Steal? -ú0.

So how much money did CCP steal from you?

Steal? -ú0.

I don't consider choosing to pay for something of my own free will as being stolen from.

Steal? -ú0.

I don't consider choosing to pay for something of my own free will as being stolen from.

I spent $20 on AUR because I was excited for fanfest and wanted to max out LAV's asap to prepare for what comes after fanfest.

Hahahahaha.......... *crys*

Hey you paid for that nothing of your own free will, quit complaining.

And anybody who had the brains to spend $0 on dust gets a like from me. But I assume most don't mean it that way.

No, I paid for a future, which I didn't get. Stop trying to spit on people for caring enough to give CCP support before they knew they were getting ******.


Scrub.

Please show me, or the forums in general, anywhere during the purchase agreement that states that you were buying "the future"?

Please show me, or the forums in general, anywhere during the purchase agreement that states that you were buying "the future"?

Also please show us where there is definitive confirmation that Legion will not be ported to the PS4

Stop trying to spit on people for caring enough to give CCP support before they knew they were getting ******.

Scrub.

Go back, read my original post. What does it say?

Yea, it says I bought AUR to prepare for after-fanfest. What do I get instead? "Hahaha, new game instead! Cya on PC!"

Now hop off my **** scrub before I show you how far up you it can go.

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I don't think that has anything to do with you "buying the future". Nor does it have anything to do with Dust on the PS3 or the microtransactions therein.

I will say though, that to imagine Legion will come to the PS4 is pretty foolhardy. If CCP even had the slightest intent to do so, they would have mentioned it as part of the keynote. Instead, they said "PC". I think that's pretty definitive personally. Logically, also, a move to the PS4 would be unlikely, and I can go in to reasons if you like, but how about instead, we stick to the topic at hand - non-existent theft.

No, I paid for a future, which I didn't get. Stop trying to spit on people for caring enough to give CCP support before they knew they were getting ******.

Check out kickstarter sometime if you enjoy paying for some future.
You paid for vitual goods which you've had delivered, nothing else.

Excuse me, what?

I am clearly stating my reasoning for buying AUR. And now your saying that I'm... making things up?????? What am I making up exactly? My own reasonings for doing things?

We were mislead. Period. They should not of put Omega on sale when they plan to announce Dust 2.0 on a different platform. Dust continuing as a 'Low Resource Project" meant the same to most of us as if it was a doomed project, which it quite literally means until CCP can pull resources from another project back onto Dust. Which means the cancellation of another project or expansion of CCP *Not likely*

Anyone who has words of defense for CCP against me gets slammed. Get used to it scrub.

Here's how it works, buddy :)

You can buy a car to drive to the moon, but that doesn't mean the car manufacturer stole from you when you realize it isn't going to get you to the moon.

The way they work things like this out in the real world, where adults live, is by having a contract, or a buyer/seller agreement. This way buyers can protect themselves, and so can sellers by being very clear about what is being purchased and the liability therein. If you don't choose to read such things, and continue to imagine that that car, er Aurum, is going to get you to the moon, you have no one to blame but yourself. Especially when someone like me comes here and reminds you that the Aurum you bought is still just as functional as it was two weeks ago.

You lost nothing but your fantasy about what you bought. I know that hurts, but you'll get over it.

Buck up buttercup :)

Here's how it works, buddy :)

You can buy a car to drive to the moon, but that doesn't mean the car manufacturer stole from you when you realize it isn't going to get you to the moon.

The way they work things like this out in the real world, where adults live, is by having a contract, or a buyer/seller agreement. This way buyers can protect themselves, and so can sellers by being very clear about what is being purchased and the liability therein. If you don't choose to read such things, and continue to imagine that that car, er Aurum, is going to get you to the moon, you have no one to blame but yourself. Especially when someone like me comes here and reminds you that the Aurum you bought is still just as functional as it was two weeks ago.

You lost nothing but your fantasy about what you bought. I know that hurts, but you'll get over it.

Buck up buttercup :)

Oh, look. The fanboy is defending CCP with, "Hahaha, scams work scrub, CRY CRY CRY!" Lmao.

And I lost money to a lie. Relating it to a game to denounce the worth is ********. Money is money.

See, this is the point - no one lied to you (except you).

No one lied to me?

LOL

Yea, okay. And you tell me my I'm the one making up realities. PS3 LASER FOCUSED 10 YEAR PLAN FTW!!!!!!!

Ops, you made a mistake.

They said it was for Dust. Guess what? It's staying on PS3. So, uh, what? LOL

Legion is Dust, just out of beta and on PC where it belongs :)

Edit: Are you actually suggesting that you thought that CCP would develop Dust for 10 years as a PS3 exclusive?

Ops, more mistakes by you. I didn't even suggest such a thing. Stop reaching.

EvE isn't even out of beta yet. If you want to post just to post so I can farm likes then keep doing so, but this conversation got boring when I realized you have nothing honest to say.

The way they work things like this out in the real world, where adults live, is by having a contract, or a buyer/seller agreement. This way buyers can protect themselves, and so can sellers by being very clear about what is being purchased and the liability therein.

Amazing!

And that analogy you found too, I'm gonna have to ctrl-c that crap. Awesome.

But you're wrong. Not everything is so black and white.

Here's an example, in the produce business (fruits and veggies), farmers sell their product to distributors, and these distributors sell these to stores (and other distributors, for reasons), if some store owner got the notion that he could just bypass this distributor and get his stuff from the farmer for a better price, the farmer might even take the deal because farming isn't easy. But the store could never, ever do that. Why not? It's legal.

Because all distributors would stop working with him, and he would have a empty store. Distributors as a whole would be forced to stop working with the guy, because is damaging there business as a whole, even if he technically isn't breaking any laws or written agreements.

There's no law saying you have to be nice to the people who cook your food either, but I personally prefer my food spit-free, and it seems like a very small price to pay.

Sure thing, bye then.

I honestly told you that you have honestly not had any theft take place regarding CCP, Aurum or Dust. Go get your refund if you think it has. I'm sure they'll present you with the agreement that you obviously never read.


Oh, and that beta comment was just to give you a little friendly jab.

I don't disparage you for feeling upset, but feeling upset and accusing someone, or a company, of theft are two different things. One is reasonable, the other is ... not wise.

Thievery and scamming are but inches from walking hand in hand.

But I will leave you with this.

If you read back I clearly stated this a few times. It's a scam to say 10 year plan + PS3 LASER FOCUS - then sell omega boosters a week before announcing Dust is being put as a low resourced project. It's incredibly misleading and at any point they could of announced on the forums Dust was being put on low resource management - they didn't.

That, is a scam. Even if unintentional.

It is impossible, by definition, to scam accidentally. Here's the definition for reference:


scam (sk-âm) Slang
n.
A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.
tr.v. scammed, scam-+ming, scams
To defraud; swindle.


So no, yet again, you were not swindled, defrauded, scammed, lied to or stolen from. Again, CCP has obviously failed to met your expectations, but that is all. Also, certainly it's OK to be upset about that, but throwing out baseless accusations doesn't help your case. I hope it makes you feel better though.

Also, there are many other reasons that the store-farmer direct buy wouldn't work.

Oh goodness! There are?!?!? Enlighten me about what you know about the produce business! Don't leave me in suspense!

... on second thought, don't bother. You don't know what you're talking about. My store buys directly from farmers all the time, we just didn't steal any of them from our distributors.

Stolen: nothing

But spending on Aurum and packs over the last two years: 1245,- euro (1734,- dollars)

EVE over the last 8 years: probably a hole lot more

So you see whining about 20 bucks is for *****'s

your example, really has no merit relative to a microtransaction distributed over the internet with an accompanying T&C document

How so? They misled their own customers for profit, and they should suffer as a company as a result. If console gamers weren't so apathetic about this stuff, they would challenge these actions so that they could get better products from developers.

I'm sure as hell not accepting this, if they get away with it, all gamers are gonna get from them are crap products and lies. I hope everybody who's already left this game for good carries this experience with them.

A scam that the law hasn't caught up with yet is still a scam.

How have they misled anyone?

First - they have made an announcement - at Fanfest in fact.
Second - the game still runs and the microtransactions still work.
Third - the game will continue to run for some time (this is admittedly an assumption, but they haven't announced a closure)

So, you got what you paid for, and can continue to use what you paid for, and it works exactly as advertised and expected.

It's you people, who somehow thought that CCP was going to continue developing on a dead platform forever that are misleading yourselves.

How have they misled anyone?

First is wrong to even bring up - they sold more expensive booster prior to fanfest - is this not an un-honest move?

-Laaaaaaaseeeeeer FOCUSED!

-The "ten year plan", yes, it was obviously bs, but when players misinterpreted the statement to mean "on this specific console" they conveniently forgot to correct them.


-Would they have stopped development on EVE without giving players advance notice? Technically not a deception on their part, but still there is nothing stopping them from doing so, but they wouldn't if they expected to sell crap games to these people ever again. Just highlighting how little respect they have for their console-only players.

First is wrong to even bring up - they sold more expensive booster prior to fanfest - is this not an un-honest move?

So, no, it isn't being dishonest.

Does the booster function as they said it would? Is it still useful in-game as advertised?

I think you can answer your own question. Again, I understand being disappointed, but be real. Everything that you have paid for has been delivered to you. That isn't the same thing as saying that everything that you hoped for has been delivered. Clearly that isn't true.

So, no, it isn't being dishonest.


Aside - Would it be dishonest for a car manufacturer to sell you super spiffy gasoline for your car and then announce that they aren't going to be adding new features to your car, and that at some point in the future, you will have to give your car back due to the lease arrangements (which you knew would have to happen eventually)?

The english translation for that is dishonest. Personally yes i think it very much is. If you are going to soon be discontinuing a product and you sell virtual goods that are only useful in the product you are about to discontinue its misleading to start selling said goods to people especially when said goods are worth money (sorry but aurum though a fictional currancy can easily have a real world value ). So yes to me it is easily very dishonest. I think the fact that Sony has been giving refunds for purchases up to the past 90 days speaks volumes to this. If it was not dishonest business practice i doubt sony would side with the players.

Uhm, so what I'm saying and what you're saying seem to be disconnected. CCP - willingly sold more expensive boosters while knowing they were about to turn Dust514 Keynotes into Legion Keynotes and lowering the game status to low resources.

This move to boosters was done before anyone knew the game was about to meet a road that has a very high potential to lead to it's end. Many would of not made purchases based on this info.

But what's really wrong is how the omega boosters aren't normally on the market. They cost quite a bit more then the regular ones, so why did they release the more expensive boosters right before they announced everything they did at fanfest?

It's dishonest.

No, it isn't. You bought the boosters because they give you an in-game advantage. They still do. They will continue to do so until the game shutters.

Hey, you, prick who doesn't value money.

Not all of us are rich. You have no right to decide what we hold as valuable or not.

What does this have to do with anything I said?

Steal? -ú0.

I don't consider choosing to pay for something of my own free will as being stolen from.

Everything, just because you have your expectations and make assumptions, that does not make them true.
Reality is that you bought some virtual goods and those are delivered and working as promised (you saved yourself time).

Why is it so hard to understand that you just bought a (virtual) product and not invested in future development. Whatever a company does with the income they make is up to them, they could have bought a private jet for themselves if they wanted to. You buying a product from a company does not entitle you anything else besides that product, virtual or not.


As far as the refunds go from Sony, that is their default practice as a reseller to keep you as a customer while they deal with the supplier, just like most other payment services do.

This has nothing to do with why what they did was dishonest. Putting boosters on the market before announcing dust was to be down-graded in development is dishonest. They should of waited until they made the announcements - they would of sold a lot less boosters.

And that's exactly why they didn't. It's dishonest business practice. Wether or not my product work has nothing to do with the fact I bought a product under false assumptions by CCP that they 'intended' to explain in fanfest, but, ya, decided to put boosters on the market for a week then off right before fanfest.

Okay, you can have this car of mine for $50! It's totally not stolen. I have a (forged) pink slip and everything! But when the cops come by to take it back, there would be no point in turning me in, because you gave me money of your own free will.

God I LOVE suckers.... I mean customers... like you.

I think an accurate comparison would be this. Company A is starting to sink everyone in upper management knows this as a fact. Company A has started to even file for bankruptcy but at this point nothing has been cemented yet. Company A then starts a big sale of gift cards offering all gift cards at half their face value. Consumers buy these gift cards because it is a great deal and they have no idea the company has started the process to file bankruptcy. One week later the court approves said bankruptcy and the gift cards are now not even worth the plastic they are printed on. That is how many players in dust feel because of how this was handled. If Company A had advertized the gift cards as a going out of business sale reaction would be greatly different. So would the playerbases reaction.

lol. Ad Hominem FTL

Yeah yeah, "steal" is technically inaccurate,

Steal? -ú0.

I don't consider choosing to pay for something of my own free will as being stolen from.

Is it?

Buy a new car and it's ruined after 2 years, were you scammed?

I spent $150 on what I was promised to be a long-term game

Quite simply there was a breach of contract

mag stole 40 dollars from me, I bought that from the store when it was new got an extra character slot played it for 6 monthes, that never played it again, I heard it shut down 2 years later, I believe the money was stolen from me as well.

You attempt to discredit the OP has failed due to a terrible choice of analogy.

oh why's that?

also not really discrediting giving my opinion some may believe they have had their money stolen, but the end of the day I get more play value out of every dollar with dust then I get with any triple A title I buy.

dust will be around for another 2 years, and it will never be supported by it's devs again like mag, the shoe seems to fit to me.

MAG was never pitched as a long term decade-spanning product. No one from Sony or Zipper told you they were laser focused on continuing work on the PS3 while in fact worked on porting the same game to PC (oops, it has a different name so it's not the same game ) and ending that long term plan, but still happily charged you for game-currency under the impression that the long term plan was still there.

If you only bought into Dust for the lobby shooter than sure it may not feel like your money got stolen, but for all of us who were promised the meaningful sandbox connected to EVE Online, only to be told that that is actually going to be a completely separate game with a separate progression, then yeah it feels like our money (and time) was spent on nothing.