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J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.10 07:36:00 -
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I really don't think logis are the problem these days, so i don't know where all this is coming from, but to address some of the points:
1) Remove Amarr logis sidearm slot: I'm not skilled into one, but I have to say, I'd be pretty pissed if I were. I wouldn't frak with this, Rattati. It's a nice suit that fills the roll of "combat engineer", a logi that doesn't focus on rez/rep/resupply -- would be sorry to see that option taken away. I've considered skilling into one to carry swarms or mass driver, but still do logistics. The only reason I can see removing it is that now you can do all this with the Commando class now, but still, it's nice to keep.
2) Speed reduction: No. Why? Whose complaining about how fast logis move? And further, logis need to be able to keep up with their squad; you know, the thing they are supposed to be, well, supporting? I don't see any good reason for this.
3) Remove cloak bonus: Meh. Does any logi actually run cloaks anyway? I can fit one on my Min suit, but all you are is a blurry thing with a big red arrow over your head to any scout in the area. Remove, don't remove, who cares? We got way bigger fish to fry.
4) Equipment slots: Yeah, just give all logis 3, 4 at proto for all but Amarr, if they get to keep their sidearm -- that's the tradeoff, you get a sidearm, but no 4th equipment slot.
CCP Rattati wrote:Any more smart ideas that we can slot in?
I like Jaysyn Larrisen's ideas regarding all logi EQ slots being filled, which I think is probably a pretty good guard against future slayer-logi abuse; also a logi sidearm bonus. I'd consider running a N7-A or M209, if it meant I had more room for advanced or proto EQ. But give me the option, don't just take it away. The reason logis run light weapons is to stay competitive on the battlefield, so I still want that option if I want it.
You can probably consider removing Light Weapons for heavies now, but I don't think it really matters anymore -- you'd have to be dense to run L on a heavy suit now, when the Commando bonuses to L are so much better.... but if you want to be a dummy, you should be free to do so.
If you do anything with heavies, you could probably consider adjusting CPU/PG requirements on the suits. It's way too easy to fit proto weapons/modules on an advanced suit, which I think is the source of much of the heavy qq these days. If you want to run Boundless on an advanced suit, you shouldn't be able to run complex modules either... fair's fair. Don't frak with my turn speed though, it didn't work the last time we did it.
Min Logi | aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatboy
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J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.10 07:59:00 -
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Mikey Ducati wrote:If people are so concerned with slayer logis then here's an idea: how about we remove ALL weapons from the logi dropsuit? Boom, no more "slayer" logi.
What's your point here? Those early days of 1.0 were fraking miserable for everybody but Cal logis, and you know it. No one wants to see that crap return.
The Cal logi suit was ridiculous in the amount of CPU/PG it had -- which is why I suggested that heavy be looked at, cause I suspect it might be the same problem. I've got core to 5, and cpu and engineering to 2, and I can fit just about anything I want on an Amarr heavy suit.
Min Logi | aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
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J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.10 09:25:00 -
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Mikey Ducati wrote:J4yne C0bb wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:If people are so concerned with slayer logis then here's an idea: how about we remove ALL weapons from the logi dropsuit? Boom, no more "slayer" logi. What's your point here? Those early days of 1.0 were fraking miserable for everybody but Cal logis, and you know it. No one wants to see that crap return. The Cal logi suit was ridiculous in the amount of CPU/PG it had -- which is why I suggested that heavy be looked at, cause I suspect it might be the same problem. I've got core to 5, and cpu and engineering to 2, and I can fit just about anything I want on an Amarr heavy suit. My point could be found in my post quite simply. I don't speak in riddles. If people hate the slayer logi so much...better yet for your understanding of my point...if people despise slayer logis then the weapon should be removed since its so highly frowned upon with the general discussion community that a logistics players can actually kill too. I see no problem slayer logis because I have been killed by everything in Dust before. So why does it matter that there are "slayer logis"? I like a guy who can give me reps and then drop the rep tool to pop some melons with me near the frontline. Not trying to be smart, but do you understand my point now?
Alright, fair enough, I probably came on a little strong there.
But the problem with this is game balance -- you shouldn't be able to perform those roles equally, not by way of suit stats, at any rate. Being powerful in one area should result in being deficient in another. You shouldn't be able to rez, rep, and resupply, and also murder everything that moves, and be able to tank your suit, otherwise there's no point in playing other roles, or even having them. By that same token, we may as well just remove all the medium suits except one, and let people fit it any way they want.
And if you like logis who are not afraid of the front lines, and know how to both rep and pop a cap in someone's ass, hit me up sometime, I'll roll with you :)
Min Logi | aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
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J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.10 20:15:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Guys...i might be looking for a couple hard core Logi Bro / Sis folks for the Biomassed show this weekend. I'm looking for long time varsity level nominees to help represent the community... who do you folks want me to try and get on the show? Ps... sounds like the Devs dig the show as well. I'm not exactly "varsity level", but I've been around the block a few times in my Amarr logi (major topic of the day, obviously) and I'd volunteer if I weren't working this weekend. So, I'd nominate Mortedeamor since she rocks the Amarr logi as well as anyone. (The other usual suspects would be CCL, Shayz, maybe RedBleach?)
Yeah, RedBleach LeSanglant is a good choice, if only for his excellent primer The Logi Code.
Min Logi | aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
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J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.10 20:22:00 -
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Christopher Nairn wrote:I would like to see a shield rep tool. Also I would not mind giving all logistic suits a side arm slot and removing the light weapon slot putting more focus on support than slaying.
A shield tool would be nice, to rep Cal heavies.
I don't really mind encouraging logis use a sidearm, but I just don't want to be forced to. I run either a GEK or a BK-42 on all my suits, and while it makes me more competitive firepower-wise, it does have the disadvantage of not allowing me to fit better equipment, which I think is fair. A CPU/PG reduction bonus to logis for fitting a sidearm instead of L I think is the better choice; gives people options.
Min Logi | aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
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J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
427
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Posted - 2014.07.11 01:12:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Any more smart ideas that we can slot in? How about NOT NERFING INJIECTORS WP? I was there when injectors were 40wp/revive and NOONE used them. At 25/50 wp? Being revived will be as rare as a miracle. An assist will give you the same wp as a revive, without needing to get yourself in danger/waste a equip slot/pg-cpu. With scouts having almost the same equip, better stealth, hp and speed and injectors having crap rewards logi will go extint. Have fun being drowned by people lamenting noone revive them. An increase of wp for reviving people will cause people to stop using injectors? Lol dude, just lol.
Agreed. And if I'm not mistaken, the reason no one was rezzing around that time was because injectors were broken for quite a while, not because nobody wanted the WP. You'd go out of cover to stick somebody, and futz around so much trying to either stick their body, or find where the body originally landed, so you could stick that spot in the ground, you'd get yourself smoked in the process. It became an exercise in futility, until the injectors got fixed.
EDIT: oh and...
Alaika Arbosa wrote:walmart rezzing
haha, literal lol. +1
Min Logi | aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
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