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Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:31:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:"It's a legitimate tactic" --Heavies since forever
It's true though. Drive-by HMG is essentially zero risk all reward. While I agree it's kinda fetching bullspit, I think the real solution to this is buffing AV. Immediately prior to the AV nerf, rolling in a Battle Segway was seriously putting your life on the line for a gamble that AV hadn't notice you yet. Even if you usually lived to exit the car before it popped, it was a one-way ticket into combat. LAVs GÇô and basic LAVs especially GÇô being easy to pop was and is the best solution to this problem.
Yeup, two volleys from a basic SL with no bonus should take out a militia BPO and one hit from a fully speced out proto SL on a fully speced out min commando with a couple of dmg mods should also take out a militia jeep. My god, it's just a jeep and I'm throwing 6 meaty missiles at it. Have not done the math to make sure this is not the case yet, but given that I am part way to the second scenario and still need at least two volleys to take out most LAVs I encountered in the 4-5 days I ran with my new min commando AV fit, I suspect the math works out.
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Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:19:00 -
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Zaaeed Massani wrote:Thang Bausch wrote:
Yeup, two volleys from a basic SL with no bonus should take out a militia BPO and one hit from a fully speced out proto SL on a fully speced out min commando with a couple of dmg mods should also take out a militia jeep. My god, it's just a jeep and I'm throwing 6 meaty missiles at it. Have not done the math to make sure this is not the case yet, but given that I am part way to the second scenario and still need at least two volleys to take out most LAVs I encountered in the 4-5 days I ran with my new min commando AV fit, I suspect the math works out.
My primary fit is either a CR/MD Minmando or a CR/SL Minmando. This is my best fit right now: Commando M/1-Series BK-42 Assault Combat Rifle CBR-7 Swarm Launcher Enhanced Light Damage Modifier Enhanced Light Damage Modifier Enhanced Armor Repairer (will switch to complex once I unlock it, I have the PG/CPU for it) K-2 Nanohive I have 3 points in Minmandos for +6% damage and +15% reload speed (once we get our event SP I'll put in a 4th point for +8% and +20%, respectively). I have 3 points in SL for +9% to lock-on speed, 1 point in reload speed for +3% and 2 points in ammo for +2 ammo capacity. In total: +16% damage (before DR) +18% reload speed And I have no trouble with LAV's. Armor LAV's can be slightly more difficult than shield LAV's if the driver isn't terribad, but are still pretty easy to take out unless tanked out as hard as possible. A murder taxi actually tried to run me over earlier today and I killed him before he even got to me. Shield LAV's typically get down to just a bit of armor left after one volley. One volley from a Wiyrkomi SL should OHK them. Even though my K/D has been suffering the past few days that I've been running SL over MD, it's really a ton of fun. I've been greatly enjoying making most enemy vehicles turn tail and run...although hardened & repped blaster maddys with solid pilots can be a pain in the ass. I can't wait to get my Wiyrkomi SL and put a couple points in proficiency.
I have a similar fit, but I've speced into lvl 2 proficiency on the SL, but only one comp dmg mod and run with the Wyrkomi on my Adv suit. To be honest, i've mostly gone against tanks with that fit. LAVs haven't bothered me enough to pull me away from my Min Commando MD/LR fit (and I've only played for 4 days after 1.8 was released). Good to know that a Wyrkomi with adequate dmg specing should be able to take done a militia LAV in a single shot if all 6 missiles hit.
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Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
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Posted - 2014.04.15 10:01:00 -
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Zaaeed Massani wrote:Thang Bausch wrote:
I have a similar fit, but I've speced into lvl 2 proficiency on the SL, but only one comp dmg mod and run with the Wyrkomi on my Adv suit. To be honest, i've mostly gone against tanks with that fit. LAVs haven't bothered me enough to pull me away from my Min Commando MD/LR fit (and I've only played for 4 days after 1.8 was released). Good to know that a Wyrkomi with adequate dmg specing should be able to take done a militia LAV in a single shot if all 6 missiles hit.
Yeah after this triple SP week coming up I will probably same as much as I can to get my proto suit...and then I'm saving strictly for my proto SL =D
The extra missile is a much bigger jump than most weapons adv->proto. The wirkomi is also only 27k isk which is super cheap for a proto weapon. My adv fit runs about 57k isk which is not bad for an adv fit with a proto light weapon. I doubt I will run a proto min commando suit. The extra low slot doesn't seem worth the cost. i am not interested in running two proto weapons. My gun game is not good enough to justify a 200k suit. Then again, I rarely ran proto on my min logi suit and that had a very serious jump: 1 extra high, low, and equipment slot. I'm just too cheap, but I have over 200 mill isk to show for it. :)
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Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
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Posted - 2014.04.15 22:41:00 -
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annoys me, but I still think it is totally legit (unlike murder taxi back when a slight tap at 1 km/h would kill a heavy; that **** was cheap talentless exploitation of poor game design) |
Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
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Posted - 2014.04.24 17:43:00 -
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lee corwood wrote:Zaaeed Massani wrote:Thang Bausch wrote:Zaaeed Massani wrote:Thang Bausch wrote:
I have a similar fit, but I've speced into lvl 2 proficiency on the SL, but only one comp dmg mod and run with the Wyrkomi on my Adv suit. To be honest, i've mostly gone against tanks with that fit. LAVs haven't bothered me enough to pull me away from my Min Commando MD/LR fit (and I've only played for 4 days after 1.8 was released). Good to know that a Wyrkomi with adequate dmg specing should be able to take done a militia LAV in a single shot if all 6 missiles hit.
Yeah after this triple SP week coming up I will probably same as much as I can to get my proto suit...and then I'm saving strictly for my proto SL =D The extra missile is a much bigger jump than most weapons adv->proto. The wirkomi is also only 27k isk which is super cheap for a proto weapon. My adv fit runs about 57k isk which is not bad for an adv fit with a proto light weapon. I doubt I will run a proto min commando suit. The extra low slot doesn't seem worth the cost. i am not interested in running two proto weapons. My gun game is not good enough to justify a 200k suit. Then again, I rarely ran proto on my min logi suit and that had a very serious jump: 1 extra high, low, and equipment slot. I'm just too cheap, but I have over 200 mill isk to show for it. :) Well the suit is only 57k iirc. The real reason I want to max out my Minmando is because I want the full 10% damage bonus and 25% reload bonus. The only weapons I use on my commando on a regular basis are CR/MD/SL...all of which benefit heavily from those bonuses. the 750k event SP in addition to the potential 5XXk SP next week (I think I've decided not to run a booster) will put me a good bit closer to the 1.9M SP needed to get there. SP that I will really, really struggle to save up otherwise. I might make a proto Minmando fit just for kicks, but I can fit everything I need on my ADV suit right now. Once I get all my proto modules unlocked (damage mods, reppers, and equipment...eventually kincats) then I'll probably start needing to use a proto suit. My ADV suit has room for ADV weapons, equipment, damage mods and a PRO armor repper...which will suit me just fine for quite a while. EDIT: I'm rather cheap too...when I feel like making ISK I run my Gallente Medic starter fit (stack 3x MLT plates rather than the two reppers that come on it) with a STD RR and R-9 Uplinks...with shield and armor passives both at 5 I have about 150 shields and ~533 armor iirc. Total cost: 7.8k ISK. Consistently top 4 in WP. RR are still OP. EDIT 2: If I run the MLT needle that comes on it my total cost is 2.2k ISK  I have an ADV min logi with proto swarm launcher (I have prof 1) with dmg mods. I can two shot a LAV. I'm about 1 rocket away from one shotting them. The cost of the fit is 73k because I stack plates to escape all the infantry attempting to take me out when I can't shoot back. I'm looking to skill into min commando for a bit more bite against infantry.
The min commando is awesome because you can have the CR as your other weapon: AV and AI. The only problem is that the suit has so little eHP and so few slots, so I find I die a lot (admittedly my gun game is not great though).
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Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
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Posted - 2014.04.24 17:58:00 -
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Zaaeed Massani wrote:[quote=Thang Bausch][quote=Zaaeed Massani] Well the suit is only 57k iirc. The real reason I want to max out my Minmando is because I want the full 10% damage bonus and 25% reload bonus. The only weapons I use on my commando on a regular basis are CR/MD/SL...all of which benefit heavily from those bonuses. the 750k event SP in addition to the potential 5XXk SP next week (I think I've decided not to run a booster) will put me a good bit closer to the 1.9M SP needed to get there. SP that I will really, really struggle to save up otherwise. I might make a proto Minmando fit just for kicks, but I can fit everything I need on my ADV suit right now. Once I get all my proto modules unlocked (damage mods, reppers, and equipment...eventually kincats) then I'll probably start needing to use a proto suit. My ADV suit has room for ADV weapons, equipment, damage mods and a PRO armor repper...which will suit me just fine for quite a while. EDIT: I'm rather cheap too...when I feel like making ISK I run my Gallente Medic starter fit (stack 3x MLT plates rather than the two reppers that come on it) with a STD RR and R-9 Uplinks...with shield and armor passives both at 5 I have about 150 shields and ~533 armor iirc. Total cost: 7.8k ISK. Consistently top 4 in WP. RR are still OP. EDIT 2: If I run the MLT needle that comes on it my total cost is 2.2k ISK
I've actually been considering specing into proto for the same reason. Getting the damage bonus on both the CR and SL/MD would be awesome. And every 5% on the reload speed is big for the MD and SL (particularly the latter).
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