I don't really see a balance in this, is the gal supposed to be unstoppable with dampening?
I'm to tired to do maths, and I kinda been not paying much attention to exact numbers since the 1.8 changes, all I know is gal scout an two damps trumps my cal.

Sure it's fine if you got backup but shouldn't cal see all? To me gal gets 4 bonuses
Range
Reps
Damps
And the ability to be a ghosts

The passive abilitys cancel one another out an because of percision mods being 20% and damps being 25% and stacking plus cloaks a gal is always gonna hide and kill us.

Is this right ? Should enhances be equal?

It's the only suit capable of beating your scans. Quit your whining.

Caldari Scout gets:

-enhanced shielding with quick shield regen
-scan as well
-high precision
-can also be ghosts

Just because your natural enemy chose to go under your radar doesn't mean you should whine about it.

Equip CPX Precision Mods. Chances are, most Gallente Scouts are armor tanking, not dampning. I'll still get under your radar, but that doesn't mean others will. Just use your eyes. Eyes are OP.

No, the amarr and minmatar suits can also beat a maxed out caldari suit, they just need 1 cloak and 3 profile dampeners.

If you take a look at how the cal and gal scout would work without that free non-stacking-penalized complex dampening mod you would see the meta actually makes sense.

By default suits have lower dampening values than precision, meaning they are hidden by default. Without the cloaky dampening bonus, 1 enhancer allows you to see an equal sized suit. 1 dampener hides you from an equal sized suit with an enhancer.

So in the end, with this interplay, in order to hide from a 4 precision enhanced suit would require 4 profile dampeners, which is balanced.

Actually I am not 100% sure that 4 precision enhancers would pick up a 3 dampener suit, and if not maybe the precision enhancers should get bumped to 25% rather than 20%.

No, the amarr and minmatar suits can also beat a maxed out caldari suit, they just need 1 cloak and 3 profile dampeners.

It's the only suit capable of beating your scans. Quit your whining.

Caldari Scout gets:

-enhanced shielding with quick shield regen
-scan as well
-high precision
-can also be ghosts

Just because your natural enemy chose to go under your radar doesn't mean you should whine about it.

Equip CPX Precision Mods. Chances are, most Gallente Scouts are armor tanking, not dampning. I'll still get under your radar, but that doesn't mean others will. Just use your eyes. Eyes are OP.

Not trolling :

4 PE on a Cal scout picks up a 3 PD Gal Scout
but 4 PE Doesn't pick up a 4 PD Gal Scout... Not just saying stuff.. I run PE in my Cal Scout, tested it against 3/4 PD gal scout... When it comes to Gal Scout with 4 PD... Only our eyes can save us... But a 4 PD gal scout won't be that hard to kill once spotted, it won't be brick tanked...

Stfu troll I'm not whining and I have both suits, I'm askin what people think!

Yeah, you only have to not run kincats,cardio, range amps or hacking mods to do it!

Lows are a scouts blood, if someone wants to disappear it's going to cost them somewhere else. Gallente can do it easier, but it still doesn't mean we aren't gimping ourselves in someway.

Not to mention that no other scout besides the Caldari can get crazy high scan precision.

Exactly. Those suits aren't specialized in dampning, so you guys will have to sacrifice more to get under it. I don't know anyone who uses the Minmatar or the Amarr to dampen... Amarr is armor/endurance and Minmatar is speed/skirmisher.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdHRWMFFxUDVPbzZPVTdjZmNwR2loYXc&usp=drive_web&pli=1&pli=1

Obviously you have no friggen clue what your saying.
Two damps and the gal is ghost to everything, plus two armor an two shields sitting aprox 600 ehp, cal scout can't even find you with 4 enh, so where u got that from I have no clue

NO. This is completely wrong. Don't go saying this stuff if you haven't done the math.

A gallente scout (all relevant skills maxed) with 1 complex PD and 1 enhanced PD will evade absolutely all possible scans. When cloaked, 1 enhanced dampener will have the same effect.

That being said, I think precision and dampening mods should have the same efficacy. Due to the way the profile/precision mechanics work, one has to ultimately beat the other, and I think dampening should stay in that position.

What are you replying to...?

That makes no sense to my post.

NO. This is completely wrong. Don't go saying this stuff if you haven't done the math.

A gallente scout (all relevant skills maxed) with 1 complex PD and 1 enhanced PD will evade absolutely all possible scans. When cloaked, 1 enhanced dampener will have the same effect.

That being said, I think precision and dampening mods should have the same efficacy. Due to the way the profile/precision mechanics work, one has to ultimately beat the other, and I think dampening should stay in that position.

I tested against my own corpmate

How do you think i decided what to run in my suits?!

- My cal scout with full core skills + Complex PE = picks up most regular scouts
- Cal scout + Core skills + 3 Complex PE = 2 Complex damp Gal scout on minimap
- Cal Scout + Core Skills + 4 PE = 3 Complex dampened gal scout

I run 1-2 Complex range amplifiers on all of these suits...

4 complex gal scout can't be scanned with anything... But tbh a gal scout willing to put 4 complex dampeners wins my vote

Do the math and try it out yourself... Your corpmate wont shoot you

Well ur saying I'm whining heres the numbers

I don't really see a balance in this, is the gal supposed to be unstoppable with dampening?
I'm to tired to do maths, and I kinda been not paying much attention to exact numbers since the 1.8 changes, all I know is gal scout an two damps trumps my cal.

Sure it's fine if you got backup but shouldn't cal see all? To me gal gets 4 bonuses
Range
Reps
Damps
And the ability to be a ghosts

The passive abilitys cancel one another out an because of percision mods being 20% and damps being 25% and stacking plus cloaks a gal is always gonna hide and kill us.

Is this right ? Should enhances be equal?

Stfu troll I'm not whining and I have both suits, I'm askin what people think!

I dunno, sounds like whining to me; Joel II X was just pointing out that the Cal scout suit is not without its merits.

But in any case, they're evensies, because:

Gallente
35db [base profile] * .9 [10% level 5 dampening bonus] * .75 [25% level 5 suit bonus] * .75 [25% complex dampener bonus] * .75 [second dampener] = 14db (rounding up from 13.23)

40db [base precision] * .9 [10% level 5 precision bonus] * .8 [20% complex precision enhancer bonus] * .8 [second PE] = 24db (rounding up from 23.04)

Caldari
35db [base profile] * .9 [10% level 5 dampening bonus] * .75 [25% complex dampener bonus] * .75 [second dampener] = 14db (rounding up from 13.23) = 18db (rounding up from 17.72)

40db [base precision] * .9 [10% level 5 precision bonus] * .75 [25% level 5 suit bonus] * .8 [20% complex precision enhancer bonus] * .8 [second PE] = 18db (rounding up from 17.28)

So, assuming max skills and equal number of relevant modules, both suits are invisible to each other. And since, as Joel II X and many others have recently pointed out, not every Gal scout and Cal scout are fit the same or even necessarily for EWAR (brick scouts, anyone?), the battlefield conditions are even more varied.

That's how it works: you gotta hope that your strategy, as applied to a given battlefield situation, trumps your enemy's more than their's is likely to trump yours. That's the whole point of the fitting system, and it's where actual gameplay skills factor into the equation.

So I sit here and say "you can beat a cal scout who sacrifices 4 module slotsand has a bonus dedicated to scanning, by using 3 module slots and the manditory cloak on a non-bonused suit"

and you think... "man that non-bonused suit is really sacrificing."

You do see the disconnect there right?

I dunno, sounds like whining to me; Joel II X was just pointing out that the Cal scout suit is not without its merits.

But in any case, they're evensies, because:

Gallente
35db [base profile] * .9 [10% level 5 dampening bonus] * .75 [25% level 5 suit bonus] * .75 [25% complex dampener bonus] * .75 [second dampener] = 14db (rounding up from 13.23)

40db [base precision] * .9 [10% level 5 precision bonus] * .8 [20% complex precision enhancer bonus] * .8 [second PE] = 24db (rounding up from 23.04)

Caldari
35db [base profile] * .9 [10% level 5 dampening bonus] * .75 [25% complex dampener bonus] * .75 [second dampener] = 14db (rounding up from 13.23) = 18db (rounding up from 17.72)

40db [base precision] * .9 [10% level 5 precision bonus] * .75 [25% level 5 suit bonus] * .8 [20% complex precision enhancer bonus] * .8 [second PE] = 18db (rounding up from 17.28)

So, assuming max skills and equal number of relevant modules, both suits are invisible to each other. And since, as Joel II X and many others have recently pointed out, not every Gal scout and Cal scout are fit the same or even necessarily for EWAR (brick scouts, anyone?), the battlefield conditions are even more varied.

That's how it works: you gotta hope that your strategy, as applied to a given battlefield situation, trumps your enemy's more than their's is likely to trump yours. That's the whole point of the fitting system, and it's where actual gameplay skills factor into the equation.

I dunno, sounds like whining to me; Joel II X was just pointing out that the Cal scout suit is not without its merits.

But in any case, they're evensies, because:

Gallente
35db [base profile] * .9 [10% level 5 dampening bonus] * .75 [25% level 5 suit bonus] * .75 [25% complex dampener bonus] * .75 [second dampener] = 14db (rounding up from 13.23)

40db [base precision] * .9 [10% level 5 precision bonus] * .8 [20% complex precision enhancer bonus] * .8 [second PE] = 24db (rounding up from 23.04)

Caldari
35db [base profile] * .9 [10% level 5 dampening bonus] * .75 [25% complex dampener bonus] * .75 [second dampener] = 14db (rounding up from 13.23) = 18db (rounding up from 17.72)

40db [base precision] * .9 [10% level 5 precision bonus] * .75 [25% level 5 suit bonus] * .8 [20% complex precision enhancer bonus] * .8 [second PE] = 18db (rounding up from 17.28)

So, assuming max skills and equal number of relevant modules, both suits are invisible to each other. And since, as Joel II X and many others have recently pointed out, not every Gal scout and Cal scout are fit the same or even necessarily for EWAR (brick scouts, anyone?), the battlefield conditions are even more varied.

That's how it works: you gotta hope that your strategy, as applied to a given battlefield situation, trumps your enemy's more than their's is likely to trump yours. That's the whole point of the fitting system, and it's where actual gameplay skills factor into the equation.

Yes, I know those numbers. Doesn't change the fact that you're whining.

The Gallente suit is specialized to counter your suit. If you take that away, we'll only have the armor reps that barely help in actual combat.

You can't scan us, and we can't scan you (unless we use precision enhancers and you don't use profile dampners). Seems pretty fair to me.

God forbid your suit gets an actual counter