I posted this in Feedback but it seems like more people pay attention to GD.

I won't go into a long tirade as to why red dots appearing through walls is a stupid idea. It should speak for itself. The simple fact of knowing someone's position through a wall gives such a massive advantage that in almost any other FPS game it would be considered a wallhack and thus a banable offense.

I play Scout (since 1.8 of course) and have been making use of this nonsense since before Active Scans were nerfed, and the simple fact is it's unfair. It's unfair that I can be ready to unload my clip in someone's face the milisecond they turn the corner while they have absolutely no idea I'm there because I'm a damped scout. EWar is a good premise with really shoddy execution. I can understand CCP wants Scouts to be "intel providers" or whatever, but what they've done has inadvertently pushed all slayers like myself towards Scouts because it's become a game of wallhack or be wallhacked.

My suggestion may not be easy to execute because it's probably not just changing some variable, but I really think we need to get rid of red dots appearing through walls via passive scans. Red dots should appear after you've "spotted" someone a la targeted them with your weapon and should remain visible for a few seconds thereafter, but the simple "wallhack radius of death" shouldn't exist in any FPS game. The red dots should appear only on your radar such that you can look at it occasionally, see some red dots in your radius and be advised "Ok, I know there's enemies around me but I don't know if they're above me, below me, around the corner, etc". With how it works now, I see a red dot through the wall and if he doesn't know I'm there it's 99% likely I'll kill him before he can even respond.

It's silly to have a constant free flow of information regarding enemy positions with absolutely no drawback. Get rid of the wallhacks.

Go play call of duty.

Whats so broken about investing skill points into something. Only against the FoTM chasers that have no Ewar skills is it truely effective because that cant use there mini map the way it's supposed to be used.

If you have 2 people with there Ewar skills maxed out then it depends on the drop suit they use, call can see far away, gal can hide, ammar can see better at close range and min gets hacking speed.

Nothing is broken about it especially when we have mods that counter all that stuff. against ammar/cal you have dampening mods, against gal you have percision mods. Oh of course if yo focus on eHP then Ewar will look broken and OP especially since your not using the Ewar mods to counter the people that are using it.

Really so a FoTM chaser that is busy skilling into the next op suit and weapon will have the time to put sp into Ewar skills, now that is a joke.

I watched all the FoTM chasers cry that their scouts were not good enough when they had no sp in Ewar at all, just like i hear people cry they can't fit stuff on there suit when they ignore fitting skills.

As for assault( ill use cal assault as example) the cal assault just got an extra high slot, now how many went with an extra eHP mod instead of an eWAR mod?

Is it the games or devs fault if a person desides to ignore Ewar mods and focus on Ehp instead. If your saying that scouts are to OP because of ewar then don't focus on Ehp.

You don't need hp when you can see everything around you. That is why scouts are so OP as you put it, because wqe can see you before you see us, so we can plan out attack better then you.

I have to say there wasnt much complain about passives scan until caladari scout was introduced. Play PC in scout and see how
important 'wallhacks' are.

E-war is fine, it's only useful if you sacrifice some of your tank, when you think about it scouts don't have much tank to begin with so that kinda balances it out. Active scanners were OP because you sacrificed nothing (beyond cpu/pg/an equipment slot) to get you're squad to see where all the enemies are.

The issue with this is that passive scans are squad shared. This suggestion (if you could get support for it) would create a dichotomy but instead of fixing e-war head on it's a bandaid that doesn't recognize the easiness or having an amarr scout run rail rifle from some far up catwalk, and then the other shotty scouts need only stay close to the 40 meter range of their buddy and shotgun whoever with impunity regardless of their own scans.

don't know about the second part but I think the first (getting below unmodded scout with fully damped assault) is possible right now

Fortunately true. Lots of scrub scouts in pubs, and even in FW, but an organized squad of good scouts is f*cking terrifying. If more people used their suits to their real potential the game really would be unplayable for everyone else.

Couple nights ago I was up against Amaterasu and a few other FA people in FW, turned a corner while flanking with some uplinks in a dragonfly. Saw 4 of them cloak and scatter after taking out a couple blueberries who had made a run for the objective. Pretty much just kissed my ass goodbye and started flinging grenades, was dead even before the second one hit the ground (F*cking dual ishukone assault SMGs... Limiting scouts to sidearms wasn't gonna save me there, lol.)

Totally fine with that, it was a risky move and I knew it. Those 4 would have shredded me anyway, and scout-scout combat is solid. The problem is that I can't use any other suit.

The days of spending even 75% of the match in my logi suit are over. Certainly no point in trying to put damps on it. There's a minimum of one person in every squad who will see me anyway, which means everyone can see me.

What drawbacks do passive scans have

Passive scans can not penetrate ground level of map.
So if you are on flat ground with one hill, away from any outpost structures, and there is Militia Heavy behind that hill, and you can not see his shape on your screen, you can not see his signature ether even if he is 5 meters from you.
Passive scanner mechanic is construct in way that allows you to detect enemy signatures behind solid walls, buildings, and plenty of materials that should interact and disrupt your 'sound detector', as you already know. If you only have range and precision to detect it, you will detect it with one exception - ground level of map - if target is behind it you will not detect his signature no matter how many modules you use or skills you have, ground level is not penetrable 'wall'.

Are you serious? That's my entire point!

It is RADAR of your DROPSUIT so it should work in 3D, it is not RADAR of spaceship that see battleground in 2D.

because I have a 360 degree aura

BS, you have 60 degree scanning range on your Dropsuit, you see redberry on your 'back' because squad-mates see them in they 60 degree angle and squad scans are shared. Stop spreading BS, you knowledge about how passive scan works is basic.

Active Scanner should still provide exact positions

It takes 3kk less SP to skill it on lvl5, so no.. you are wrong, again.

What drawbacks do passive scans have

Passive scans can not penetrate ground level of map.
So if you are on flat ground with one hill, away from any outpost structures, and there is Militia Heavy behind that hill, and you can not see his shape on your screen, you can not see his signature ether even if he is 5 meters from you.
Passive scanner mechanic is construct in way that allows you to detect enemy signatures behind solid walls, buildings, and plenty of materials that should interact and disrupt your 'sound detector', as you already know. If you only have range and precision to detect it, you will detect it with one exception - ground level of map - if target is behind it you will not detect his signature no matter how many modules you use or skills you have, ground level is not penetrable 'wall'.

Are you serious? That's my entire point!

It is RADAR of your DROPSUIT so it should work in 3D, it is not RADAR of spaceship that see battleground in 2D.

because I have a 360 degree aura

BS, you have 60 degree scanning range on your Dropsuit, you see redberry on your 'back' because squad-mates see them in they 60 degree angle and squad scans are shared. Stop spreading BS, you knowledge about how passive scan works is basic.

Active Scanner should still provide exact positions

It takes 3kk less SP to skill it on lvl5, so no.. you are wrong, again.

http://youtu.be/qqiWBB6gWXw?t=6m15s

Look at your own video once again:

- At 6:15 you are on the bridge.
- At 6:17 you see all players that is running to bridge, hold it for a second and focus on guy who is on left - he is on your radar with 2 other guys. They are far away but you can see they shape, chevron, and red dot on radar.
- At 6:18 you falling from the bridge.

From moment when you start falling from bridge(6:18 to 6:19) those 3 guys that was farthest from you, disappear from your radar, they chevrons as well. You will detect them later when you will come closer to edge of the hills.

- 6:25 they blink on you radar once again.

True magic and disappearing rabbits.. right? You played as a Heave here, so you not suppose to 'see' or detect everything on your radar - I play as a scout and I'm telling you I encounter many more situations like that, and there is something wrong with ground level of the map.

Passive scanning is showing me red-berry on radar on 60 degree - I'm mostly using Adv-Pro Gallente Scout suit. Something is f*ck up here because clearly you can see them on 180 degree(http://youtu.be/qqiWBB6gWXw?t=6m56s)

..and btw one more:
http://youtu.be/qqiWBB6gWXw?t=6m40s

Focuses on your radar in area of neutral turret, at 6:43 red berry blink near it - this bug was reported god know when, everyone that spawn 'blink' on radar, yet it was not fix, so do not try to prove me that scanning works perfectly.