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NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1460	Posted - 2014.04.15 15:02:00 - [1] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: I don't really see a balance in this, is the gal supposed to be unstoppable with dampening? I'm to tired to do maths, and I kinda been not paying much attention to exact numbers since the 1.8 changes, all I know is gal scout an two damps trumps my cal. Sure it's fine if you got backup but shouldn't cal see all? To me gal gets 4 bonuses Range Reps Damps And the ability to be a ghosts The passive abilitys cancel one another out an because of percision mods being 20% and damps being 25% and stacking plus cloaks a gal is always gonna hide and kill us. Is this right ? Should enhances be equal? If you take a look at how the cal and gal scout would work without that free non-stacking-penalized complex dampening mod you would see the meta actually makes sense. By default suits have lower dampening values than precision, meaning they are hidden by default. Without the cloaky dampening bonus, 1 enhancer allows you to see an equal sized suit. 1 dampener hides you from an equal sized suit with an enhancer. So in the end, with this interplay, in order to hide from a 4 precision enhanced suit would require 4 profile dampeners, which is balanced. Actually I am not 100% sure that 4 precision enhancers would pick up a 3 dampener suit, and if not maybe the precision enhancers should get bumped to 25% rather than 20%. Not trolling : 4 PE on a Cal scout picks up a 3 PD Gal Scout but 4 PE Doesn't pick up a 4 PD Gal Scout... Not just saying stuff.. I run PE in my Cal Scout, tested it against 3/4 PD gal scout... When it comes to Gal Scout with 4 PD... Only our eyes can save us... But a 4 PD gal scout won't be that hard to kill once spotted, it won't be brick tanked...
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1460	Posted - 2014.04.15 15:29:00 - [2] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: I don't really see a balance in this, is the gal supposed to be unstoppable with dampening? I'm to tired to do maths, and I kinda been not paying much attention to exact numbers since the 1.8 changes, all I know is gal scout an two damps trumps my cal. Sure it's fine if you got backup but shouldn't cal see all? To me gal gets 4 bonuses Range Reps Damps And the ability to be a ghosts The passive abilitys cancel one another out an because of percision mods being 20% and damps being 25% and stacking plus cloaks a gal is always gonna hide and kill us. Is this right ? Should enhances be equal? If you take a look at how the cal and gal scout would work without that free non-stacking-penalized complex dampening mod you would see the meta actually makes sense. By default suits have lower dampening values than precision, meaning they are hidden by default. Without the cloaky dampening bonus, 1 enhancer allows you to see an equal sized suit. 1 dampener hides you from an equal sized suit with an enhancer. So in the end, with this interplay, in order to hide from a 4 precision enhanced suit would require 4 profile dampeners, which is balanced. Actually I am not 100% sure that 4 precision enhancers would pick up a 3 dampener suit, and if not maybe the precision enhancers should get bumped to 25% rather than 20%. Not trolling : 4 PE on a Cal scout picks up a 3 PD Gal Scout but 4 PE Doesn't pick up a 4 PD Gal Scout... Not just saying stuff.. I run PE in my Cal Scout, tested it against 3/4 PD gal scout... When it comes to Gal Scout with 4 PD... Only our eyes can save us... But a 4 PD gal scout won't be that hard to kill once spotted, it won't be brick tanked... NO. This is completely wrong. Don't go saying this stuff if you haven't done the math. A gallente scout (all relevant skills maxed) with 1 complex PD and 1 enhanced PD will evade absolutely all possible scans. When cloaked, 1 enhanced dampener will have the same effect. That being said, I think precision and dampening mods should have the same efficacy. Due to the way the profile/precision mechanics work, one has to ultimately beat the other, and I think dampening should stay in that position. I tested against my own corpmate How do you think i decided what to run in my suits?! - My cal scout with full core skills + Complex PE = picks up most regular scouts - Cal scout + Core skills + 3 Complex PE = 2 Complex damp Gal scout on minimap - Cal Scout + Core Skills + 4 PE = 3 Complex dampened gal scout I run 1-2 Complex range amplifiers on all of these suits... 4 complex gal scout can't be scanned with anything... But tbh a gal scout willing to put 4 complex dampeners wins my vote Do the math and try it out yourself... Your corpmate wont shoot you
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1460	Posted - 2014.04.15 15:35:00 - [3] - Quote Please try it yourself... Don't listen to anyone... Just try it out yourself...
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1460	Posted - 2014.04.15 15:53:00 - [4] - Quote My bad, brosaphine--by all means, please show me your numbers. Graphs don't do the trick for me--I'm not really a visual learner. Last I checked, damps and enhancers don't receive stacking penalties--at least, their descriptions don't say so (like they do for damage mods, shield hardeners, etc.). Stacking penalties or no, it works out the same--the suits are mutually invisible to each other.[/quote] Anyone who says PE and RA has stacking penalties is an Idiot or I'm blind (Cause i didn't see in in the description) LOL
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1460	Posted - 2014.04.15 15:54:00 - [5] - Quote Joel II X wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Joel II X wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Well ur saying I'm whining heres the numbers Yes, I know those numbers. Doesn't change the fact that you're whining. The Gallente suit is specialized to counter your suit. If you take that away, we'll only have the armor reps that barely help in actual combat. You can't scan us, and we can't scan you (unless we use precision enhancers and you don't use profile dampners). Seems pretty fair to me. God forbid your suit gets an actual counter IDIOT STICK I HAVE ALL 4 PROTO SCOUTS SUITS SO WHY THE FAK WOULD I WHINE WHEN I CAN JUST CHANGE SUITS! It's a friggen debat and simple question an u got ur panties in a knot thinking I'm crying nerf cuz ur a bloody troll trying to crush a perfectly good question about enhancer mods vrs damps since you only need 1 comp mod and a active cloak to be invincible. And I have both so being a jerk for no reason is bloody childish, now if I didn't have a gal suit than maybe, but it's ok bro we kno u like ur crutch it's cool! I debated my part, and then you get mad and start twisting your nipples. If you got all four suits, then you shouldn't really be complaining. Lol If you have all 4 suits then you should know that the gal Scout is the Better Assault and Cal Scout is the better support and Hunter...
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1461	Posted - 2014.04.15 15:58:00 - [6] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Joel II X wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Joel II X wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Well ur saying I'm whining heres the numbers Yes, I know those numbers. Doesn't change the fact that you're whining. The Gallente suit is specialized to counter your suit. If you take that away, we'll only have the armor reps that barely help in actual combat. You can't scan us, and we can't scan you (unless we use precision enhancers and you don't use profile dampners). Seems pretty fair to me. God forbid your suit gets an actual counter IDIOT STICK I HAVE ALL 4 PROTO SCOUTS SUITS SO WHY THE FAK WOULD I WHINE WHEN I CAN JUST CHANGE SUITS! It's a friggen debat and simple question an u got ur panties in a knot thinking I'm crying nerf cuz ur a bloody troll trying to crush a perfectly good question about enhancer mods vrs damps since you only need 1 comp mod and a active cloak to be invincible. And I have both so being a jerk for no reason is bloody childish, now if I didn't have a gal suit than maybe, but it's ok bro we kno u like ur crutch it's cool! I debated my part, and then you get mad and start twisting your nipples. If you got all four suits, then you shouldn't really be complaining. Lol If you have all 4 suits then you should know that the gal Scout is the Better Assault and Cal Scout is the better support and Hunter... You and Joel dating yet? I guess you are a plain idiot :)
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1463	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:19:00 - [7] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Dmg mods aren't worth the CPU/PG anymore. Extenders and plates are not to be put on scouts. All scouts get enough damp to hide from advanced scanners and with max passive skills you go all the way down to 31.5 iirc, so there is no reason to run damps unless you wanna hide from a complex scanner(good luck finding those anymore) or a Cal scout. A cal scout's precision is 26.3 with max skills iirc(assuming he has a base db of 40 like the other scouts and has his passive skills to max, which if they aren't then you shouldn't be running scout anyway) So a cal scout can see all scouts(except gal) mediums and heavies with no mods(assuming no one is running damps) and all other scouts can see mediums and heavies(unless they run a damp or 2) So the Cal scouts bonus is always active and gets to see basically everyone and the Gals bonus is good for hiding from Proto scanners and Cal scouts...that's it... Look, your post here is just oozing dumb. In one post you say you have the only way to fit a scout suit, and that everyone else is wrong. I don't even know where to begin other than saying that you are not interested in a conversation, just spouting your own misguided beliefs. If you don't fit a damp, then everyone who fits precision enhancers will see you (rounded to 24 dB w/ cloak, precision is alos rounded to 24dB w/ 2 complex modules) cal scout's precision is 27 (400.90.75=how to math) Just stop, you are sounding like an idiot. Do you even Scout?! Or are you one of those people who like to throw numbers without actually trying it out. I am a Proto Cal scout with all Core skills to 5 and i can fight a gal scout with 2-3 dampeners... Try it out moron...
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1463	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:21:00 - [8] - Quote JP Acuna wrote: No, Cal shouldn't see it all. Being unscannable doesn't mean you know where the enemies are, your bonus is still a great advantage. Plus, your caldari scout can use dampeners and range amps without sacrificing tank, also kincats. If you consider our reps a bonus, then your natural shield regen is a bonus too. Please enlighten us on the statement above, How does a cal scout do Proper scouting without sacrificing Tank?!
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1463	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:22:00 - [9] - Quote "#49Posted: 2014.04.15 16:17 \| Report Like DEZKA DIABLO wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Joel II X wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Joel II X wrote: [Quote=DEZKA DIABLO]Well ur saying I'm whining heres the numbers Yes, I know those numbers. Doesn't change the fact that you're whining. If you got all four suits, then you shouldn't really be complaining. Lol If you have all 4 suits then you should know that the gal Scout is the Better Assault and Cal Scout is the better support and Hunter... You and Joel dating yet? I've thought about it, but my current girlfriend would get mad Ugh You have a girlfriend ? Congradulations , what's his name?" DEZKA DIABLO
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1464	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:32:00 - [10] - Quote Aszazel wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Not trolling : 4 PE on a Cal scout picks up a 3 PD Gal Scout but 4 PE Doesn't pick up a 4 PD Gal Scout... Not just saying stuff.. I run PE in my Cal Scout, tested it against 3/4 PD gal scout... When it comes to Gal Scout with 4 PD... Only our eyes can save us... But a 4 PD gal scout won't be that hard to kill once spotted, it won't be brick tanked... Here's the thing, every suit has it's advantages, the only reason that Gal's get the attention is because we have the dampening + the lows slots for more dampening. Cal's get precision + high slots for more precision. If Gal's couldn't get below Cal's, Cal's would be THE MOST powerful suit in the game. Just because Gal's get the dampening doesn't mean they can't run into another Gal or get low enough precision to see other scouts. All of these arguments are factoring in end game stats. I have been a scout for 7 months and I still don't have complex range, dampening OR precision. Exactly... I run 3-4 PEs in my suit setup... Please tell me how many Gal scouts with 3-4 dampeners are there ?! All these crying from people is irritating... Currently almost every suit has it's counter and Every suit has some uniqueness to it... The problem is people want their Own suits to counter every other suits... You can try fitting it with adequate modules, but with modules alone it shouldn't be cal scout = gal scout or cal logi = gal logi... Then there would be no point in speccing into different suits or weapons for that matter.... Everyone would run 1 suit and 1 weapon... Stop the QQ and start the experiment...

NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1464	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:34:00 - [11] - Quote JP Acuna wrote: NAV HIV wrote: JP Acuna wrote: No, Cal shouldn't see it all. Being unscannable doesn't mean you know where the enemies are, your bonus is still a great advantage. Plus, your caldari scout can use dampeners and range amps without sacrificing tank, also kincats. If you consider our reps a bonus, then your natural shield regen is a bonus too. Please enlighten us on the statement above, How does a cal scout do Proper scouting without sacrificing Tank?! I said they can use low slots without sacrificing tank. 1 profile damp 1 RA 2-3 PE 1 or no extenders. total EHP 250-320 (Armor shield combined) Wouldn't exactly call it a tanked suit... Even starter fits have better EHP than that lol
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1464	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:35:00 - [12] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: NAV HIV wrote: "#49Posted: 2014.04.15 16:17 \| Report Like DEZKA DIABLO wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Joel II X wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Joel II X wrote: [Quote=DEZKA DIABLO]Well ur saying I'm whining heres the numbers Yes, I know those numbers. Doesn't change the fact that you're whining. If you got all four suits, then you shouldn't really be complaining. Lol If you have all 4 suits then you should know that the gal Scout is the Better Assault and Cal Scout is the better support and Hunter... You and Joel dating yet? I've thought about it, but my current girlfriend would get mad Ugh You have a girlfriend ? Congradulations , what's his name?" DEZKA DIABLO Can't afford me, besides I ll bet with how tuff you talk your trying to make up for the 3 inches you don't like to talk about, it's ok tho we u Didn't know you bend for cash... But it's ok. We are not juddemental
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1465	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:47:00 - [13] - Quote JP Acuna wrote: NAV HIV wrote: JP Acuna wrote: NAV HIV wrote: JP Acuna wrote: No, Cal shouldn't see it all. Being unscannable doesn't mean you know where the enemies are, your bonus is still a great advantage. Plus, your caldari scout can use dampeners and range amps without sacrificing tank, also kincats. If you consider our reps a bonus, then your natural shield regen is a bonus too. Please enlighten us on the statement above, How does a cal scout do Proper scouting without sacrificing Tank?! I said they can use low slots without sacrificing tank. 1 profile damp 1 RA 2-3 PE 1 or no extenders. total EHP 250-320 (Armor shield combined) Wouldn't exactly call it a tanked suit... Even starter fits have better EHP than that lol 2-3 PE is not what i had in mind. Use 1 and you already see what i see when i fit 2 complex PEs in my scout, which is a lot. Fit 2 and you see pretty much everything. Fit 3 to fight proper scouts.... Fit 4 to almost beat every other scout .... At a very cost of HP and ISK
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1466	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:50:00 - [14] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: JP Acuna wrote: Aszazel wrote: Here's the thing, every suit has it's advantages, the only reason that Gal's get the attention is because we have the dampening + the lows slots for more dampening. Cal's get precision + high slots for more precision. If Gal's couldn't get below Cal's, Cal's would be THE MOST powerful suit in the game. Just because Gal's get the dampening doesn't mean they can't run into another Gal or get low enough precision to see other scouts. That's it. The argument is not that the gal shouldn't beat the caldari suit.. it is that the gallente using 1 mod and a cloak beats the caldari using 4 mods. They are both bonused against eachother.... so this interplay is not balanced. I see what you are trying to say... But a gal scout with 1 mod and cloak doesn't beat a cal scout with 4 PE and 1 RA Before throwing numbers and your high and mighty attitude... Spec into the item, use it.. then come and run your mouth... I'm speccing into gal scout currently... Would comment on it's benefits and weaknesses once i'm completely specced into it.. till then i'll keep my opinions to myself about knowing everything about gal scouts .... My only source of actual info on gal scout comes from other proto gal scouts that i know...
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1466	Posted - 2014.04.15 17:10:00 - [15] - Quote Joel II X wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Joel II X wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: You and Joel dating yet? I've thought about it, but my current girlfriend would get mad You have a girlfriend ? Congradulations , what's his name? Her name is irrelevant. This thread went down far too quickly. Someone who complained about trolling in his own thread made a failed attempt at trolling...
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1480	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:19:00 - [16] - Quote I know this is not related directly... But Magnus, You say way too much for someone who hides behind the redline (most of the time) and keeps spamming uplinks in random areas for Blue dots to die.... Must be nice to get 1100WP and go 1-0 yet let your team get slaughtered lol... So much of Non-Moronic comments and arguments from such a great player who clearly used all the equipment and suits to comment on which one is OP and which one is not... Get rid of that tin foil hat and get yourself in the Battlefield to learn first hand To some it up, some might also say "Get Gud Scrub"