Militia - Standard - Advanced - Proto - T2 - T3

that but we dont have that yet !

You have convinced me to skill into damage mods on my tank character.

I wouldn't do it before because hardeners were so OP.

What would you recommend on a full proto Gunnlogi? I'm thinking an extender, hardener, and damage mod?

And swarms are a little OP against LAV's at the moment. Mostly because once a lock on is achieved there is almost nothing I can do to evade those suckers. Can't outrun them ( they will fly forever until they hit something), they can reverse direction instantly, and navigate around corners like crazy. If I'm lucky, I can kill the swarmer before he gets that second shot off, but due to the fact that the swarm explosion animation drops my frame rate to 0, this is unlikely.

It depends on my fits... my triple hardend ion cannon/particle cannon/XTmissile fits still kick ass and absorb **** loads incoming AV be it swarms forges and pic's I still haven't lost one of my triple hardend Gunnlogis so far.

but my norm 2 harder dammage mod/shield booster/ extender can't take as much AV as they did before the hot fix and i have acctually lost a few to av.

Tank on tank combat feels much the same as it still really comes down to who fires first or who's hardners/boosters are expended first.

You probably get destroyed a lot.

This statement is a lie.

Swarm Launchers cannot turn corners, and a NOS module allows you to turn the corner with ease. Perhaps you should take note of where the Swarm Launcher user is, so you know which corner to turn when he fires. It's not difficult.

You obviously never been on the receiving end of swarms. I've turned 90' corners and had a whole flight of swarms follow me without a problem. I suppose it depends on how far away they are. If I turn a corner right as you launch them, then yeah, the swarms will try to head straight to my new position. But if they are even halfway to me, then they turn the corner 8 times out of 10

You obviously never been on the receiving end of swarms. I've turned 90' corners and had a whole flight of swarms follow me without a problem. I suppose it depends on how far away they are. If I turn a corner right as you launch them, then yeah, the swarms will try to head straight to my new position. But if they are even halfway to me, then they turn the corner 8 times out of 10

I've been on the receiving end of Swarm Launchers plenty of times, and I've been on the giving end more than anyone in this thread. Assumptions are bad for you.

And from my experience, I can guarantee that the Swarm Launcher AI has not turned a corner (greater than 5-¦) since Uprising 1.8. No, they will not head straight to your position.

Perhaps you should see for yourself. Actually use a Swarm Launcher and get back to me on that one.

I've been on the receiving end of Swarm Launchers plenty of times, and I've been on the giving end more than anyone in this thread. Assumptions are bad for you.

And from my experience, I can guarantee that the Swarm Launcher AI has not turned a corner (greater than 5-¦) since Uprising 1.8. No, they will not head straight to your position.

Perhaps you should see for yourself. Actually use a Swarm Launcher and get back to me on that one.

So, let's see...
PLC Prof = Shield (Next to useless weapon as AV anyway)
Forge Prof = Armor
Swarm Prof = Armor

Sooo... how did it affect armor tanks?

(GASP) WHAT?!!!??? WHAT?!

1v1 with infantry? Then what's the point of tanks? Lower the cost to dropsuit cost? Then everyone would go tanks. Let's face it, tanks are large targets that move faster than most infantry. They have room for 3 gunners and fill specific roles. Do I agree that tanks are suppose to be good against infantry? No, not the large turrets anyway. Should the large turrets be only good against vehicles? Probably not, no matter what a large rail shot should take out any standing infantry. Should CCP make it harder for them to hit? Sure, but you cannot say that tanks should be equal to usefulness and cost of infantry. If that were the case then CCP should have just yanked all vehicles when they removed logi LAVS, logi dropships and enforcer HAVs.

true tiericide? are you kidding?

As far as the balance isk issue, yes, there will always be elites that have the isk to spend but you know what, if they keep wasting their tanks that cost a mil isk or more, then every match I will sit there and take it from them. As far as those with tons of PC districts, CCP has gone a long way of knocking them down a peg or two with the removal of district locking. Now, corps like Nyain San have lost more than half of their districts and will probably continue to do so until their fairly small corp gets to a reasonable size that they can defend and hold. They will still of PC districts though until a stronger corp comes along and if you hate that any corp besides your own has a district than get over it, beef up your corp, take a district or just plain go to a different corp that already has a district.

You guys should really hold off on all this until the forge is fixed. This is the only reason lot of you are surviving. A lot of times the forge is only applying damage every other shot.

pre 1.8:
3 damage mods = 124.4% damage

post 1.8:
3 damage mods = 112.2% damage

There you go, a 10% nerf to swarms/forge guns versus armor tanks.

CCP broke vehicles.

The problem was NEVER the amount hardened. It was short cooldowns and hardener stacking allowing perma hardened vehicles, alongside militia modules being just as effective as proto modules. All they needed do was limit hardeners to one per vehicle. That's it. Now hardener stacking is the only viable fit, and even then it is more efficient to call out a sica, because a militia railgun can remove a double hardened gunnlogi's shield in 4 shots.

They need to bring back the old hardener values and limit the amount you can put on the vehicle. The changes did absolutely nothing to emphasize waves of opportunity.

Are people are still complaining they cannot destroy HAV?

In all seriousness?

I would just like to say that the hardener Nerf was fair and the tankers who are crying should feel ashamed. Imagine my lolz when I couldn't just turn on a hardener and sit through an orbital! Shield tanks are challenging now, you aren't invincible anymore and it seems av has finally found its backbone as I am seeing swarms everywhere in groups.

The supper repper nos gal tank is a problem IMO, I have fought with them and against them and the only way to really destroy them is proto rail or adv/proto rail + a missile tank. I tried to down one with me an my gunner in an assault dropship and as soon as we had to reload (xt missiles) his armor was back. We tried alternating our fire to keep a continuous stream of missiles on him but we were in a dropship so cover and buildings and changes in direction hampered that plan. I'm pretty sure a rail tank came and together we were able to bring it down.
Honestly even in my missile tank I would think twice about engaging a rep tank with nos, and missile tanks are designed to hunt those so.......

The only solution to that are depreciating rep values on stacked modules.... otherwise nerfs just penalise those like me who only user a single repper, and I think current rep values are pretty fair...unless we hit the old active rep modules.

( Skihids: The choices are:
Require a multi-player crew
Seperate heavy vehicles from infantry so they don't compete directly
Place a very low artificial limit on deployment
Nerf heavy vehicles to be no different than a suit)


i guess the same could be said for proto suits and modules in pub matches.. since tank versus tank is alot more balanced than drop suit vs drop suit.
if it takes 2 players too kill a single player in a proto suit. then shouldnt the proto suit require 2 players to use it?.
by this logic gameplay is ridiculously stupid in general. but it might tone down stomp matches.. potentially.

what shall our newberries due?. by all rights and respect to them. their the ones that deserve to cry and whine all they want. they get farmed for kills and warpoints by proto scrubs without a second thought. the new berries invented the murder taxi. they discovered a way to counter a proto suit. and that counter was bitched about endlessly then abused badly later on by the actual scrubs till its removal. come 1.7. our mlt newberries discovered tanks to be the best counter to proto stompers. and all the bitching here is perfect proof of it. and those few paths are dead wrong in general. there are many more paths than u think. no1 seems to have learned them or figured them out by now. except maybe for the ignored few.

It doesn't take two MLT players to take out a proto suit. A MLT scout can do it in many ways, shotgun, RE, etc. Weapons are powerful enough that TTK is short enough to get a kill. Still, there are those who advocate further tiericide.