DUST Search - Driveby HMG sentinels

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Awry Barux wrote:

They're still BS, even more so now that you can't carry enough AV grenades to kill their car. There is no infantry counter on open maps to a tanked HMG heavy rolling around in their untouchable murdermobile. They hop at at 10m- too far to RE, too close to escape- and stunlock you to death with twice your DPS and 2-3x your EHP. If, by some miracle, they miss for long enough and you headshot enough to start winning the fight, they just insta-hop back in their ******* car and nitro away. Carrying swarms or a PLC is a death sentence- sure, you may blow up their car, but they'll still get close enough to hop out and kill you, then call in a new one for anywhere from 0 to 15k thanks to BPO LAVs.

We need vehicle enter/exit animations! At the very least, as a stopgap measure, make it so that you have to "hack" your way into the vehicle- stand next to it and press O for 3 seconds before getting in. The way we have it right now allows the slowest class in the game, whose extreme health and DPS is balanced by low speed, to dictate range and engage/disengage with absolute authority.

Heavies have health and Heavy Weapons
Scout have cloak and radar functions.
MEd frames have teamwork (Average speed, good firepower,decent radar functions,most equipment carried, bonuses to equipment....etc...overall, the best FITTED for teamwork)

If you are a scout,you cloak and fade away.The heavy wont be able to follow you most of hte times.
If you are a heavy you CAN win if properly fit.And some AV grenades will work vs an LAV next to your own HMG.

If you are a med frame and you are running alone, then you deserve to die.

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Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1840	Posted - 2014.04.14 20:55:00 - [1] - Quote They're still BS, even more so now that you can't carry enough AV grenades to kill their car. There is no infantry counter on open maps to a tanked HMG heavy rolling around in their untouchable murdermobile. They hop at at 10m- too far to RE, too close to escape- and stunlock you to death with twice your DPS and 2-3x your EHP. If, by some miracle, they miss for long enough and you headshot enough to start winning the fight, they just insta-hop back in their ******* car and nitro away. Carrying swarms or a PLC is a death sentence- sure, you may blow up their car, but they'll still get close enough to hop out and kill you, then call in a new one for anywhere from 0 to 15k thanks to BPO LAVs. We need vehicle enter/exit animations! At the very least, as a stopgap measure, make it so that you have to "hack" your way into the vehicle- stand next to it and press O for 3 seconds before getting in. The way we have it right now allows the slowest class in the game, whose extreme health and DPS is balanced by low speed, to dictate range and engage/disengage with absolute authority. Nerdier than thou
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4774	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:01:00 - [2] - Quote "It's a legitimate tactic" --Heavies since forever It's true though. Drive-by HMG is essentially zero risk all reward. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
KILLER EI ITE16 Inner.Hell 7	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:01:00 - [3] - Quote +1. Getting so annoyed by these heavies, I've also noticed a lot of heavies driving around and using the small rail gun turret on the back.
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4774	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:02:00 - [4] - Quote KILLER EI ITE16 wrote: +1. Getting so annoyed by these heavies, I've also noticed a lot of heavies driving around and using the small rail gun turret on the back. I'll accept death by a turret because that's what it's there for. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3930	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:07:00 - [5] - Quote It's very easy. My Jihadi Jeep dropsuit is a heavy (less chance of being shot out) and jumping out to murder a stray just feels cheap. The only reason I feel less guilty doing it is because they might just spot all the REs strapped to the hull and blow me to the moon. No.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1238	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:08:00 - [6] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: "It's a legitimate tactic" --Heavies since forever It's true though. Drive-by HMG is essentially zero risk all reward. Apart from driving into a tank. *Assassination is my thing.*
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3626	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:13:00 - [7] - Quote Drive-by Cloakmmandos aren't a problem yet? Pad your KDR correctly, young scrubs. I GÖú Kittens.
ishtellian SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 40	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:16:00 - [8] - Quote I confess to using my LAV railgun in a heavy suit, but in my defence it makes perfect sense to use my free 'skinweave' amarr suit, they have the most hp giving you time to switch seats if people shoot at you and its the only heavy suit i really have and its free. If it makes you feel any better I use a standard LAV and ADV railgun so if you blow my car up i do lose isk. My Heavy Never Dies. Logibro In training.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 925	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:17:00 - [9] - Quote KILLER EI ITE16 wrote: +1. Getting so annoyed by these heavies, I've also noticed a lot of heavies driving around and using the small rail gun turret on the back. I'll do that and I am damn sure not going to do it in a low HP suit seeing as for some reason I am totally exposed while doing so. Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it.... damn you! Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1842	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:19:00 - [10] - Quote ishtellian wrote: I confess to using my LAV railgun in a heavy suit, but in my defence it makes perfect sense to use my free 'skinweave' amarr suit, they have the most hp giving you time to switch seats if people shoot at you and its the only heavy suit i really have and its free. If it makes you feel any better I use a standard LAV and ADV railgun so if you blow my car up i do lose isk. I don't mind the LAV railgun- I can dodge that, and you're right that the heavy is the natural choice for LAV gunning. It's the HMG stunlock instagib from 10m away that gets me mad. Nerdier than thou

Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 705	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:22:00 - [11] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: "It's a legitimate tactic" --Heavies since forever It's true though. Drive-by HMG is essentially zero risk all reward. Nah. We've more been saying "it's one of the two only tactics we have". I'll admit if I see a lone man running across the field I'm almost always tempted to stop to say hello. An exit and enter animation will do wonders to make this less viable. Would also help on issues with HAVs.
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2217	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:24:00 - [12] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: "It's a legitimate tactic" --Heavies since forever It's true though. Drive-by HMG is essentially zero risk all reward. While I agree it's kinda fetching bullspit, I think the real solution to this is buffing AV. Immediately prior to the AV nerf, rolling in a Battle Segway was seriously putting your life on the line for a gamble that AV hadn't notice you yet. Even if you usually lived to exit the car before it popped, it was a one-way ticket into combat. LAVs GÇô and basic LAVs especially GÇô being easy to pop was and is the best solution to this problem. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 5066	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:26:00 - [13] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: They're still BS, even more so now that you can't carry enough AV grenades to kill their car. There is no infantry counter on open maps to a tanked HMG heavy rolling around in their untouchable murdermobile. They hop at at 10m- too far to RE, too close to escape- and stunlock you to death with twice your DPS and 2-3x your EHP. If, by some miracle, they miss for long enough and you headshot enough to start winning the fight, they just insta-hop back in their ***** car and nitro away. Carrying swarms or a PLC is a death sentence- sure, you may blow up their car, but they'll still get close enough to hop out and kill you, then call in a new one for anywhere from 0 to 15k thanks to BPO LAVs. We need vehicle enter/exit animations! At the very least, as a stopgap measure, make it so that you have to "hack" your way into the vehicle- stand next to it and press O for 3 seconds before getting in. The way we have it right now allows the slowest class in the game, whose extreme health and DPS is balanced by low speed, to dictate range and engage/disengage with absolute authority. Heavies have health. Scout have cloak and radar functions. MEd frames have teamwork (Average speed, good firepower,decent radar functions,most equipment carried, bonuses to equipment....etc...overall, the best FITTED for teamwork) If you are a scout,you cloak and fade away.The heavy wont be able to follow you most of hte times. If you are a heavy you CAN win if properly fit.And some AV grenades will work vs an LAV next to your own HMG. If you are a med frame and you are running alone, then you deserve to die.** Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4573	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:28:00 - [14] - Quote The Hop N POP! Still a classic
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 350	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:39:00 - [15] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: The Hop N POP! Still a classic Yup - exposes CCP design skills everytime "Shine bright like a diamond"
Henrietta Unknown Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 125	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:45:00 - [16] - Quote You'd still die if you hopped into a firefight. Everyone will be aiming for the driver's seat.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 722	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:46:00 - [17] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Drive-by Cloakmmandos aren't a problem yet? Pad your KDR correctly, young scrubs. And the point of the cloak would be what? If you drive a car up, everyone looks in your direction, and the cloaking creates a large distortion that is clearly visible... therefore you have a weaker version of a suit that just doesn't really make any sense? If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1844	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:48:00 - [18] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Awry Barux wrote: They're still BS, even more so now that you can't carry enough AV grenades to kill their car. There is no infantry counter on open maps to a tanked HMG heavy rolling around in their untouchable murdermobile. They hop at at 10m- too far to RE, too close to escape- and stunlock you to death with twice your DPS and 2-3x your EHP. If, by some miracle, they miss for long enough and you headshot enough to start winning the fight, they just insta-hop back in their ***** car and nitro away. Carrying swarms or a PLC is a death sentence- sure, you may blow up their car, but they'll still get close enough to hop out and kill you, then call in a new one for anywhere from 0 to 15k thanks to BPO LAVs. We need vehicle enter/exit animations! At the very least, as a stopgap measure, make it so that you have to "hack" your way into the vehicle- stand next to it and press O for 3 seconds before getting in. The way we have it right now allows the slowest class in the game, whose extreme health and DPS is balanced by low speed, to dictate range and engage/disengage with absolute authority. Heavies have health and Heavy Weapons Scout have cloak and radar functions. MEd frames have teamwork (Average speed, good firepower,decent radar functions,most equipment carried, bonuses to equipment....etc...overall, the best FITTED for teamwork) If you are a scout,you cloak and fade away.The heavy wont be able to follow you most of hte times. If you are a heavy you CAN win if properly fit.And some AV grenades will work vs an LAV next to your own HMG. If you are a med frame and you are running alone, then you deserve to die.** I call bull. For heavies, the LAVer can just use the LAV as cover for the bottom 80% of their body, which confers a massive, massive advantage in HMG fights. As a scout- cloaking is not going to save you when the LAV heavy pops out. By the time they come up on my range-boosted passive scans, it's too late to escape their speed. I would run, except the HMG stunlocks, and the LAV will always be faster. As for medium frames, I shouldn't need to explain why you shouldn't need to use teamwork to counter a tactic that requires zero teamwork. Nerdier than thou
Cinder Integ Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 172	Posted - 2014.04.14 22:00:00 - [19] - Quote Having an LAV one shotted by a triple damage mod tank. Now there's the counter to your issue Mr. OP. Trading Carrots for Isk! Come and Get em!
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 5067	Posted - 2014.04.14 22:06:00 - [20] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: I call bull. . ''For heavies, the LAVer can just use the LAV as cover for the bottom 80% of their body, which confers a massive, massive advantage in HMG fights.'' Destroying the LAV can come easier than killing the other Sentinel. AND while doing so you will heavily damage the enmy sentinel.So your''cover'' only works if the enemy Sentinel Runs around in proto LAVs.In any case,hiding BEHIND an LAV is very dangerous while facing a Sentinel ,SPECIALLY if he carries AV grenades. Example: Red Sentinel in LAV gets off and hides behind LAV. Blue Sentinel Chugs 2 AV grenades while tanking damage at Med range. Blue Sentinel Finishes LAV RED LAV explodes heavily damaging Red Sentinel, Giving Blue Sentinel the EHP Upperhand. ''As a scout- cloaking is not going to save you when the LAV heavy pops out. By the time they come up on my range-boosted passive scans, it's too late to escape their speed. I would run, except the HMG stunlocks, and the LAV will always be faster.'' IT really depends on what Sad Scout fit you might be using. If You are a Cloak-Shotgunner scout caught in the open you are dead. Same for an HP tanked one.... But a SPEED TANKED scout or an E-War focused scout like mine can easily avoid this kind of situations.So much, this hasnt happened to me even ONCE , since 1.8 hit... ''As for medium frames, I shouldn't need to explain why you shouldn't need to use teamwork to counter a tactic that requires zero teamwork.'' This is true, and i wont say you are wrong since this is my OWN argument against Vehicles.BUT even Without Teamwork , the Med frame can use several tactics and strategies to AVOID this heavy + LAV tactic. STaying in areas where manouvering an LAV is hard is one of them. Using Proximity mines in the entrances to cities , etc... is another one. I must admit the MED FRAME has the LEAST chance to survive one of these engagements, since to Kill a Sentinel, its needed another Heavy frame or a stealthy scout and MEd frames DEPEND on teamwork to drop Proto sentinels. I AM NOT against the idea proposed by OP, Like 2 seconds to get on and out of an LAV etc...jsut saying its not as big of a problem as you guys are making it to be.... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread

Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1845	Posted - 2014.04.14 22:07:00 - [21] - Quote Cinder Integ wrote: Having an LAV one shotted by a triple damage mod tank. Now there's the counter to your issue Mr. OP. Learn to read, please. I said that there is no infantry counter. I refuse to join the ranks of tankers simply to counter LAV heavies. Nerdier than thou
Vulpes Dolosus Sver true blood General Tso's Alliance 1384	Posted - 2014.04.14 22:09:00 - [22] - Quote Tanks Proxies REs ADSs Swarms Forge Not being out in the middle of nowhere alone You're not trying hard enough. Me in my ADS: 1,2
APOPHIS Xxx The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 34	Posted - 2014.04.14 22:15:00 - [23] - Quote What do expect from players like that? First they skill in to heavy suits because they are useless in any other suits. Then they realize they suck even in a fat suit so they turn to the LAV driving around and hopping out to get their kills. That's ok though. It's a good feeling when you're successful at killing them. Win or lose....I bring out the best in you!
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3457	Posted - 2014.04.14 22:19:00 - [24] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: "It's a legitimate tactic" --Heavies since forever It's true though. Drive-by HMG is essentially zero risk all reward. The counter is a tank. The outside is ruled by vehicles. If you don't have proper vehicle support you deserve to die to stupid tactics.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 98	Posted - 2014.04.14 22:31:00 - [25] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: "It's a legitimate tactic" --Heavies since forever It's true though. Drive-by HMG is essentially zero risk all reward. While I agree it's kinda fetching bullspit, I think the real solution to this is buffing AV. Immediately prior to the AV nerf, rolling in a Battle Segway was seriously putting your life on the line for a gamble that AV hadn't notice you yet. Even if you usually lived to exit the car before it popped, it was a one-way ticket into combat. LAVs GÇô and basic LAVs especially GÇô being easy to pop was and is the best solution to this problem. Yeup, two volleys from a basic SL with no bonus should take out a militia BPO and one hit from a fully speced out proto SL on a fully speced out min commando with a couple of dmg mods should also take out a militia jeep. My god, it's just a jeep and I'm throwing 6 meaty missiles at it. Have not done the math to make sure this is not the case yet, but given that I am part way to the second scenario and still need at least two volleys to take out most LAVs I encountered in the 4-5 days I ran with my new min commando AV fit, I suspect the math works out.
Powerh8er Arrogance. 410	Posted - 2014.04.14 22:34:00 - [26] - Quote Killed an Gatsun HMG heavy and his logi once upon a time with my MH-82 when they jumped out of their expensive yellow LLAV to kill me. So theres an potentially huge risk if you "drive-by" the wrong person as heavies like myself drive expensive LAVs. Te Valhall!
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4782	Posted - 2014.04.14 22:42:00 - [27] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: "It's a legitimate tactic" --Heavies since forever It's true though. Drive-by HMG is essentially zero risk all reward. The counter is a tank. The outside is ruled by vehicles. If you don't have proper vehicle support you deserve to die to stupid tactics. Oh please. You and I both know there are maps where a vehicle can driver up to any location that isn't a roof top. Yes you can avoid heavies in LAVs in most maps. Besides, it's annoying like redline snipers. Fatties in LAVs are generally just trolling around and not really contributing much. However that doesn't change the fact that hopping in and out of an LAV is way too effective of a tactic to avoid damage. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
SPACE SYPHILIS Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 108	Posted - 2014.04.14 22:49:00 - [28] - Quote Ok I am guilty more than most. Hell I may even have started that tactic back in Beta. So anyways if you can have a weapon than can out DPS mine while having range. I will use what ever tactic I can to make the fight to my advantage. Welcome to Eden now HTFU
Julius Vindice Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 341	Posted - 2014.04.14 22:58:00 - [29] - Quote Till scouts and the shotguns are nerfed I for one ain't leaving my hunting jeep, people piped "adapt or die" so here is my answer... ADAPT. Now hate me! *Julius Vindice... "Chase knowledge, not passion".* I may suck at things but at least I can make people mad.
ROMULUS H3X research lab 127	Posted - 2014.04.14 22:59:00 - [30] - Quote This is just another reason I will never put down my forge gun. FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS--NUFF SED YOU SHALL NOT CATCH ME FOR I AM THE GINGERBREAD FATMAN -Romulus H3X



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