So I sit here and say "you can beat a cal scout who sacrifices 4 module slotsand has a bonus dedicated to scanning, by using 3 module slots and the manditory cloak on a non-bonused suit"

and you think... "man that non-bonused suit is really sacrificing."

You do see the disconnect there right?

I dunno, sounds like whining to me; Joel II X was just pointing out that the Cal scout suit is not without its merits.

But in any case, they're evensies, because:

Gallente
35db [base profile] * .9 [10% level 5 dampening bonus] * .75 [25% level 5 suit bonus] * .75 [25% complex dampener bonus] * .75 [second dampener] = 14db (rounding up from 13.23)

40db [base precision] * .9 [10% level 5 precision bonus] * .8 [20% complex precision enhancer bonus] * .8 [second PE] = 24db (rounding up from 23.04)

Caldari
35db [base profile] * .9 [10% level 5 dampening bonus] * .75 [25% complex dampener bonus] * .75 [second dampener] = 14db (rounding up from 13.23) = 18db (rounding up from 17.72)

40db [base precision] * .9 [10% level 5 precision bonus] * .75 [25% level 5 suit bonus] * .8 [20% complex precision enhancer bonus] * .8 [second PE] = 18db (rounding up from 17.28)

So, assuming max skills and equal number of relevant modules, both suits are invisible to each other. And since, as Joel II X and many others have recently pointed out, not every Gal scout and Cal scout are fit the same or even necessarily for EWAR (brick scouts, anyone?), the battlefield conditions are even more varied.

That's how it works: you gotta hope that your strategy, as applied to a given battlefield situation, trumps your enemy's more than their's is likely to trump yours. That's the whole point of the fitting system, and it's where actual gameplay skills factor into the equation.

Yes, I know those numbers. Doesn't change the fact that you're whining.

The Gallente suit is specialized to counter your suit. If you take that away, we'll only have the armor reps that barely help in actual combat.

You can't scan us, and we can't scan you (unless we use precision enhancers and you don't use profile dampners). Seems pretty fair to me.

God forbid your suit gets an actual counter

I don't really see a balance in this, is the gal supposed to be unstoppable with dampening?
I'm to tired to do maths, and I kinda been not paying much attention to exact numbers since the 1.8 changes, all I know is gal scout an two damps trumps my cal.

Sure it's fine if you got backup but shouldn't cal see all? To me gal gets 4 bonuses
Range
Reps
Damps
And the ability to be a ghosts

The passive abilitys cancel one another out an because of percision mods being 20% and damps being 25% and stacking plus cloaks a gal is always gonna hide and kill us.

Is this right ? Should enhances be equal?

Stfu troll I'm not whining and I have both suits, I'm askin what people think!

IDIOT STICK I HAVE ALL 4 PROTO SCOUTS SUITS SO WHY THE FAK WOULD I WHINE WHEN I CAN JUST CHANGE SUITS!

It's a friggen debat and simple question an u got ur panties in a knot thinking I'm crying nerf cuz ur a bloody troll trying to crush a perfectly good question about enhancer mods vrs damps since you only need 1 comp mod and a active cloak to be invincible.
And I have both so being a jerk for no reason is bloody childish, now if I didn't have a gal suit than maybe, but it's ok bro we kno u like ur crutch it's cool!

IDIOT STICK I HAVE ALL 4 PROTO SCOUTS SUITS SO WHY THE FAK WOULD I WHINE WHEN I CAN JUST CHANGE SUITS!

It's a friggen debat and simple question an u got ur panties in a knot thinking I'm crying nerf cuz ur a bloody troll trying to crush a perfectly good question about enhancer mods vrs damps since you only need 1 comp mod and a active cloak to be invincible.
And I have both so being a jerk for no reason is bloody childish, now if I didn't have a gal suit than maybe, but it's ok bro we kno u like ur crutch it's cool!

I debated my part, and then you get mad and start twisting your nipples.

If you got all four suits, then you shouldn't really be complaining. Lol

Yes, I know those numbers. Doesn't change the fact that you're whining.

The Gallente suit is specialized to counter your suit. If you take that away, we'll only have the armor reps that barely help in actual combat.

You can't scan us, and we can't scan you (unless we use precision enhancers and you don't use profile dampners). Seems pretty fair to me.

God forbid your suit gets an actual counter

If you have all 4 suits then you should know that the gal Scout is the Better Assault and Cal Scout is the better support and Hunter...

If you have all 4 suits then you should know that the gal Scout is the Better Assault and Cal Scout is the better support and Hunter...

IDIOT STICK I HAVE ALL 4 PROTO SCOUTS SUITS SO WHY THE FAK WOULD I WHINE WHEN I CAN JUST CHANGE SUITS!

It's a friggen debat and simple question an u got ur panties in a knot thinking I'm crying nerf cuz ur a bloody troll trying to crush a perfectly good question about enhancer mods vrs damps since you only need 1 comp mod and a active cloak to be invincible.
And I have both so being a jerk for no reason is bloody childish, now if I didn't have a gal suit than maybe, but it's ok bro we kno u like ur crutch it's cool!

My bad, brosaphine--by all means, please show me your numbers. Graphs don't do the trick for me--I'm not really a visual learner.

Last I checked, damps and enhancers don't receive stacking penalties--at least, their descriptions don't say so (like they do for damage mods, shield hardeners, etc.). Stacking penalties or no, it works out the same--the suits are mutually invisible to each other.

Dmg mods aren't worth the CPU/PG anymore.

Extenders and plates are not to be put on scouts.

All scouts get enough damp to hide from advanced scanners and with max passive skills you go all the way down to 31.5 iirc, so there is no reason to run damps unless you wanna hide from a complex scanner(good luck finding those anymore) or a Cal scout.

A cal scout's precision is 26.3 with max skills iirc(assuming he has a base db of 40 like the other scouts and has his passive skills to max, which if they aren't then you shouldn't be running scout anyway)

So a cal scout can see all scouts(except gal) mediums and heavies with no mods(assuming no one is running damps)

and all other scouts can see mediums and heavies(unless they run a damp or 2)

So the Cal scouts bonus is always active and gets to see basically everyone and the Gals bonus is good for hiding from Proto scanners and Cal scouts...that's it...

You and Joel dating yet?

Dmg mods aren't worth the CPU/PG anymore.

Extenders and plates are not to be put on scouts.

All scouts get enough damp to hide from advanced scanners and with max passive skills you go all the way down to 31.5 iirc, so there is no reason to run damps unless you wanna hide from a complex scanner(good luck finding those anymore) or a Cal scout.

A cal scout's precision is 26.3 with max skills iirc(assuming he has a base db of 40 like the other scouts and has his passive skills to max, which if they aren't then you shouldn't be running scout anyway)

So a cal scout can see all scouts(except gal) mediums and heavies with no mods(assuming no one is running damps)

and all other scouts can see mediums and heavies(unless they run a damp or 2)

So the Cal scouts bonus is always active and gets to see basically everyone and the Gals bonus is good for hiding from Proto scanners and Cal scouts...that's it...

It's not sacrificing anything, proto cloak and a caldari needs 3 percision enh how is that equal? Every scout runs cloak so a gal right there wins, it has 6 slots to fill, a cal lost 3, a gal puts on 1 damp and a active cloak and he's gone off radar.

No, Cal shouldn't see it all.

Being unscannable doesn't mean you know where the enemies are, your bonus is still a great advantage.
Plus, your caldari scout can use dampeners and range amps without sacrificing tank, also kincats.

If you consider our reps a bonus, then your natural shield regen is a bonus too.

Not trolling :

4 PE on a Cal scout picks up a 3 PD Gal Scout
but 4 PE Doesn't pick up a 4 PD Gal Scout... Not just saying stuff.. I run PE in my Cal Scout, tested it against 3/4 PD gal scout... When it comes to Gal Scout with 4 PD... Only our eyes can save us... But a 4 PD gal scout won't be that hard to kill once spotted, it won't be brick tanked...

Please enlighten us on the statement above, How does a cal scout do Proper scouting without sacrificing Tank?!