I don't really see a balance in this, is the gal supposed to be unstoppable with dampening?
I'm to tired to do maths, and I kinda been not paying much attention to exact numbers since the 1.8 changes, all I know is gal scout an two damps trumps my cal.

Sure it's fine if you got backup but shouldn't cal see all? To me gal gets 4 bonuses
Range
Reps
Damps
And the ability to be a ghosts

The passive abilitys cancel one another out an because of percision mods being 20% and damps being 25% and stacking plus cloaks a gal is always gonna hide and kill us.

Is this right ? Should enhances be equal?

It's the only suit capable of beating your scans. Quit your whining.

Caldari Scout gets:

-enhanced shielding with quick shield regen
-scan as well
-high precision
-can also be ghosts

Just because your natural enemy chose to go under your radar doesn't mean you should whine about it.

Equip CPX Precision Mods. Chances are, most Gallente Scouts are armor tanking, not dampning. I'll still get under your radar, but that doesn't mean others will. Just use your eyes. Eyes are OP.

Yeah, you only have to not run kincats,cardio, range amps or hacking mods to do it!

Lows are a scouts blood, if someone wants to disappear it's going to cost them somewhere else. Gallente can do it easier, but it still doesn't mean we aren't gimping ourselves in someway.

Not to mention that no other scout besides the Caldari can get crazy high scan precision.

NO. This is completely wrong. Don't go saying this stuff if you haven't done the math.

A gallente scout (all relevant skills maxed) with 1 complex PD and 1 enhanced PD will evade absolutely all possible scans. When cloaked, 1 enhanced dampener will have the same effect.

That being said, I think precision and dampening mods should have the same efficacy. Due to the way the profile/precision mechanics work, one has to ultimately beat the other, and I think dampening should stay in that position.

I dunno, sounds like whining to me; Joel II X was just pointing out that the Cal scout suit is not without its merits.

But in any case, they're evensies, because:

Gallente
35db [base profile] * .9 [10% level 5 dampening bonus] * .75 [25% level 5 suit bonus] * .75 [25% complex dampener bonus] * .75 [second dampener] = 14db (rounding up from 13.23)

40db [base precision] * .9 [10% level 5 precision bonus] * .8 [20% complex precision enhancer bonus] * .8 [second PE] = 24db (rounding up from 23.04)

Caldari
35db [base profile] * .9 [10% level 5 dampening bonus] * .75 [25% complex dampener bonus] * .75 [second dampener] = 14db (rounding up from 13.23) = 18db (rounding up from 17.72)

40db [base precision] * .9 [10% level 5 precision bonus] * .75 [25% level 5 suit bonus] * .8 [20% complex precision enhancer bonus] * .8 [second PE] = 18db (rounding up from 17.28)

So, assuming max skills and equal number of relevant modules, both suits are invisible to each other. And since, as Joel II X and many others have recently pointed out, not every Gal scout and Cal scout are fit the same or even necessarily for EWAR (brick scouts, anyone?), the battlefield conditions are even more varied.

That's how it works: you gotta hope that your strategy, as applied to a given battlefield situation, trumps your enemy's more than their's is likely to trump yours. That's the whole point of the fitting system, and it's where actual gameplay skills factor into the equation.

Isn't that the cloaks problem then? I'd be fine if they got rid of it honestly.

You can see everything and anything with or without a single mod. Once you put 1 or 2 you can spot everything except gal scouts or other scouts who have to sacrifice valuable low slots just to get away from you built in passive scans. Being able to see everyone at all times is better then hiding. Why? Because nobody runs scanners anymore and most scouts(besides Cal) don't bother with precision mods. Mediums or heavies will never, ever be able to see you.

The high slot has 1 valuable mod for scouts, precision. Your not really "sacrificing" anything to run them.

My bad, brosaphine--by all means, please show me your numbers. Graphs don't do the trick for me--I'm not really a visual learner.

Last I checked, damps and enhancers don't receive stacking penalties--at least, their descriptions don't say so (like they do for damage mods, shield hardeners, etc.). Stacking penalties or no, it works out the same--the suits are mutually invisible to each other.

Dmg mods aren't worth the CPU/PG anymore.

Extenders and plates are not to be put on scouts.

All scouts get enough damp to hide from advanced scanners and with max passive skills you go all the way down to 31.5 iirc, so there is no reason to run damps unless you wanna hide from a complex scanner(good luck finding those anymore) or a Cal scout.

A cal scout's precision is 26.3 with max skills iirc(assuming he has a base db of 40 like the other scouts and has his passive skills to max, which if they aren't then you shouldn't be running scout anyway)

So a cal scout can see all scouts(except gal) mediums and heavies with no mods(assuming no one is running damps)

and all other scouts can see mediums and heavies(unless they run a damp or 2)

So the Cal scouts bonus is always active and gets to see basically everyone and the Gals bonus is good for hiding from Proto scanners and Cal scouts...that's it...

You made no argument, just insulted me and said my math is wrong. Seriously, you never even tried to counter the fact that the Gal bonus is good for 2 things(really only 1 now) and the Cal bonus is better in general.

That's it.

I haven't checked to see if there was a reply to this, but! You are wrong sir. Without a cloak a prototype Gallente Scout is completely invisible as long as they have 2 proto profile dampeners. Only 2 and a full 4 proto precision enhancers and prototype caldari scout will not be able to see you. As a matter of fact, you wouldn't even be picked up by the best active scanner being used by a proto gallente logi.

WRONG.

Caldari with 4 complex precision enhancers= -6 db (negative) Precision
Gallente with 1 complex dampener and cloak= 5.25 dbProfile

Correct me if you can.

First of all, its not my problem that you are taking the faster shield regen scout with the most high slots and not using any of them for shield extenders. Secondly, my point remains that all of your precision modules are to defeat the one class that you aren't meant to defeat. Why don't you accept that you can see 95% of all enemies with 1 complex precision mod and live with the fact that you may get killed by a Gal, (I use my eyes, they are OP).

And thirdly, you're argument is two sided. I can't stack more than two complex precision mods in my highs, and I will still not be able to see you if you run ONE DAMPENER cause CAL's SEE BETTER and GAL'S HIDE BETTER. JUST ACCEPT YOUR ROLE.

As a cal scout you only need 1 complex profile dampener or 0 with a cloak to evade a gallente scout running 2 precision enhancers (the max they can run) which levels the playing field. So, with 1 low slot you become invisible to everyone but your own class (or another scout gimping himself with 3-4 precision mods). I run both and can say they are extremely evenly matched.

Ok, this is a troll, right?