I posted this in Feedback but it seems like more people pay attention to GD.

I won't go into a long tirade as to why red dots appearing through walls is a stupid idea. It should speak for itself. The simple fact of knowing someone's position through a wall gives such a massive advantage that in almost any other FPS game it would be considered a wallhack and thus a banable offense.

I play Scout (since 1.8 of course) and have been making use of this nonsense since before Active Scans were nerfed, and the simple fact is it's unfair. It's unfair that I can be ready to unload my clip in someone's face the milisecond they turn the corner while they have absolutely no idea I'm there because I'm a damped scout. EWar is a good premise with really shoddy execution. I can understand CCP wants Scouts to be "intel providers" or whatever, but what they've done has inadvertently pushed all slayers like myself towards Scouts because it's become a game of wallhack or be wallhacked.

My suggestion may not be easy to execute because it's probably not just changing some variable, but I really think we need to get rid of red dots appearing through walls via passive scans. Red dots should appear after you've "spotted" someone a la targeted them with your weapon and should remain visible for a few seconds thereafter, but the simple "wallhack radius of death" shouldn't exist in any FPS game. The red dots should appear only on your radar such that you can look at it occasionally, see some red dots in your radius and be advised "Ok, I know there's enemies around me but I don't know if they're above me, below me, around the corner, etc". With how it works now, I see a red dot through the wall and if he doesn't know I'm there it's 99% likely I'll kill him before he can even respond.

It's silly to have a constant free flow of information regarding enemy positions with absolutely no drawback. Get rid of the wallhacks.

Go play call of duty.

Go play call of duty.

I posted this in Feedback but it seems like more people pay attention to GD.

I won't go into a long tirade as to why red dots appearing through walls is a stupid idea. It should speak for itself. The simple fact of knowing someone's position through a wall gives such a massive advantage that in almost any other FPS game it would be considered a wallhack and thus a banable offense.

I play Scout (since 1.8 of course) and have been making use of this nonsense since before Active Scans were nerfed, and the simple fact is it's unfair. It's unfair that I can be ready to unload my clip in someone's face the milisecond they turn the corner while they have absolutely no idea I'm there because I'm a damped scout. EWar is a good premise with really shoddy execution. I can understand CCP wants Scouts to be "intel providers" or whatever, but what they've done has inadvertently pushed all slayers like myself towards Scouts because it's become a game of wallhack or be wallhacked.

My suggestion may not be easy to execute because it's probably not just changing some variable, but I really think we need to get rid of red dots appearing through walls via passive scans. Red dots should appear after you've "spotted" someone a la targeted them with your weapon and should remain visible for a few seconds thereafter, but the simple "wallhack radius of death" shouldn't exist in any FPS game. The red dots should appear only on your radar such that you can look at it occasionally, see some red dots in your radius and be advised "Ok, I know there's enemies around me but I don't know if they're above me, below me, around the corner, etc". With how it works now, I see a red dot through the wall and if he doesn't know I'm there it's 99% likely I'll kill him before he can even respond.

It's silly to have a constant free flow of information regarding enemy positions with absolutely no drawback. Get rid of the wallhacks.

I posted this in Feedback but it seems like more people pay attention to GD.

I won't go into a long tirade as to why red dots appearing through walls is a stupid idea. It should speak for itself. The simple fact of knowing someone's position through a wall gives such a massive advantage that in almost any other FPS game it would be considered a wallhack and thus a banable offense.

I play Scout (since 1.8 of course) and have been making use of this nonsense since before Active Scans were nerfed, and the simple fact is it's unfair. It's unfair that I can be ready to unload my clip in someone's face the milisecond they turn the corner while they have absolutely no idea I'm there because I'm a damped scout. EWar is a good premise with really shoddy execution. I can understand CCP wants Scouts to be "intel providers" or whatever, but what they've done has inadvertently pushed all slayers like myself towards Scouts because it's become a game of wallhack or be wallhacked.

My suggestion may not be easy to execute because it's probably not just changing some variable, but I really think we need to get rid of red dots appearing through walls via passive scans. Red dots should appear after you've "spotted" someone a la targeted them with your weapon and should remain visible for a few seconds thereafter, but the simple "wallhack radius of death" shouldn't exist in any FPS game. The red dots should appear only on your radar such that you can look at it occasionally, see some red dots in your radius and be advised "Ok, I know there's enemies around me but I don't know if they're above me, below me, around the corner, etc". With how it works now, I see a red dot through the wall and if he doesn't know I'm there it's 99% likely I'll kill him before he can even respond.

It's silly to have a constant free flow of information regarding enemy positions with absolutely no drawback. Get rid of the wallhacks.

Happens in call of duty for a limited amount of time with a high end killstreak. I've said this before. Playing as a Scout with a high alpha damage weapon is Dust 514 CoD mode with an always on Blackbird or a VSAT killstreak.

The ability to see exactly where people are and the direction they are facing in potentially at all times in a large area is ridiculously broken.

I'm sure some, particularly scouts, will defend the concept, but it is broken.
Unfortunately, I can't see it going anywhere.

Whats so broken about investing skill points into something. Only against the FoTM chasers that have no Ewar skills is it truely effective because that cant use there mini map the way it's supposed to be used.

If you have 2 people with there Ewar skills maxed out then it depends on the drop suit they use, call can see far away, gal can hide, ammar can see better at close range and min gets hacking speed.

Nothing is broken about it especially when we have mods that counter all that stuff. against ammar/cal you have dampening mods, against gal you have percision mods. Oh of course if yo focus on eHP then Ewar will look broken and OP especially since your not using the Ewar mods to counter the people that are using it.

Whats so broken about investing skill points into something. Only against the FoTM chasers that have no Ewar skills is it truely effective because that cant use there mini map the way it's supposed to be used.

If you have 2 people with there Ewar skills maxed out then it depends on the drop suit they use, call can see far away, gal can hide, ammar can see better at close range and min gets hacking speed.

Nothing is broken about it especially when we have mods that counter all that stuff. against ammar/cal you have dampening mods, against gal you have percision mods. Oh of course if yo focus on eHP then Ewar will look broken and OP especially since your not using the Ewar mods to counter the people that are using it.

The 'FoTM chasers', as you put it, have EWAR skills. Anyone who uses a scout and does not have EWAR skills either lacks the SP or is not FoTM chasing.

And then you come up with this drivel about how the scouts are balanced against each other.

That is not the point here.
The point is that EWAR is ridiculously broken against everyone else.

I'm sure it's very fun to you to go on about how amazing your scout vs scout dynamics are, but when you have a literal wallhack, being able to see exactly where your opponents are at all times, in 3D space, and even being able to see the direction they're facing in, it is broken.

Let's not even pretend it takes 'skill' to sneak up on people like that.


... On second thoughts, you bring up some wonderful points. People invested SP, so it's not broken!
I invested SP in my TAR and Gallogi with triage hives and 360 scanners. Clearly those were fine!

Really so a FoTM chaser that is busy skilling into the next op suit and weapon will have the time to put sp into Ewar skills, now that is a joke.

I watched all the FoTM chasers cry that their scouts were not good enough when they had no sp in Ewar at all, just like i hear people cry they can't fit stuff on there suit when they ignore fitting skills.

As for assault( ill use cal assault as example) the cal assault just got an extra high slot, now how many went with an extra eHP mod instead of an eWAR mod?

Is it the games or devs fault if a person desides to ignore Ewar mods and focus on Ehp instead. If your saying that scouts are to OP because of ewar then don't focus on Ehp.

You don't need hp when you can see everything around you. That is why scouts are so OP as you put it, because wqe can see you before you see us, so we can plan out attack better then you.

Really so a FoTM chaser that is busy skilling into the next op suit and weapon will have the time to put sp into Ewar skills, now that is a joke.

I watched all the FoTM chasers cry that their scouts were not good enough when they had no sp in Ewar at all, just like i hear people cry they can't fit stuff on there suit when they ignore fitting skills.

As for assault( ill use cal assault as example) the cal assault just got an extra high slot, now how many went with an extra eHP mod instead of an eWAR mod?

Is it the games or devs fault if a person desides to ignore Ewar mods and focus on Ehp instead. If your saying that scouts are to OP because of ewar then don't focus on Ehp.

You don't need hp when you can see everything around you. That is why scouts are so OP as you put it, because wqe can see you before you see us, so we can plan out attack better then you.

I have to say there wasnt much complain about passives scan until caladari scout was introduced. Play PC in scout and see how
important 'wallhacks' are.

Do you run heavy now Funk? If not, come play a PC again to discover why wall-hacks are essential until either the 1.8k dps at 30 meters changes or the 2k ehp.

Git Gud?
A. If your running 2k ehp (which is impossible) you are a scrub heavy and will thus get rekt by a half decent scout.
B. Your supposed to use these wall hacks for flanking and a scout can get 2 shot gun shots off and the third comes out just as a heavy is able to turn around and get a burst off it generally only takes 3 shots to kill a heavy.
C. Burst is getting nerfed so your point is invalid.

Do you seriously believe that 'FoTM chasers' don't spec cores? Does it genuinely not occur to you that the vast majority of these people have vast sums of SP and maxed cores?

As someone on the low end of the higher tiers, I have every weapon protoed, every core skill maxed apart from things like hand-to-hand combat, and I have six protosuits just on my main.

If you do not believe that people spec EWAR skills, you are an idiot.


Have you even looked at the EWAR stats on non-scout frames?
If you have, I dearly hope you are intelligent enough to realise how terrible an idea it is to try and EWAR fit an assault over a scout.
If not, then perhaps you should take steps to reduce your ignorance.



Ah yes, here is that 'we'.
Of course you're a scout. It's nice to know that unfailingly there's always such bias in these discussions. I expect there'll be more of this 'us vs them' mentality in your reply.

The EWAR options available to non-scout frames are pitiful. Let's not even pretend for an instant that it's a genuinely viable option to EWAR fit them.

Reading your second-last sentence is hilarious to me.
That's the entire point.

You're right. You don't need HP when you can see everything around you, because seeing everything around you in such detail is so ludicrously strong an ability. I'm glad you realise that, even if that realisation is buried in your subconscious beneath all that bias.

Whats so broken about investing skill points into something. Only against the FoTM chasers that have no Ewar skills is it truely effective because that cant use there mini map the way it's supposed to be used.

If you have 2 people with there Ewar skills maxed out then it depends on the drop suit they use, call can see far away, gal can hide, ammar can see better at close range and min gets hacking speed.

Nothing is broken about it especially when we have mods that counter all that stuff. against ammar/cal you have dampening mods, against gal you have percision mods. Oh of course if yo focus on eHP then Ewar will look broken and OP especially since your not using the Ewar mods to counter the people that are using it.