DUST Search - Why are equipment bonuses going away between suit changes?

SirManBoy wrote:

This "intended mechanic" really takes the shine off of several suits. I have all of the logi suits but under these conditions I see little reason to use something other than the Amarr suit. Sure, I don't get the rep tool, scanner, or nanohive bonus, but I have the ability to spam great uplinks and I still retain the ability to mindlessly spam a large quantity nanohives and/or use a rep tool and/or nanite injector effectively and for huge WP.

What exactly is CCP stopping me from doing by locking these bonuses to the suit type? The one thing that they have done is made me far less likely to use my other logi suits. Keeping the bonuses tied to the deployed equipment could have been a cool mechanic for the thinking man's logi who wanted to fully immerse him or herself in the support role and be able to provide the right support at the right time.

If anything, you're forcing me to play the spam game for quantity rather than providing a large variety of quality support.

Meh. Have it your way, gang.

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SirManBoy Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 449	Posted - 2014.03.30 21:03:00 - [1] - Quote I'm noticing that the uplinks I drop as an Amarr aren't retaining their bonus as I change suits throughout a match. As a multiracially spec'd logi who tries to adapt to ever-changing conditions on the field, I find this totally unacceptable and tactically nonsensical. Bottom line, is this an error/bug, or is this intentional? My position is this...if you drop a piece of bonus-enhanced equipment then it should retain its effectiveness for as long as it is functional. In other words, suit changes shouldn't cause previously deployed bonus-enhanced equipment to lose its efficacy. What's going on here, CCP?
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 605	Posted - 2014.03.30 21:05:00 - [2] - Quote Its CCP. If it aint broke. It doesnt exist. // Fully Speced Mass Driver Expert // Proto Min Scout // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guards Sexy Beast //
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1244	Posted - 2014.03.30 21:21:00 - [3] - Quote If this is true, then I sure am glad I didn't waste points in logis just to get bonuses that wouldn't apply when I switched suits. Phew.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion League of Infamy 1078	Posted - 2014.03.30 21:29:00 - [4] - Quote I'm hoping that it's intentional... Why you ask? It stops people from dropping favoured equipment, switching suits, and coming back to drop more favoured equipment. You want those really good Uplinks? Well you have to stay Amarr Logistics. Once you go Black, you just never go back!
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4277	Posted - 2014.03.30 21:33:00 - [5] - Quote The Black Jackal wrote: I'm hoping that it's intentional... Why you ask? It stops people from dropping favoured equipment, switching suits, and coming back to drop more favoured equipment. You want those really good Uplinks? Well you have to stay Amarr Logistics. I hope it is intentional. Equipment spam is a plague. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1862	Posted - 2014.03.30 21:34:00 - [6] - Quote It's intentional. there was a blue post about it before 1.8 dropped. check the feedback section, it might be there. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Havaru Fox Golden Empire of EvE 103	Posted - 2014.03.30 21:38:00 - [7] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: My position is this...if you drop a piece of bonus-enhanced equipment then it should retain its effectiveness for as long as it is functional. In other words, suit changes shouldn't cause previously deployed bonus-enhanced equipment to lose its efficacy. What's going on here, CCP? And if i drop something, die, and drop more, then the old once blow up. why is my new stuff linked to my old, so it will blow up, but when you change a suit it remains on the field? i think the stuff should blow up when you change the suit OR you should be abel to drop as much as you want MSG me for a 21 day EvE trial
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 703	Posted - 2014.03.30 21:42:00 - [8] - Quote This reminds me of some questions I've seen in RPG MMO's like... If I walk away from the Totem, why can't I keep the buff? The fact I have to be within 30 meters of the healer to be healed by a proximity HOT is bogus! etc etc... If the object that gives the buff is gone, why would the buff stay? If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7740	Posted - 2014.03.30 21:44:00 - [9] - Quote It's to discourage equipment spamming which is the cause of a lot of lag these days. Imagine spawning in with a logi fitted with a lot of uplinks boosted to the max with bonuses and then spam uplinks and hives around a supply depot then swap into your typical assault/scout/sentinal/whatever suit and watch the WPs roll in while at the same time lag is being induced because of excessive spamming. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
RKKR The Southern Legion League of Infamy 855	Posted - 2014.03.30 21:44:00 - [10] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: The Black Jackal wrote: I'm hoping that it's intentional... Why you ask? It stops people from dropping favoured equipment, switching suits, and coming back to drop more favoured equipment. You want those really good Uplinks? Well you have to stay Amarr Logistics. I hope it is intentional. Equipment spam is a plague. Everyone complains if we start shooting people. Everyone complains about dropping equipment. Everyone complains that we're constantly reaping one guy. What else is there to do for a support role? + everyone misses the point. Equipment will be spammed. Bonuses or no bonuses. Staying in the same suit while all hives or uplinks are depleted = boring gameplay for support roles.

SirManBoy Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 449	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:02:00 - [11] - Quote I never attack people on these forums but you guys who hate equipment deployment and aggressive logi play are truly a-holes. This game should promote creativity and allow players to fully express themselves in a variety of ways. Moreover, a logi with my experience and investment into the class should be allowed to excel in the deployment of equipment. The equipment bonuses and the nerfs that came with them were more than enough to create balance, but if I'm a motivated enough support player to spec into multiple logi suits and make several trips to the supply depot to take on different roles, my equipment should be as effective throughout the match as it was when it was first deployed. This is a total fail, CCP. Think about what you are saying. So it's okay for me to switch into several iterations of an Amarr suit and spam 20 highly effective uplinks with no issues related to their efficacy, and it's okay for me to do the same with a Caldari suit and nanohives, but if I want to drop two or three uplinks in my Amarr suit and switch to a Minmatar suit for heavy support then this system dictates that my previously deployed uplinks get penalized. I don't agree with that at all. It's dumb and it devalues both my extensive investment into this class and my worth to my squad/team.
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 953	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:07:00 - [12] - Quote Simple solution: Die instead of switching suits at a depot. On your next spawn, spawn minny with your rep tool. All the bonuses all for the cost of a suit. Oh, you didn't want to spend a proto suit to just get faster spawns and lots of WP while you play johnny rep tool? Tough. No free lunches. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
SirManBoy Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 449	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:21:00 - [13] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Simple solution: Die instead of switching suits at a depot. On your next spawn, spawn minny with your rep tool. All the bonuses all for the cost of a suit. Oh, you didn't want to spend a proto suit to just get faster spawns and lots of WP while you play johnny rep tool? Tough. No free lunches. Are you familiar with the term false dichotomy? Look it up, champ.
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 954	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:24:00 - [14] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: Are you familiar with the term false dichotomy? Look it up, champ. Oh no, a person from Melon Lube attempted to act smart. And failed by misusing a term. Well done, now please continue to explain why you should be able to stack bonuses across suits without dying. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
SirManBoy Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 449	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:30:00 - [15] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: SirManBoy wrote: Are you familiar with the term false dichotomy? Look it up, champ. Oh no, a person from Melon Lube attempted to act smart. And failed by misusing a term. Well done, now please continue to explain why you should be able to stack bonuses across suits without dying. No, you explain why your choices are the only ones on offer. Why should I have to die? Again, you're offering false choices when there are other possibilities, many more logical than your premise that I...A) Get over it. or B) Die and keep the bonuses.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 2914	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:31:00 - [16] - Quote I think it's intentional. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3742	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:31:00 - [17] - Quote Sounds suspisiously like an equipment spammer. No.
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion League of Infamy 158	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:35:00 - [18] - Quote Awwwww you guys and wanting all the cake and wanting to eat it. The simple thing here that of you want the bonuses on equipment 'x' bonuses to still be applied on the battlefield then you need to stay in logi suit 'y' for the full effect. Simple. Also please don't argue about under valuing your other suits/roles because that is bull crap as it is your choice to change rolls in the middle of a fight in the first place and don't argue about wasted SP either. That is also your choice to spec into those suits/equipment/weapons/stuff. CCP gave choice and different rolls between suits and my proto logi/assault/commando loves it. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 954	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:36:00 - [19] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: No, you explain why your choices are the only ones on offer. Why should I have to die? Again, you're offering false choices when there are other possibilities, many more logical than your premise that I...A) Get over it. or B) Die and keep the bonuses. Because CCP sucks? Why is it on me to explain why CCP produced a flying turd again? Right now, if you die in the suit, you keep the bonuses. So if you want to keep the low spawn time links, and then run a min logi for quality reps, that is how you do it. FFS, give someone a tip and watch them flap themselves into a tizzy trying to be mad. Stupid scrub. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
SirManBoy Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 449	Posted - 2014.03.31 00:08:00 - [20] - Quote This "intended mechanic" really takes the shine off of several suits. I have all of the logi suits but under these conditions I see little reason to use something other than the Amarr suit. Sure, I don't get the rep tool, scanner, or nanohive bonus, but I have the ability to spam great uplinks and I still retain the ability to mindlessly spam a large quantity nanohives and/or use a rep tool and/or nanite injector effectively and for huge WP. What exactly is CCP stopping me from doing by locking these bonuses to the suit type? The one thing that they have done is made me far less likely to use my other logi suits. Keeping the bonuses tied to the deployed equipment could have been a cool mechanic for the thinking man's logi who wanted to fully immerse him or herself in the support role and be able to provide the right support at the right time. If anything, you're forcing me to play the spam game for quantity rather than providing a large variety of quality support. Meh. Have it your way, gang.

RKKR The Southern Legion League of Infamy 857	Posted - 2014.03.31 08:52:00 - [21] - Quote So the bonus on my equipment goes away if I switch my suit at a supply depot? Does the bonus go away if I switch to the same suit? Does the bonus go away if I switch from a PRO suit to a ADV suit? The bonus stays active when you die and switch out to another suit? That's some assbackwards **. Miokai Zahou wrote: Awwwww you guys and wanting all the cake and wanting to eat it. The simple thing here that of you want the bonuses on equipment 'x' bonuses to still be applied on the battlefield then you need to stay in logi suit 'y' for the full effect. Simple. I have no clue how it works at the moment, but that doesn't seem true if you die from reading these posts. Quote: Also please don't argue about under valuing your other suits/roles because that is bull crap as it is your choice to change rolls in the middle of a fight in the first place Changing my suits is a necessity since I'm kind of useless with zero hives on my suit. It's a problem you will always have with current (passive) support mechanics. Quote: and don't argue about wasted SP either. That is also your choice to spec into those suits/equipment/weapons/stuff. It WAS my choice to spec into equipment BEFORE** 1.8. I wonder how many people would skill up the same equipment or weapon after 1.8 with a full respect. This freedom-of-choice-myth has been debunked a long time ago in the respect threads and the only thing that is bullcrap is saying that arguing it is bullcrap.
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 76	Posted - 2014.03.31 09:12:00 - [22] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: If this is true, then I sure am glad I didn't waste points in logis just to get bonuses that wouldn't apply when I switched suits. Phew. ^ 3/10 Federal Marines 1/10 Republic Command Commando Pride
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 552	Posted - 2014.03.31 09:21:00 - [23] - Quote It'll probably work if you suicide. B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 809	Posted - 2014.03.31 10:46:00 - [24] - Quote So glad Minmatar got heals. <3 Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 7/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL - eWar Merc
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2100	Posted - 2014.03.31 10:47:00 - [25] - Quote The Black Jackal wrote: I'm hoping that it's intentional... Why you ask? It stops people from dropping favoured equipment, switching suits, and coming back to drop more favoured equipment. You want those really good Uplinks? Well you have to stay Amarr Logistics. This.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 284	Posted - 2014.03.31 11:48:00 - [26] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: This "intended mechanic" really takes the shine off of several suits. I have all of the logi suits but under these conditions I see little reason to use something other than the Amarr suit. Sure, I don't get the rep tool, scanner, or nanohive bonus, but I have the ability to spam great uplinks and I still retain the ability to mindlessly spam a large quantity nanohives and/or use a rep tool and/or nanite injector effectively and for huge WP. What exactly is CCP stopping me from doing by locking these bonuses to the suit type? The one thing that they have done is made me far less likely to use my other logi suits. Keeping the bonuses tied to the deployed equipment could have been a cool mechanic for the thinking man's logi who wanted to fully immerse him or herself in the support role and be able to provide the right support at the right time. If anything, you're forcing me to play the spam game for quantity rather than providing a large variety of quality support. Meh. Have it your way, gang. Like you yourself said, providing the right support at the right time: that is how things are now. What you really want is to be able to provide all kinds of support with the highest bonuses at all times. Right now you have to choose which kind of support you want to give effectively at any given time. So you are telling me you would not spam equipment if you got to keep the bonus if you switch suits? Lol, right... R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
Horizen Kenpachi Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 250	Posted - 2014.03.31 11:53:00 - [27] - Quote I imagine its to stop u spamming all eq at suppy depot then running of in a attacking suit giving u a logi wps while filling another role stay in ur logi suit and stop spamming earn ur isk the hard way Hit me with your nerf bat.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2544	Posted - 2014.03.31 12:02:00 - [28] - Quote The bigger issue is this: I don't think the bonus stays if you die, which is stupid. Might be a bug, might not. Am I supposed to drop the uplinks and then AFK the rest of the match? What if I die and switch to a different suit when I respawn? Then what? This is also a huge nerf to the Amarr and Caldari logi suits because our bonuses are now worthless compared to gal/min. Finally, spammers don't care about how well the equipment works, people. Equipment will be spammed regardless, and guess what? you high-horse sitters will gladly use it all the same when you die or run out of ammo. It's simply hypocrisy to say otherwise. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1247	Posted - 2014.03.31 12:13:00 - [29] - Quote The thing is, it doesn't stop spamming. It's a big middle finger to guys who specced into that equipment just for the bonus, but other than that, it actually encourages MORE spamming (in the case of nanohives, since your hives are 2/3rds as effective previously, you will spam more at the supply depot) or use of lower level equipment (in the case of uplinks, since aside from the flux links, there isn't a significant difference between 12 and 11 seconds, for advanced and proto uplinks). If I were a new character or had a full respec in 1.8, I wouldn't even bother getting uplinks to proto (Lv4 is adequate) or active scanners at all. Nanohives are still worth it though, simply for spammability at depots or if you're not afraid of burning ISK out in the field.
Twelve Guage Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 219	Posted - 2014.03.31 12:19:00 - [30] - Quote This has to be in intended because it makes no sense for you guys to keep a bonus to your suit when you're not in it. Suit bonuses go with the suit how people didn't realize this before going into the suit is is beyond me. I mean really that's like saying your assault suit should get a reduction to cloaks because you have skilled into a scout suit fully. If you want your suit bonuses to work stay in your suit the whole match. It's as simple as that. Death Firm recruiter and sandwiches maker. You're been like by Twelve Gauge = her grabbing your @$$.



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