It's the only suit capable of beating your scans. Quit your whining.

Caldari Scout gets:

-enhanced shielding with quick shield regen
-scan as well
-high precision
-can also be ghosts

Just because your natural enemy chose to go under your radar doesn't mean you should whine about it.

Equip CPX Precision Mods. Chances are, most Gallente Scouts are armor tanking, not dampning. I'll still get under your radar, but that doesn't mean others will. Just use your eyes. Eyes are OP.

Exactly. Those suits aren't specialized in dampning, so you guys will have to sacrifice more to get under it. I don't know anyone who uses the Minmatar or the Amarr to dampen... Amarr is armor/endurance and Minmatar is speed/skirmisher.

What are you replying to...?

That makes no sense to my post.

I tested against my own corpmate

How do you think i decided what to run in my suits?!

- My cal scout with full core skills + Complex PE = picks up most regular scouts
- Cal scout + Core skills + 3 Complex PE = 2 Complex damp Gal scout on minimap
- Cal Scout + Core Skills + 4 PE = 3 Complex dampened gal scout

I run 1-2 Complex range amplifiers on all of these suits...

4 complex gal scout can't be scanned with anything... But tbh a gal scout willing to put 4 complex dampeners wins my vote

Do the math and try it out yourself... Your corpmate wont shoot you

Yes, I know those numbers. Doesn't change the fact that you're whining.

The Gallente suit is specialized to counter your suit. If you take that away, we'll only have the armor reps that barely help in actual combat.

You can't scan us, and we can't scan you (unless we use precision enhancers and you don't use profile dampners). Seems pretty fair to me.

God forbid your suit gets an actual counter

I dunno, sounds like whining to me; Joel II X was just pointing out that the Cal scout suit is not without its merits.

But in any case, they're evensies, because:

Gallente
35db [base profile] * .9 [10% level 5 dampening bonus] * .75 [25% level 5 suit bonus] * .75 [25% complex dampener bonus] * .75 [second dampener] = 14db (rounding up from 13.23)

40db [base precision] * .9 [10% level 5 precision bonus] * .8 [20% complex precision enhancer bonus] * .8 [second PE] = 24db (rounding up from 23.04)

Caldari
35db [base profile] * .9 [10% level 5 dampening bonus] * .75 [25% complex dampener bonus] * .75 [second dampener] = 14db (rounding up from 13.23) = 18db (rounding up from 17.72)

40db [base precision] * .9 [10% level 5 precision bonus] * .75 [25% level 5 suit bonus] * .8 [20% complex precision enhancer bonus] * .8 [second PE] = 18db (rounding up from 17.28)

So, assuming max skills and equal number of relevant modules, both suits are invisible to each other. And since, as Joel II X and many others have recently pointed out, not every Gal scout and Cal scout are fit the same or even necessarily for EWAR (brick scouts, anyone?), the battlefield conditions are even more varied.

That's how it works: you gotta hope that your strategy, as applied to a given battlefield situation, trumps your enemy's more than their's is likely to trump yours. That's the whole point of the fitting system, and it's where actual gameplay skills factor into the equation.

I debated my part, and then you get mad and start twisting your nipples.

If you got all four suits, then you shouldn't really be complaining. Lol

If you have all 4 suits then you should know that the gal Scout is the Better Assault and Cal Scout is the better support and Hunter...

Now you know how its like....

actually, it doesn't work out the same. The caldari suit could fit 4 precision enhancers, only to be countered by 1 cloak and 1 damp on a gallente scout, this of course leaves the gallente scout 3 low-slots to play with, while being perfectly immune to the caldari. Or hey, why not two dampeners and a cloak on a minmatar suit or an amarrian suit, also perfectly immune to a 4 complex precision caldari scout.

lol, you think that's balanced, that is cute. In your little scenerio, this means that while being mutually invisible, the gallente suit will have more HP, more speed, more reps, and/or more stamina than the caldari suit. balanced.....

If you do not fit 1 complex dampener on a gal suit, you are just dumb.

If you can not read a graph, numbers will do little to help you as well.

I've thought about it, but my current girlfriend would get mad

Advanced Gal scout is my primary suit, and I have never touched a cloak (seriously--I haven't even tried them). Radar invisibility worked great pre-1.8, and it still does the trick. I prefer to use my equipment slots for DUs and REs. I also devote both highs to complex PEs and two lows to complex PDs. That leaves me one low slot to play around with after EWAR tanking my suit (two, on the <1% of spawns I run proto). Oh, the places I'll go!

As you say, the cloak dampening bonus is only granted when the cloak is activated, unlike the passive PE and PD bonuses I was talking about, so it's not that great considering it requires taking the time do activate the cloak, which also entails being weaponless for the duration of its activity. I'm not a fan of cloaks, and I think the PD bonus they grant is unnecessary, but cloaks definitely have their drawbacks.

Also, it's important to remember that we've been using extreme examples--assuming max skills across the board and 2+ stacked PEs/PDs. This is not what most folks are running, and is precisely why the Cal scout is totally adequate--it has no problem finding Min or Amarr scouts, or 60%+ of the Gal scouts out there (those brick tanking hacks --JK, fit your suits how you please!).

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DEZKA DIABLO wrote:
NAV HIV wrote:
Joel II X wrote:
DEZKA DIABLO wrote:
Joel II X wrote:
[Quote=DEZKA DIABLO]Well ur saying I'm whining heres the numbers

Yes, I know those numbers. Doesn't change the fact that you're whining.



If you got all four suits, then you shouldn't really be complaining. Lol


If you have all 4 suits then you should know that the gal Scout is the Better Assault and Cal Scout is the better support and Hunter...

You and Joel dating yet?

I've thought about it, but my current girlfriend would get mad Ugh

You have a girlfriend ? Congradulations , what's his name?"

DEZKA DIABLO