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Temias Mercurial
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Posted - 2014.09.05 22:48:00 -
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Okay, if you're going to buff swarms considerably, could the price reduction for the ADS be considered once again? I wouldn't mind if were reduced to at least 120k. 323k is a tad ridiculous for a STD dropship... regardless of it being an ADS.
My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
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Temias Mercurial
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Posted - 2014.09.06 19:44:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Actually, I forgot to write the ISK reduction, we are thinking 250k ISK?
Only an approximate 70k isk cheaper? You still can't benefit from using an ADS of that price...
My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
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Temias Mercurial
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RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:05:00 -
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Finn Colman wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Stile451 wrote:The proposed changes by CCP Rattati should be enough of a change to swarms to make them viable - I will be getting far more ADS kills. I think the price of the ADS should be lower than what has been proposed - it's going to be raining ADS. bogeyman m wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:You can increase swarm speed to 60m/s or 600m/s, doesn't change the fact that a small rail dropship can hover at 200m, picking off infantry with impunity from outside swarm range. THIS Weapon range means nothing if you can't see the target until you're within 75m or less, well within any AV or turret attack range. Total bull ****, I have been killed by small rail DS from over 150m on several occasions. Quick note, the splash from rails is being removed, so anyone who is capable of doing such a thing after this change would need to have near impossible accuracy.
Saying it's nearly impossible to kill someone at 150m with a small rail turret is like saying it's impossible to kill someone at 150m with a sniper...
My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
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Temias Mercurial
Knights Of Ender
RISE of LEGION
203
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:50:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:a brackers wrote:
You try and say one good pilot has once got 36 kills meaning that all ads pilots can easily do it. Average kills per lost ship is about 10 against a competent team who knows how to change suits to av. To be profitable it currently takes not losing a ship for the entirety of three matches. This means we run at any forge or rail shots or swarm shots. The reason we kill u is we then know where you are so we use the terrain to sneak up on u and then kill u
No the reason why I get killed is because an ADS can fly far far above my tank well out of my range and dive down and shoot at me uncontested by me because I can not aim up high enough to hit you and there is little I can do to stop it, pretending you are using intricate strategy is BS. Maybe try using gunners? Maybe drive in a Heavy with A FG? Maybe get good? You act like I haven't taken Espeon and others out in 1v1 DS v Tank. A forge in a tank! What kind of ***** do you think I am? lol gimp my fit so that the ADS can easily out DPS what my gunners putting out and get wrecked anyway. Maybe get good and stop sucking in your ADS 24-0 your best really.
Why are you letting an ADS destroy your tank? Sounds like a pathetic whiner without any sense or skill in the matter...
My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
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Temias Mercurial
Knights Of Ender
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.09.08 00:35:00 -
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Soulja Ghostface wrote:Temias Mercurial wrote:Why are you letting an ADS destroy your tank? Sounds like a pathetic whiner without any sense or skill in the matter... I would like to que up fw with you while you tank and I fly ads
My point is that if a single tanker is allowing themselves to be destroyed consistently by an ADS, then they are likely not too bright and unskillful... and that's entirely their issue and has nothing to do with balance. The AV and vehicle community have just about run themselves dry on reasoning with one another. I'm getting sick of it. Real f*cking sick of it. People complain that it's "impossible" to destroy vehicles, especially an ADS, yet I find it quite effortless...
I mainly use an Incubus anyway, and hardly tank at all, and when using a tank, I know better than to allow an ADS to continually get shots on me.
Takes one to know one, and how to counter one.
I don't know how much longer I'm going to stick around with these apes constantly throwing and smearing eachother in their own sh*t...
My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
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Temias Mercurial
Knights Of Ender
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.09.08 03:34:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:BL00DFART wrote:Swarms?
Oh you mean the only weapon in the game that takes zero skill to land hits with?
The one that all the scrubs skill into because they cant learn the art of the forge gun?
Press R1, get a cookie, rinse, repeat?
I hate ADSs as much as the next guy, but swarms are the answer here?
loldust
Lol, Forges require you to spec into heavy suits, which most people are not willing.
Most people are not willing to put a measly 25,000sp to get a STD dropsuit? Wow... that's excessively stubborn.
My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
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Temias Mercurial
Knights Of Ender
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:34:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:I don't know how many times swarms have denied an ADS an area. I don't really know what the problem with the swarm and ADS balance is. Right now swarms are the BEST thing against an ADS, due to the fire and forget nature of them. Indeed. The entire point of introducing vehicle damage points was to reward AV for suppressing and driving vehicles off without necessarily killing them, though they still get WP for that (which is entirely reasonable) yet that is not enough apparently. Personally, if Swarms and AV is supposed to be able to kill a vehicle 1-on-1 and at least 50% of the time (as it appears to be the goal) then two things must happen to remain balanced: - price reductions of vehicles (primarily the ridiculous ADS hull cost, but also large turret costs, etc) - removal or a severe reduction in vehicle damage WP, since they will be getting many more destruction points more commonly if these changes are going to pass muster. so... you're saying that swarms shouldn't have a chance to kill your dropship and the gunners should be thankful for the +75s your generosity showers upon them? Funny, I don't really notice the +75s at all... I do notice the pretty flames and entertaining crash animations when the hulks hit the ground and roll over a couple red (and blue) dots. all the warpoints for hammering on vehicles means is that gunners aren't going to max out at 600 WP for a match because they spent all their time chasing YOUR ass around the map along with your two tank buddies and finally scoring kills. I don't think most gunners want the farmed warpoints more than they want to see you explode. After all, patiently watching you yo-yo back and forth to and from safety denies us the pretty flames and outraged screams.
So you're still not content when you can easily farm 2000wp just by shooting at us? Greedy little bastard aren't you? And as those war points are related to vehicle damage/destruction, that also means that you get exponentially more isk. The payout starts around 400k... and you're still not content with that?
I know for a fact that 2000wp obtained by fighting/assisting infantry does not offer the same payout as 2000wp against vehicles...
My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
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Temias Mercurial
Knights Of Ender
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.09.08 23:22:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Temias Mercurial wrote:
I know for a fact that 2000wp obtained by fighting/assisting infantry does not offer the same payout as 2000wp against vehicles...
Yeah, because the more expensive the stuff that's destroyed, the better the payout for your team. Killing two fully kitted ADS results in about a million ISK added to the pot. Here's the kicker. you have to KILL THE VEHICLE to get the payout.
Not true at all, I know you can get points just damaging vehicles...
My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
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