Change #1 would put things into a position where since the AB can still allow ADSs to out-run Swarms, any Pilot who's caught by surprise will still be able to evade, despite his failure to be aware of the situation.

In short, that wouldn't solve anything.

Dude, enough with the K/D bull crap. The only reason we have good K/D is because we don't die a lot. The reason we don't die a lot is because we flee at the first sight of danger. 500k isk isn't worth one kill.

You try and say one good pilot has once got 36 kills meaning that all ads pilots can easily do it. Average kills per lost ship is about 10 against a competent team who knows how to change suits to av. To be profitable it currently takes not losing a ship for the entirety of three matches. This means we run at any forge or rail shots or swarm shots. The reason we kill u is we then know where you are so we use the terrain to sneak up on u and then kill u

Maybe try using gunners? Maybe drive in a Heavy with A FG? Maybe get good?

I've seen Saxonmish go 80+/4, therefore his Minmatar Assault needs to be nerfed along with his ADV rail rifle since his KD is too high. Benjamin's logic.

LOL
you're stupid.

Sadly you still fail to realize that you contradict yourself often. At first it is you QQing about how ADS kill your tank, then you say you are a ADS slayer and have taken out the best of Pilots. Then you say I am a bad pilot because I want 24-0 and tell me to get good. With that logic, you can say a logistics player is bad because he went 2-4. Maybe learn about roles instead of pulling crap out of your ass and calling yourself smart?

When vehicles can be soloed my butt! 47k isk skill less swarm launcher should require a lot of effort to take down a 500k isk asset worth almost 5x the sp.

All right, I will bite. How does this happen, with numbers?

Watch the video that Tesfa and I linked to in the above posts: that video will demonstrate how and why Swarms aren't actually outrun by ADS, rather that ADSs reach their top speed quicker. The only thing to be said for Swarm/ADS speed is that the ADS can scale lock-on range quickly, but this has very little to do with the Afterburner anyway: most engagements take place at a range of about 60-80m, meaning the dropship only has to travel 100m or so to escape lock-on range. That distance is covered very quickly, usually regardless of vehicle (HAVs and LAVs both also run this distance in a very short time), which means that an ADS that runs is usually facing only the volleys launched before it runs, which is almost always two but mstill fairly often three.

Essentially, ADSs don't outrun Swarms, they outrange them (ie, get ahead of them and stay ahead until they run out of fuel) which is a key difference. With the proposed changes to swarm speed/acceleration, an ADS will almost never escape a swarm volley, because Afterburners do not increase top speed, meaning that they will get hit by two volleys and almost certainly by three.



If price shouldn't be an issue, then a much greater price drop should not be an issue. 200-300k for a fully fitted (solo) ADS is still expensive, but it would mean that pilots are not getting shafted for several battles by losing a single ship. Price not being factor cuts both ways: if price doesn't make something better, then why is it more expensive? Plain and simple, why is that question so difficult for some people to answer?

Now, tell me what can a pilot do against a lock-on, auto-tracking weapon that they cannot outrun? We have speed as an advantage, which we are losing from the proposal; we have resilience, which is essentially sufficient to survive the first two hits and give us the opportunity to react, but then we still have to absorb more damage before we even acquire our enemy and we have very little to no cover depending on the map/how well the Swarmer has positioned.

What can a pilot do if: there's nowhere to hide and we cannot escape using speed?



Tell me, what manoeuvres will help? The Swarms will still track you, they fly faster than you and then you still have an enemy to deal with who has exactly the same advantage next time (assuming you survive somehow) if you try and engage.

The radius thing doesn't seem any good either. TBH, I'm losing your faith in you. You always listen to these swarm scrubs that can't kill my shiled tanked python with their armor damaging weapon that is a skill-less fire and forget cheap weapon.

Oh you reduced the price of ADS? Who the F cares.. Now even militia swarms gonna be able to drop us out of the sky like flies.