Well the suit is only 57k iirc. The real reason I want to max out my Minmando is because I want the full 10% damage bonus and 25% reload bonus. The only weapons I use on my commando on a regular basis are CR/MD/SL...all of which benefit heavily from those bonuses. the 750k event SP in addition to the potential 5XXk SP next week (I think I've decided not to run a booster) will put me a good bit closer to the 1.9M SP needed to get there. SP that I will really, really struggle to save up otherwise.

I might make a proto Minmando fit just for kicks, but I can fit everything I need on my ADV suit right now. Once I get all my proto modules unlocked (damage mods, reppers, and equipment...eventually kincats) then I'll probably start needing to use a proto suit. My ADV suit has room for ADV weapons, equipment, damage mods and a PRO armor repper...which will suit me just fine for quite a while.

EDIT: I'm rather cheap too...when I feel like making ISK I run my Gallente Medic starter fit (stack 3x MLT plates rather than the two reppers that come on it) with a STD RR and R-9 Uplinks...with shield and armor passives both at 5 I have about 150 shields and ~533 armor iirc.

Total cost: 7.8k ISK. Consistently top 4 in WP. RR are still OP.

EDIT 2: If I run the MLT needle that comes on it my total cost is 2.2k ISK

They're still BS, even more so now that you can't carry enough AV grenades to kill their car. There is no infantry counter on open maps to a tanked HMG heavy rolling around in their untouchable murdermobile. They hop at at 10m- too far to RE, too close to escape- and stunlock you to death with twice your DPS and 2-3x your EHP. If, by some miracle, they miss for long enough and you headshot enough to start winning the fight, they just insta-hop back in their ******* car and nitro away. Carrying swarms or a PLC is a death sentence- sure, you may blow up their car, but they'll still get close enough to hop out and kill you, then call in a new one for anywhere from 0 to 15k thanks to BPO LAVs.

So glad you said this. It's true. Don't forget that they run with scanners on the LAV, so they can essentially have you permascanned by just buzzing by. When they see a target show up on scanner (which was supposed to be curbed by handheld active scanner nerfs), they just pop out and destroy you before driving away to safety.

Especially with AV being in the toilet has it has been lately, you don't have time to lock your SL or spool time for the PLC before you are stunlocked/dead. It's seriously garbage that AV takes time to charge/spool up/lock on by ALL vehicles/vehicle murders don't need that time. So, you have to stand there and ******* stare down the tank to lock your weapon on while it effortlessly destroys you in the process.

Give me a true, dumbfire rocket launcher and I'll show that heavy to go where the sun doesn't shine.

I have an ADV min logi with proto swarm launcher (I have prof 1) with dmg mods. I can two shot a LAV. I'm about 1 rocket away from one shotting them. The cost of the fit is 73k because I stack plates to escape all the infantry attempting to take me out when I can't shoot back. I'm looking to skill into min commando for a bit more bite against infantry.

[quote=Thang Bausch][quote=Zaaeed Massani]

Well the suit is only 57k iirc. The real reason I want to max out my Minmando is because I want the full 10% damage bonus and 25% reload bonus. The only weapons I use on my commando on a regular basis are CR/MD/SL...all of which benefit heavily from those bonuses. the 750k event SP in addition to the potential 5XXk SP next week (I think I've decided not to run a booster) will put me a good bit closer to the 1.9M SP needed to get there. SP that I will really, really struggle to save up otherwise.

I might make a proto Minmando fit just for kicks, but I can fit everything I need on my ADV suit right now. Once I get all my proto modules unlocked (damage mods, reppers, and equipment...eventually kincats) then I'll probably start needing to use a proto suit. My ADV suit has room for ADV weapons, equipment, damage mods and a PRO armor repper...which will suit me just fine for quite a while.

EDIT: I'm rather cheap too...when I feel like making ISK I run my Gallente Medic starter fit (stack 3x MLT plates rather than the two reppers that come on it) with a STD RR and R-9 Uplinks...with shield and armor passives both at 5 I have about 150 shields and ~533 armor iirc.

Total cost: 7.8k ISK. Consistently top 4 in WP. RR are still OP.

EDIT 2: If I run the MLT needle that comes on it my total cost is 2.2k ISK

It is a legitimate tactic perse', but some mechanics make it too much.

Teleporting into and out of the vehicle is one of them. There needs to be an actual animation in place for getting into and out of the various seats.

It is a legitimate tactic perse', but some mechanics make it too much.

Teleporting into and out of the vehicle is one of them. There needs to be an actual animation in place for getting into and out of the various seats.

I have said it before and will say it again, "What game uses animations?"

We need vehicle enter/exit animations!

Should have a 3 second or so engine startup when jumping into a vehicle.
Boom.

and less range for rifles so you make game fair for heavies

So glad you said this. It's true. Don't forget that they run with scanners on the LAV, so they can essentially have you permascanned by just buzzing by. When they see a target show up on scanner (which was supposed to be curbed by handheld active scanner nerfs), they just pop out and destroy you before driving away to safety.

Especially with AV being in the toilet has it has been lately, you don't have time to lock your SL or spool time for the PLC before you are stunlocked/dead. It's seriously garbage that AV takes time to charge/spool up/lock on by ALL vehicles/vehicle murders don't need that time. So, you have to stand there and ******* stare down the tank to lock your weapon on while it effortlessly destroys you in the process.

Give me a true, dumbfire rocket launcher and I'll show that heavy to go where the sun doesn't shine.

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So in short, the problem is AV not being strong enough to do its job, it is not that the heavies are using a new cheap tactic, it is because the tactic thanks to unbalanced gameplay can work so effectively now.

They're still BS, even more so now that you can't carry enough AV grenades to kill their car. There is no infantry counter on open maps to a tanked HMG heavy rolling around in their untouchable murdermobile. They hop at at 10m- too far to RE, too close to escape- and stunlock you to death with twice your DPS and 2-3x your EHP. If, by some miracle, they miss for long enough and you headshot enough to start winning the fight, they just insta-hop back in their ******* car and nitro away. Carrying swarms or a PLC is a death sentence- sure, you may blow up their car, but they'll still get close enough to hop out and kill you, then call in a new one for anywhere from 0 to 15k thanks to BPO LAVs.

We need vehicle enter/exit animations! At the very least, as a stopgap measure, make it so that you have to "hack" your way into the vehicle- stand next to it and press O for 3 seconds before getting in. The way we have it right now allows the slowest class in the game, whose extreme health and DPS is balanced by low speed, to dictate range and engage/disengage with absolute authority.

No. You are just a **** player.

Your capacity for intelligent debate is truly impressive.

Most LAV drivers in heavy suits take predictable routes, and don't run a scanner on their vehicles... all you have to do is put down about 3-4 basic proxy mines in a spot you know they will drive over, and BOOM, 245 Warpoints at least for blowing up the Heavy Delivery Jeep when he drives over it.

They're still BS, even more so now that you can't carry enough AV grenades to kill their car. There is no infantry counter on open maps to a tanked HMG heavy rolling around in their untouchable murdermobile. They hop at at 10m- too far to RE, too close to escape- and stunlock you to death with twice your DPS and 2-3x your EHP. If, by some miracle, they miss for long enough and you headshot enough to start winning the fight, they just insta-hop back in their ******* car and nitro away. Carrying swarms or a PLC is a death sentence- sure, you may blow up their car, but they'll still get close enough to hop out and kill you, then call in a new one for anywhere from 0 to 15k thanks to BPO LAVs.

We need vehicle enter/exit animations! At the very least, as a stopgap measure, make it so that you have to "hack" your way into the vehicle- stand next to it and press O for 3 seconds before getting in. The way we have it right now allows the slowest class in the game, whose extreme health and DPS is balanced by low speed, to dictate range and engage/disengage with absolute authority.

This has always been a sticking point even when AV was more substantial. It breaks immersion, and allows heavy suits, to an extent, negate a balancing aspect of their suit.