiplayer it has built-in balance mechanics that Dust lacks.


A person cloaking for example creates tons of ghost static all over the enemies radar when he is in close proximity so the enemy is put on alert when someone is sneaking around. This makes cloaking useful at a distance, but not up close.

Furthermore, anyone can go under the radar by simply crouching. This allows a person to drop off the radar entirely, even after being spotted. It is a big part of ambushing people who rely heavily on radar. You cripple your movement as a "trade off" for getting the drop on someone. I can understand why that wouldn't be appealing to you though -- Dust Scouts aren't used to the phrase "trade off".

He's probably one of the most Die hard dusters.... Been here playing it competitively since the start.


The scanning things is neat... But the scanning things through walls just isn't...

Pre-fire is 9/10's of the law in Shooters. This is fact and is an absolute when playing them.

being able to see and track targets through walls is and will always be a massive problem in moment to moment gameplay and competitive gameplay in this IP and the future of it.

This will only be made worse in Legion when aiming will actually be a skill and headshots will be something that you can consistently and accurately aim for...


Pre firing ruins everyones game and enjoyment of the game... From the person getting the easy kill and missing out on a meaningful engagement to the person coming around the corner that will be dead or less then half health before they can react.


Showing blips on the radar after a scan is one thing... Making Eye contact with a target and them staying on screen for 15-30 seconds...But showing their entire position without any eye contact and giving you a targeting box without ever seeing them is something that is Ridiculous in every sense for general gameplay.

This is not complicated big picture stuff... It should be everyone with general FPS genre experience shaking their head in agreement

Aiming in Legion will be a skill? Really? I'm so skilled I double clicked on internet explorer today

I run no ewar I have a scout..amar..but I feel adding ewar to my character atm..would be adding fotm..which I do not do..

dust has gotten harder I can only be thankful that while ewar scouts may be broken..Most of them suck at their roles..on the saD occasion I run into a full squad of veteran ewar scouts..i go find another match..because I'm stingy about my iskies. Nowadays I make a point to be around 100m away from the hot spots ..Ide rather deal with snipers than scouts..so if a scout wants to jump me they are gonna have to sprint 50-90 m across open space..The game is still playable for someone like me but it is far from easy and everything as always is circumstantial

Fortunately true. Lots of scrub scouts in pubs, and even in FW, but an organized squad of good scouts is f*cking terrifying. If more people used their suits to their real potential the game really would be unplayable for everyone else.

Couple nights ago I was up against Amaterasu and a few other FA people in FW, turned a corner while flanking with some uplinks in a dragonfly. Saw 4 of them cloak and scatter after taking out a couple blueberries who had made a run for the objective. Pretty much just kissed my ass goodbye and started flinging grenades, was dead even before the second one hit the ground (F*cking dual ishukone assault SMGs... Limiting scouts to sidearms wasn't gonna save me there, lol.)

Totally fine with that, it was a risky move and I knew it. Those 4 would have shredded me anyway, and scout-scout combat is solid. The problem is that I can't use any other suit.

The days of spending even 75% of the match in my logi suit are over. Certainly no point in trying to put damps on it. There's a minimum of one person in every squad who will see me anyway, which means everyone can see me.

Are you serious? That's my entire point! The radar and scanning shouldn't be perfect. It's "perfect" the way it is now because I have a 360 degree aura of exact enemy positions conveniently pasted with red chevrons on my screen.

Passive scans should not be perfect. I can totally agree that the Active Scanner should still provide exact positions because it's got a long list of drawbacks to it (duration, angular distance, cooldown, equipment slot, fitting costs, etc.).

What drawbacks do passive scans have[, specifically on Scouts? Go on, I'll wait.

What drawbacks do passive scans have

Passive scans can not penetrate ground level of map.
So if you are on flat ground with one hill, away from any outpost structures, and there is Militia Heavy behind that hill, and you can not see his shape on your screen, you can not see his signature ether even if he is 5 meters from you.
Passive scanner mechanic is construct in way that allows you to detect enemy signatures behind solid walls, buildings, and plenty of materials that should interact and disrupt your 'sound detector', as you already know. If you only have range and precision to detect it, you will detect it with one exception - ground level of map - if target is behind it you will not detect his signature no matter how many modules you use or skills you have, ground level is not penetrable 'wall'.

Are you serious? That's my entire point!

It is RADAR of your DROPSUIT so it should work in 3D, it is not RADAR of spaceship that see battleground in 2D.

because I have a 360 degree aura

BS, you have 60 degree scanning range on your Dropsuit, you see redberry on your 'back' because squad-mates see them in they 60 degree angle and squad scans are shared. Stop spreading BS, you knowledge about how passive scan works is basic.

Active Scanner should still provide exact positions

It takes 3kk less SP to skill it on lvl5, so no.. you are wrong, again.

This post is filled with so much wrong it's not even worth pointing it all out. Instead I'll do the Joe Peci "everything that guy just said was BS... Thank you"

I run no ewar I have a scout..amar..but I feel adding ewar to my character atm..would be adding fotm..which I do not do..

dust has gotten harder I can only be thankful that while ewar scouts may be broken..Most of them suck at their roles..on the saD occasion I run into a full squad of veteran ewar scouts..i go find another match..because I'm stingy about my iskies. Nowadays I make a point to be around 100m away from the hot spots ..Ide rather deal with snipers than scouts..so if a scout wants to jump me they are gonna have to sprint 50-90 m across open space..The game is still playable for someone like me but it is far from easy and everything as always is circumstantial

You can also easily make the counter point that *cue big movie voice* "in a world... with immortal clone soldiers fighting an endless war..." they would also be able to create jamming technology that counters the scanning tech.

Think about real-world radar and stealth technology. Radar was amazing for decades, but no longer. The stealth bomber is totally OP right now (have you ever seen one? It's f*cking crazy, they are super quiet too). Eventually that will get "solved" with some kind of narrow band intense scanning radar or the like.

Every real world military technology eventually gets a counter too.

What drawbacks do passive scans have

Passive scans can not penetrate ground level of map.
So if you are on flat ground with one hill, away from any outpost structures, and there is Militia Heavy behind that hill, and you can not see his shape on your screen, you can not see his signature ether even if he is 5 meters from you.
Passive scanner mechanic is construct in way that allows you to detect enemy signatures behind solid walls, buildings, and plenty of materials that should interact and disrupt your 'sound detector', as you already know. If you only have range and precision to detect it, you will detect it with one exception - ground level of map - if target is behind it you will not detect his signature no matter how many modules you use or skills you have, ground level is not penetrable 'wall'.

Are you serious? That's my entire point!

It is RADAR of your DROPSUIT so it should work in 3D, it is not RADAR of spaceship that see battleground in 2D.

because I have a 360 degree aura

BS, you have 60 degree scanning range on your Dropsuit, you see redberry on your 'back' because squad-mates see them in they 60 degree angle and squad scans are shared. Stop spreading BS, you knowledge about how passive scan works is basic.

Active Scanner should still provide exact positions

It takes 3kk less SP to skill it on lvl5, so no.. you are wrong, again.

Both of the following images are from this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqiWBB6gWXw&list=UUBw0rF1WiMtNMkfRZhXxGzw

Passive scanning seeing through terrain.

http://imgur.com/5TWomim



Passive scanning showing marks more than 60-¦ out of my FOV.

http://imgur.com/YHE3cku

I was not in a squad, (notice the my dot is blue), so I was only getting intel from my passives.

Maybe you are visiting us from 2012? Hey! welcome to 2014. Scanning hasn't worked the way you are describing since uprising 1.4. Do us a favor go back and tell the 2013 Devs that the vehicle changes in 1.7 are moronic, and to make sure they get that decimal right on the militia booster!

On a happier note: Funk you wanna run some stream some pubs tonight?

Both of the following images are from this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqiWBB6gWXw&list=UUBw0rF1WiMtNMkfRZhXxGzw

Passive scanning seeing through terrain.

http://imgur.com/5TWomim

Passive scanning showing marks more than 60-¦ out of my FOV.

http://imgur.com/YHE3cku

I was not in a squad, (notice the my dot is blue), so I was only getting intel from my passives.

Maybe you are visiting us from 2012? Hey! welcome to 2014. Scanning hasn't worked the way you are describing since uprising 1.4. Do us a favor go back and tell the 2013 Devs that the vehicle changes in 1.7 are moronic, and to make sure they get that decimal right on the militia booster!

http://youtu.be/qqiWBB6gWXw?t=6m15s

Look at your own video once again:

- At 6:15 you are on the bridge.
- At 6:17 you see all players that is running to bridge, hold it for a second and focus on guy who is on left - he is on your radar with 2 other guys. They are far away but you can see they shape, chevron, and red dot on radar.
- At 6:18 you falling from the bridge.

From moment when you start falling from bridge(6:18 to 6:19) those 3 guys that was farthest from you, disappear from your radar, they chevrons as well. You will detect them later when you will come closer to edge of the hills.

- 6:25 they blink on you radar once again.

True magic and disappearing rabbits.. right? You played as a Heave here, so you not suppose to 'see' or detect everything on your radar - I play as a scout and I'm telling you I encounter many more situations like that, and there is something wrong with ground level of the map.

Passive scanning is showing me red-berry on radar on 60 degree - I'm mostly using Adv-Pro Gallente Scout suit. Something is f*ck up here because clearly you can see them on 180 degree(http://youtu.be/qqiWBB6gWXw?t=6m56s)

..and btw one more:
http://youtu.be/qqiWBB6gWXw?t=6m40s

Focuses on your radar in area of neutral turret, at 6:43 red berry blink near it - this bug was reported god know when, everyone that spawn 'blink' on radar, yet it was not fix, so do not try to prove me that scanning works perfectly.