DUST Search - Cal vs gal scout

Magnus Amadeuss wrote:

DEZKA DIABLO wrote:

I don't really see a balance in this, is the gal supposed to be unstoppable with dampening?
I'm to tired to do maths, and I kinda been not paying much attention to exact numbers since the 1.8 changes, all I know is gal scout an two damps trumps my cal.

Sure it's fine if you got backup but shouldn't cal see all? To me gal gets 4 bonuses
Range
Reps
Damps
And the ability to be a ghosts

The passive abilitys cancel one another out an because of percision mods being 20% and damps being 25% and stacking plus cloaks a gal is always gonna hide and kill us.

Is this right ? Should enhances be equal?

If you take a look at how the cal and gal scout would work without that free non-stacking-penalized complex dampening mod you would see the meta actually makes sense.

By default suits have lower dampening values than precision, meaning they are hidden by default. Without the cloaky dampening bonus, 1 enhancer allows you to see an equal sized suit. 1 dampener hides you from an equal sized suit with an enhancer.

So in the end, with this interplay, in order to hide from a 4 precision enhanced suit would require 4 profile dampeners, which is balanced.

Actually I am not 100% sure that 4 precision enhancers would pick up a 3 dampener suit, and if not maybe the precision enhancers should get bumped to 25% rather than 20%.

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hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 311	Posted - 2014.04.16 01:27:00 - [121] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: I don't really see a balance in this, is the gal supposed to be unstoppable with dampening? I'm to tired to do maths, and I kinda been not paying much attention to exact numbers since the 1.8 changes, all I know is gal scout an two damps trumps my cal. Sure it's fine if you got backup but shouldn't cal see all? To me gal gets 4 bonuses Range Reps Damps And the ability to be a ghosts The passive abilitys cancel one another out an because of percision mods being 20% and damps being 25% and stacking plus cloaks a gal is always gonna hide and kill us. Is this right ? Should enhances be equal? If you take a look at how the cal and gal scout would work without that free non-stacking-penalized complex dampening mod you would see the meta actually makes sense. By default suits have lower dampening values than precision, meaning they are hidden by default. Without the cloaky dampening bonus, 1 enhancer allows you to see an equal sized suit. 1 dampener hides you from an equal sized suit with an enhancer. So in the end, with this interplay, in order to hide from a 4 precision enhanced suit would require 4 profile dampeners, which is balanced. Actually I am not 100% sure that 4 precision enhancers would pick up a 3 dampener suit, and if not maybe the precision enhancers should get bumped to 25% rather than 20%. this is how it should and would work if they got rid of bonus one the cloak.
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 280	Posted - 2014.04.16 01:47:00 - [122] - Quote Aszazel wrote: You would not need to show what the Gal would be like without the suit bonus because that is the current state of EVERY CURRENT SCOUT SUIT. I will grant you all the numbers would be fairer if all scout had a base of 40 db instead of 35. And I know that Gallenete Logi precision modules do not increase the scanner. however, the BONUS TO Gallanete Logi is 5% better scan per level WITH A SCANNER. So it would be 15db * 0.25 = 11.25 db The Gal scout had a bonus to dampening before 1.8, so you are asking to do away with a bonus to a suit cause your suit that didn't exist 4 weeks ago can't see it. The 15 DB is already taking into account the Gallente Logi bonus. Basic stats of the Duvolle Focused is 20 Gal Logi bonus reduces to 15. The Gal Scout wasn't able to tempt the FotM chasers away from abusing the Gallente Logi, and the Minmatar also shared similar scan bonuses with the Gal Scout prior to 1.8. You're the only one QQing and saying don't nerf "my suit". Everyone else is simply arguing that the EWAR game is unbalanced and in need of a redesign. Cal Scout included. Make no mistake, if the Gallente weren't able to Cloak, Profile Damp from all suits with 2xDampeners, and still have 2 highs and 2 lows to play with, I would be saying Cal Scout needs a Nerf(or more specifically Passive scanning needs nerving). The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 763	Posted - 2014.04.16 02:43:00 - [123] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: By default suits have lower dampening values than precision, meaning they are hidden by default. I'm not sure if you're just talking about scouts here or all suits. But just in case. Base stats - By default, Sentinels can see other Sentinels, Commandos can see other Commandos, and Logistics can see other Logistics. Assaults have equal profile and precision and I'm not sure what wins out if the values are equal. Do Assaults see other Assaults, or are they hidden from other Assaults? The ONLY suit is hidden from the same suit by default is the Scout suit, and that's only been since 1.8. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1480	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:19:00 - [124] - Quote I know this is not related directly... But Magnus, You say way too much for someone who hides behind the redline (most of the time) and keeps spamming uplinks in random areas for Blue dots to die.... Must be nice to get 1100WP and go 1-0 yet let your team get slaughtered lol... So much of Non-Moronic comments and arguments from such a great player who clearly used all the equipment and suits to comment on which one is OP and which one is not... Get rid of that tin foil hat and get yourself in the Battlefield to learn first hand To some it up, some might also say "Get Gud Scrub"


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