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Buster Friently Rosen Association 2222	Posted - 2014.05.07 23:03:00 - [1] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Harold Junk wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: I spent $20 on AUR because I was excited for fanfest and wanted to max out LAV's asap to prepare for what comes after fanfest. Hahahahaha.......... crys Hey you paid for that nothing of your own free will, quit complaining. And anybody who had the brains to spend $0 on dust gets a like from me. But I assume most don't mean it that way. No, I paid for a future, which I didn't get. Stop trying to spit on people for caring enough to give CCP support before they knew they were getting ******. Scrub. Please show me, or the forums in general, anywhere during the purchase agreement that states that you were buying "the future"?
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2222	Posted - 2014.05.07 23:09:00 - [2] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Buster Friently wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Harold Junk wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: I spent $20 on AUR because I was excited for fanfest and wanted to max out LAV's asap to prepare for what comes after fanfest. Hahahahaha.......... crys Hey you paid for that nothing of your own free will, quit complaining. And anybody who had the brains to spend $0 on dust gets a like from me. But I assume most don't mean it that way. No, I paid for a future, which I didn't get. Stop trying to spit on people for caring enough to give CCP support before they knew they were getting ******. Scrub. Please show me, or the forums in general, anywhere during the purchase agreement that states that you were buying "the future"? Also please show us where there is definitive confirmation that Legion will not be ported to the PS4 ?? I don't think that has anything to do with you "buying the future". Nor does it have anything to do with Dust on the PS3 or the microtransactions therein. I will say though, that to imagine Legion will come to the PS4 is pretty foolhardy. If CCP even had the slightest intent to do so, they would have mentioned it as part of the keynote. Instead, they said "PC". I think that's pretty definitive personally. Logically, also, a move to the PS4 would be unlikely, and I can go in to reasons if you like, but how about instead, we stick to the topic at hand - non-existent theft.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2222	Posted - 2014.05.07 23:11:00 - [3] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Buster Friently wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Harold Junk wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: I spent $20 on AUR because I was excited for fanfest and wanted to max out LAV's asap to prepare for what comes after fanfest. Hahahahaha.......... crys Hey you paid for that nothing of your own free will, quit complaining. And anybody who had the brains to spend $0 on dust gets a like from me. But I assume most don't mean it that way. No, I paid for a future, which I didn't get. Stop trying to spit on people for caring enough to give CCP support before they knew they were getting ****. Scrub. Please show me, or the forums in general, anywhere during the purchase agreement that states that you were buying "the future"? Go back, read my original post. What does it say? Yea, it says I bought AUR to prepare for after-fanfest. What do I get instead? "Hahaha, new game instead! Cya on PC!" Now hop off my ** scrub before I show you how far up you it can go. None of that changes anything. First off, CCP hasn't said the Dust servers would go offline, right? So, I think your Aurum will still work. Second, just because you made something up in your mind, doesn't make it reality. You know, past history doesn't predict future performance, blah blah. I also like the way you try to insult anyone who disagrees. You go for it tough guy!
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2224	Posted - 2014.05.07 23:21:00 - [4] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Excuse me, what? I am clearly stating my reasoning for buying AUR. And now your saying that I'm... making things up?????? What am I making up exactly? My own reasonings for doing things? We were mislead. Period. They should not of put Omega on sale when they plan to announce Dust 2.0 on a different platform. Dust continuing as a 'Low Resource Project" meant the same to most of us as if it was a doomed project, which it quite literally means until CCP can pull resources from another project back onto Dust. Which means the cancellation of another project or expansion of CCP Not likely Anyone who has words of defense for CCP against me gets slammed. Get used to it scrub. Here's how it works, buddy :) You can buy a car to drive to the moon, but that doesn't mean the car manufacturer stole from you when you realize it isn't going to get you to the moon. The way they work things like this out in the real world, where adults live, is by having a contract, or a buyer/seller agreement. This way buyers can protect themselves, and so can sellers by being very clear about what is being purchased and the liability therein. If you don't choose to read such things, and continue to imagine that that car, er Aurum, is going to get you to the moon, you have no one to blame but yourself. Especially when someone like me comes here and reminds you that the Aurum you bought is still just as functional as it was two weeks ago. You lost nothing but your fantasy about what you bought. I know that hurts, but you'll get over it. Buck up buttercup :)
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2224	Posted - 2014.05.07 23:24:00 - [5] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Buster Friently wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Excuse me, what? I am clearly stating my reasoning for buying AUR. And now your saying that I'm... making things up?????? What am I making up exactly? My own reasonings for doing things? We were mislead. Period. They should not of put Omega on sale when they plan to announce Dust 2.0 on a different platform. Dust continuing as a 'Low Resource Project" meant the same to most of us as if it was a doomed project, which it quite literally means until CCP can pull resources from another project back onto Dust. Which means the cancellation of another project or expansion of CCP Not likely Anyone who has words of defense for CCP against me gets slammed. Get used to it scrub. Here's how it works, buddy :) You can buy a car to drive to the moon, but that doesn't mean the car manufacturer stole from you when you realize it isn't going to get you to the moon. The way they work things like this out in the real world, where adults live, is by having a contract, or a buyer/seller agreement. This way buyers can protect themselves, and so can sellers by being very clear about what is being purchased and the liability therein. If you don't choose to read such things, and continue to imagine that that car, er Aurum, is going to get you to the moon, you have no one to blame but yourself. Especially when someone like me comes here and reminds you that the Aurum you bought is still just as functional as it was two weeks ago. You lost nothing but your fantasy about what you bought. I know that hurts, but you'll get over it. Buck up buttercup :) Oh, look. The fanboy is defending CCP with, "Hahaha, scams work scrub, CRY CRY CRY!" Lmao. lol. Ad Hominem FTL
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2224	Posted - 2014.05.07 23:25:00 - [6] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Buster Friently wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Excuse me, what? I am clearly stating my reasoning for buying AUR. And now your saying that I'm... making things up?????? What am I making up exactly? My own reasonings for doing things? We were mislead. Period. They should not of put Omega on sale when they plan to announce Dust 2.0 on a different platform. Dust continuing as a 'Low Resource Project" meant the same to most of us as if it was a doomed project, which it quite literally means until CCP can pull resources from another project back onto Dust. Which means the cancellation of another project or expansion of CCP Not likely Anyone who has words of defense for CCP against me gets slammed. Get used to it scrub. Here's how it works, buddy :) You can buy a car to drive to the moon, but that doesn't mean the car manufacturer stole from you when you realize it isn't going to get you to the moon. The way they work things like this out in the real world, where adults live, is by having a contract, or a buyer/seller agreement. This way buyers can protect themselves, and so can sellers by being very clear about what is being purchased and the liability therein. If you don't choose to read such things, and continue to imagine that that car, er Aurum, is going to get you to the moon, you have no one to blame but yourself. Especially when someone like me comes here and reminds you that the Aurum you bought is still just as functional as it was two weeks ago. You lost nothing but your fantasy about what you bought. I know that hurts, but you'll get over it. Buck up buttercup :) And I lost money to a lie. Relating it to a game to denounce the worth is ********. Money is money. See, this is the point - no one lied to you (except you).
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2224	Posted - 2014.05.07 23:28:00 - [7] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Buster Friently wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Buster Friently wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Excuse me, what? I am clearly stating my reasoning for buying AUR. And now your saying that I'm... making things up?????? What am I making up exactly? My own reasonings for doing things? We were mislead. Period. They should not of put Omega on sale when they plan to announce Dust 2.0 on a different platform. Dust continuing as a 'Low Resource Project" meant the same to most of us as if it was a doomed project, which it quite literally means until CCP can pull resources from another project back onto Dust. Which means the cancellation of another project or expansion of CCP Not likely Anyone who has words of defense for CCP against me gets slammed. Get used to it scrub. Here's how it works, buddy :) You can buy a car to drive to the moon, but that doesn't mean the car manufacturer stole from you when you realize it isn't going to get you to the moon. The way they work things like this out in the real world, where adults live, is by having a contract, or a buyer/seller agreement. This way buyers can protect themselves, and so can sellers by being very clear about what is being purchased and the liability therein. If you don't choose to read such things, and continue to imagine that that car, er Aurum, is going to get you to the moon, you have no one to blame but yourself. Especially when someone like me comes here and reminds you that the Aurum you bought is still just as functional as it was two weeks ago. You lost nothing but your fantasy about what you bought. I know that hurts, but you'll get over it. Buck up buttercup :) And I lost money to a lie. Relating it to a game to denounce the worth is ********. Money is money. See, this is the point - no one lied to you (except you). No one lied to me? LOL Yea, okay. And you tell me my I'm the one making up realities. PS3 LASER FOCUSED 10 YEAR PLAN FTW!!!!!!! They never said their 10 year plan would be on the PS3. Now come on man, even you must see they had to move on.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2226	Posted - 2014.05.07 23:31:00 - [8] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Ops, you made a mistake. They said it was for Dust. Guess what? It's staying on PS3. So, uh, what? LOL Legion is Dust, just out of beta and on PC where it belongs :) Edit: Are you actually suggesting that you thought that CCP would develop Dust for 10 years as a PS3 exclusive?
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2226	Posted - 2014.05.07 23:37:00 - [9] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Buster Friently wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ops, you made a mistake. They said it was for Dust. Guess what? It's staying on PS3. So, uh, what? LOL Legion is Dust, just out of beta and on PC where it belongs :) Edit: Are you actually suggesting that you thought that CCP would develop Dust for 10 years as a PS3 exclusive? Ops, more mistakes by you. I didn't even suggest such a thing. Stop reaching. EvE isn't even out of beta yet. If you want to post just to post so I can farm likes then keep doing so, but this conversation got boring when I realized you have nothing honest to say. Sure thing, bye then. I honestly told you that you have honestly not had any theft take place regarding CCP, Aurum or Dust. Go get your refund if you think it has. I'm sure they'll present you with the agreement that you obviously never read. Oh, and that beta comment was just to give you a little friendly jab. I don't disparage you for feeling upset, but feeling upset and accusing someone, or a company, of theft are two different things. One is reasonable, the other is ... not wise.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2226	Posted - 2014.05.07 23:44:00 - [10] - Quote Harold Junk wrote: Buster Friently wrote: The way they work things like this out in the real world, where adults live, is by having a contract, or a buyer/seller agreement. This way buyers can protect themselves, and so can sellers by being very clear about what is being purchased and the liability therein. Amazing! And that analogy you found too, I'm gonna have to ctrl-c that crap. Awesome. But you're wrong. Not everything is so black and white. Here's an example, in the produce business (fruits and veggies), farmers sell their product to distributors, and these distributors sell these to stores (and other distributors, for reasons), if some store owner got the notion that he could just bypass this distributor and get his stuff from the farmer for a better price, the farmer might even take the deal because farming isn't easy. But the store could never, ever do that. Why not? It's legal. Because all distributors would stop working with him, and he would have a empty store. Distributors as a whole would be forced to stop working with the guy, because is damaging there business as a whole, even if he technically isn't breaking any laws or written agreements. There's no law saying you have to be nice to the people who cook your food either, but I personally prefer my food spit-free, and it seems like a very small price to pay. Interesting, but flawed. First off, let me be clear - I'm nice to reasonable people, especially those working with food I'm about to eat. Second, there are laws against spitting in someone's food. Also, there are many other reasons that the store-farmer direct buy wouldn't work. That's a pretty big red herring. I will say though, that I accept what you're trying to say in principle - there's more to a transaction that what is legally agreed to, however, let's remind ourselves that when someone bought microtransactions from CCP there was a specific terms and conditions document that was presented to said buyer, and that document's purpose is to limit liability. None of that changes the fact that the OP bought microtransactional goods while thinking he was making a capital investment. That isn't CCP's fault.

Buster Friently Rosen Association 2226	Posted - 2014.05.07 23:49:00 - [11] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Buster Friently wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Buster Friently wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ops, you made a mistake. They said it was for Dust. Guess what? It's staying on PS3. So, uh, what? LOL Legion is Dust, just out of beta and on PC where it belongs :) Edit: Are you actually suggesting that you thought that CCP would develop Dust for 10 years as a PS3 exclusive? Ops, more mistakes by you. I didn't even suggest such a thing. Stop reaching. EvE isn't even out of beta yet. If you want to post just to post so I can farm likes then keep doing so, but this conversation got boring when I realized you have nothing honest to say. Sure thing, bye then. I honestly told you that you have honestly not had any theft take place regarding CCP, Aurum or Dust. Go get your refund if you think it has. I'm sure they'll present you with the agreement that you obviously never read. Oh, and that beta comment was just to give you a little friendly jab. I don't disparage you for feeling upset, but feeling upset and accusing someone, or a company, of theft are two different things. One is reasonable, the other is ... not wise. Thievery and scamming are but inches from walking hand in hand. But I will leave you with this. So now you're telling me they scammed you? sigh. No, they didn't do that either. They didn't lie, steal, or scam you. What they did was fail to meet your expectations. edited for typos.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2229	Posted - 2014.05.08 00:00:00 - [12] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: If you read back I clearly stated this a few times. It's a scam to say 10 year plan + PS3 LASER FOCUS - then sell omega boosters a week before announcing Dust is being put as a low resourced project. It's incredibly misleading and at any point they could of announced on the forums Dust was being put on low resource management - they didn't. That, is a scam. Even if unintentional. It is impossible, by definition, to scam accidentally. Here's the definition for reference: scam (sk-âm) Slang n. A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle. tr.v. scammed, scam-+ming, scams To defraud; swindle. So no, yet again, you were not swindled, defrauded, scammed, lied to or stolen from. Again, CCP has obviously failed to met your expectations, but that is all. Also, certainly it's OK to be upset about that, but throwing out baseless accusations doesn't help your case. I hope it makes you feel better though.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2231	Posted - 2014.05.08 00:33:00 - [13] - Quote Harold Junk wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Also, there are many other reasons that the store-farmer direct buy wouldn't work. Oh goodness! There are?!?!? Enlighten me about what you know about the produce business! Don't leave me in suspense! ... on second thought, don't bother. You don't know what you're talking about. My store buys directly from farmers all the time, we just didn't steal any of them from our distributors. And yet you continue to use distributors. That's kinda my implied point. You're right, my knowledge of the produce industry is indirect. I have only had in-business relations with a few companies in the produce business, and they're all distributors. But even I know that buying directly from farmers isn't going to solve a store's entire needs due to locality, seasons, volumes etc. I believe that the fact that you continue to deal with distributors speaks to this truth. So in other words, the reason you continue to use distributors is because they provide a valuable service for your store. As I mentioned in my first post, I agreed with you in principle, just not the actual validity of your example. your example, really has no merit relative to a microtransaction distributed over the internet with an accompanying T&C document. Now, that is something I know a lot about though. Your distribution example would be more relevant if we were discussing the role of Sony regarding the microtransactions, but we aren't we're discussing whether or not the OP was stolen from. Which he wasn't.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2232	Posted - 2014.05.08 00:55:00 - [14] - Quote Harold Junk wrote: Buster Friently wrote: your example, really has no merit relative to a microtransaction distributed over the internet with an accompanying T&C document How so? They misled their own customers for profit, and they should suffer as a company as a result. If console gamers weren't so apathetic about this stuff, they would challenge these actions so that they could get better products from developers. I'm sure as hell not accepting this, if they get away with it, all gamers are gonna get from them are crap products and lies. I hope everybody who's already left this game for good carries this experience with them. A scam that the law hasn't caught up with yet is still a scam. How have they misled anyone? First - they have made an announcement - at Fanfest in fact. Second - the game still runs and the microtransactions still work. Third - the game will continue to run for some time (this is admittedly an assumption, but they haven't announced a closure) So, you got what you paid for, and can continue to use what you paid for, and it works exactly as advertised and expected.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2232	Posted - 2014.05.08 01:04:00 - [15] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Harold Junk wrote: Buster Friently wrote: your example, really has no merit relative to a microtransaction distributed over the internet with an accompanying T&C document How so? They misled their own customers for profit, and they should suffer as a company as a result. If console gamers weren't so apathetic about this stuff, they would challenge these actions so that they could get better products from developers. I'm sure as hell not accepting this, if they get away with it, all gamers are gonna get from them are crap products and lies. I hope everybody who's already left this game for good carries this experience with them. A scam that the law hasn't caught up with yet is still a scam. How have they misled anyone? First - they have made an announcement - at Fanfest in fact. Second - the game still runs and the microtransactions still work. Third - the game will continue to run for some time (this is admittedly an assumption, but they haven't announced a closure) So, you got what you paid for, and can continue to use what you paid for, and it works exactly as advertised and expected. It's you people, who somehow thought that CCP was going to continue developing on a dead platform forever that are misleading yourselves. First is wrong to even bring up - they sold more expensive booster prior to fanfest - is this not an un-honest move? Does the booster function as they said it would? Is it still useful in-game as advertised? I think you can answer your own question. Again, I understand being disappointed, but be real. Everything that you have paid for has been delivered to you. That isn't the same thing as saying that everything that you hoped for has been delivered. Clearly that isn't true. So, no, it isn't being dishonest. Aside - Would it be dishonest for a car manufacturer to sell you super spiffy gasoline for your car and then announce that they aren't going to be adding new features to your car, and that at some point in the future, you will have to give your car back due to the lease arrangements (which you knew would have to happen eventually)?
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2232	Posted - 2014.05.08 01:06:00 - [16] - Quote Harold Junk wrote: Buster Friently wrote: How have they misled anyone? -Laaaaaaaseeeeeer FOCUSED! -The "ten year plan", yes, it was obviously bs, but when players misinterpreted the statement to mean "on this specific console" they conveniently forgot to correct them. -Would they have stopped development on EVE without giving players advance notice? Technically not a deception on their part, but still there is nothing stopping them from doing so, but they wouldn't if they expected to sell crap games to these people ever again. Just highlighting how little respect they have for their console-only players. Anyone who thought ten years meant PS3 exclusive is, frankly, delusional. Also, they did give you notice - at FanFest.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2232	Posted - 2014.05.08 01:09:00 - [17] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Harold Junk wrote: Buster Friently wrote: your example, really has no merit relative to a microtransaction distributed over the internet with an accompanying T&C document How so? They misled their own customers for profit, and they should suffer as a company as a result. If console gamers weren't so apathetic about this stuff, they would challenge these actions so that they could get better products from developers. I'm sure as hell not accepting this, if they get away with it, all gamers are gonna get from them are crap products and lies. I hope everybody who's already left this game for good carries this experience with them. A scam that the law hasn't caught up with yet is still a scam. How have they misled anyone? First - they have made an announcement - at Fanfest in fact. Second - the game still runs and the microtransactions still work. Third - the game will continue to run for some time (this is admittedly an assumption, but they haven't announced a closure) So, you got what you paid for, and can continue to use what you paid for, and it works exactly as advertised and expected. It's you people, who somehow thought that CCP was going to continue developing on a dead platform forever that are misleading yourselves. First is wrong to even bring up - they sold more expensive booster prior to fanfest - is this not an un-honest move? The english translation for that is dishonest. Personally yes i think it very much is. If you are going to soon be discontinuing a product and you sell virtual goods that are only useful in the product you are about to discontinue its misleading to start selling said goods to people especially when said goods are worth money (sorry but aurum though a fictional currancy can easily have a real world value ). So yes to me it is easily very dishonest. I think the fact that Sony has been giving refunds for purchases up to the past 90 days speaks volumes to this. If it was not dishonest business practice i doubt sony would side with the players. The only thing that has been announced is a stop to development. Dust, and all the products sold as accessories to Dust, still continue to function exactly as advertised. The game still functions. The Aurum and boosters still function. Honestly, they were going to have to stop development eventually.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2232	Posted - 2014.05.08 01:11:00 - [18] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Buster Friently wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Harold Junk wrote: How so? They misled their own customers for profit, and they should suffer as a company as a result. If console gamers weren't so apathetic about this stuff, they would challenge these actions so that they could get better products from developers. I'm sure as hell not accepting this, if they get away with it, all gamers are gonna get from them are crap products and lies. I hope everybody who's already left this game for good carries this experience with them. A scam that the law hasn't caught up with yet is still a scam. How have they misled anyone? First - they have made an announcement - at Fanfest in fact. Second - the game still runs and the microtransactions still work. Third - the game will continue to run for some time (this is admittedly an assumption, but they haven't announced a closure) So, you got what you paid for, and can continue to use what you paid for, and it works exactly as advertised and expected. It's you people, who somehow thought that CCP was going to continue developing on a dead platform forever that are misleading yourselves. First is wrong to even bring up - they sold more expensive booster prior to fanfest - is this not an un-honest move? Does the booster function as they said it would? Is it still useful in-game as advertised? I think you can answer your own question. Again, I understand being disappointed, but be real. Everything that you have paid for has been delivered to you. That isn't the same thing as saying that everything that you hoped for has been delivered. Clearly that isn't true. So, no, it isn't being dishonest. Aside - Would it be dishonest for a car manufacturer to sell you super spiffy gasoline for your car and then announce that they aren't going to be adding new features to your car, and that at some point in the future, you will have to give your car back due to the lease arrangements (which you knew would have to happen eventually)? Uhm, so what I'm saying and what you're saying seem to be disconnected. CCP - willingly sold more expensive boosters while knowing they were about to turn Dust514 Keynotes into Legion Keynotes and lowering the game status to low resources. This move to boosters was done before anyone knew the game was about to meet a road that has a very high potential to lead to it's end. Many would of not made purchases based on this info. But what's really wrong is how the omega boosters aren't normally on the market. They cost quite a bit more then the regular ones, so why did they release the more expensive boosters right before they announced everything they did at fanfest? It's dishonest. No, it isn't. You bought the boosters because they give you an in-game advantage. They still do. They will continue to do so until the game shutters.