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RKKR
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Posted - 2014.03.30 21:44:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:The Black Jackal wrote:I'm hoping that it's intentional... Why you ask? It stops people from dropping favoured equipment, switching suits, and coming back to drop more favoured equipment.
You want those really good Uplinks? Well you have to stay Amarr Logistics.
I hope it is intentional. Equipment spam is a plague.
Everyone complains if we start shooting people.
Everyone complains about dropping equipment.
Everyone complains that we're constantly reaping one guy.
What else is there to do for a support role?
+ everyone misses the point.
Equipment will be spammed. Bonuses or no bonuses.
Staying in the same suit while all hives or uplinks are depleted = boring gameplay for support roles. |
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Posted - 2014.03.31 08:52:00 -
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So the bonus on my equipment goes away if I switch my suit at a supply depot? Does the bonus go away if I switch to the same suit? Does the bonus go away if I switch from a PRO suit to a ADV suit?
The bonus stays active when you die and switch out to another suit?
That's some assbackwards ****.
Miokai Zahou wrote:Awwwww you guys and wanting all the cake and wanting to eat it.
The simple thing here that of you want the bonuses on equipment 'x' bonuses to still be applied on the battlefield then you need to stay in logi suit 'y' for the full effect. Simple.
I have no clue how it works at the moment, but that doesn't seem true if you die from reading these posts.
Quote:Also please don't argue about under valuing your other suits/roles because that is bull crap as it is your choice to change rolls in the middle of a fight in the first place
Changing my suits is a necessity since I'm kind of useless with zero hives on my suit. It's a problem you will always have with current (passive) support mechanics.
Quote: and don't argue about wasted SP either. That is also your choice to spec into those suits/equipment/weapons/stuff.
It WAS my choice to spec into equipment BEFORE 1.8. I wonder how many people would skill up the same equipment or weapon after 1.8 with a full respect. This freedom-of-choice-myth has been debunked a long time ago in the respect threads and the only thing that is bullcrap is saying that arguing it is bullcrap. |
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Posted - 2014.03.31 15:00:00 -
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Asha Starwind wrote:Why should it retain the bonus when you change suits? It is a bonus of the suit not the equipment. So if you are not wearing the suit the specific bonus is not in effect.
Why should the bonus be active when the suit isn't even near the equipment.
Why should equipment stay alive when we die?
Come on CCP...I know you can make it even worse and more boring to play a support role. |
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:04:00 -
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This threads shows who plays a support logi and who doesn't and if you really need to ask why logi-players are asking for this...read the goddamn feedback threads on equipment and dropsuit-changes...you'll only read that the CPU/PG reduction bonus was awesome and that the rest is utter bullshit...and on top of that we get this crap?
Go cloak yourself or camp a room with a heavy, you won't get it.
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RKKR
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Posted - 2014.03.31 19:52:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:
The equipment is not restricted to one suit. It is optimized for one suit.
You restrict it to one suit because you want to make an argument, but it falls apart because you are falsely setting restrictions that don't exist.
Stuff gets nerfed. Deal with it.
Once there was this guy that came down from Manus Peak and gave the logis a stone tablet with the 5 R's (Rezz, Repair, Reinforce, Resupply and Rally).
Noone complained about the logi doing the 5 R's*. Hell we even got a lot of hate threads on this forum for not doing our job. Then there came the day were a guy thought it was a good idea to 'balance' equipment.
Thank you slayerlogies, thank you CCP for making bad decisions...the logies are bleeding out...waiting for CCP to make the final blow on the logi suit.
*People did complain at how they had to do it, but that's the nature of the crappy game mechanics not the logis themselves. |
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Posted - 2014.03.31 20:40:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:I like how the tone seems to be that you cannot be an all around support logi. It's min maxing efficiencies and being pissed that CCP said, "We didn't intend for one logi to be able to do everything a logi can do." You know, you can use a rep tool on a different logi, hell you can rep on a scout. If you want to play TF2 and sit on a heavy and rep spam then run a minnie logi. If you want to be generally useful and actually help more than just one guy on your team making a 1.5 force multiplier then learn to spread the love and be an actual support logi.
All I see in this thread is players who were **** at fps games not wanting to have their easy mode turn into something that requires effort and skill. Logis when used properly, IE not 90% of you jokers, are massive advantages even in their current form. Or did you think clone count, spawn positioning, ammo reps, armor reps, scanners showing enemy positions none of this really helps unless you get that little bit extra for every equip right?
There are so many things wrong right now in this game, logis aren't one of them, you guys have just been spoiled for far too long. I expect to hear the same QQ on hardeners from tank spammers as well, so we better clear out some more room and put this thread to bed.
All i See in this post is a player who puts all logis in the "ooh-you-can't-play-fps"-camp.
Remember nano hives in Chromosome? Did anyone complain?
Remember nano hives in Uprising <1.8?
I'm sure you know how quick a hive can go empty since you can tell the difference between a good and bad logi  . We're forced to use proto-level equipment while everyone else can still use their standard weapons to kill people as effectively.
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RKKR
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Posted - 2014.03.31 21:01:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:RKKR wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:I like how the tone seems to be that you cannot be an all around support logi. It's min maxing efficiencies and being pissed that CCP said, "We didn't intend for one logi to be able to do everything a logi can do." You know, you can use a rep tool on a different logi, hell you can rep on a scout. If you want to play TF2 and sit on a heavy and rep spam then run a minnie logi. If you want to be generally useful and actually help more than just one guy on your team making a 1.5 force multiplier then learn to spread the love and be an actual support logi.
All I see in this thread is players who were **** at fps games not wanting to have their easy mode turn into something that requires effort and skill. Logis when used properly, IE not 90% of you jokers, are massive advantages even in their current form. Or did you think clone count, spawn positioning, ammo reps, armor reps, scanners showing enemy positions none of this really helps unless you get that little bit extra for every equip right?
There are so many things wrong right now in this game, logis aren't one of them, you guys have just been spoiled for far too long. I expect to hear the same QQ on hardeners from tank spammers as well, so we better clear out some more room and put this thread to bed. All i See in this post is a player who puts all logis in the "ooh-you-can't-play-fps"-camp. Remember nano hives in Chromosome? Did anyone complain? Remember nano hives in Uprising <1.8? I'm sure you know how quick a hive can go empty since you can tell the difference between a good and bad logi . We're forced to use proto-level equipment while everyone else can still use their standard weapons to kill people as effectively. Well all I really can say since it's a difference of opinion is: >We're forced to use proto-level equipment In PCs, sure that's what errybody does. In pubbies, no you don't, you never need proto anything in a pubby. You don't have to use any proto gear unless you're bad at the game and need it. I'll see your I need proto gear to not suck and I'll raise you a well I guess you suck then. Edit: Because I know it might be coming, I didn't say you can't use proto gear in pubbys but seriously you don't "need" it. If you do, you are bad.
Yes I would suck, I wouldn't be able to support my squad with that advanced nanohive for more than 2 min before I need to search a nearby supply depot to restock which means I'm out of the battle-zone. Because nano hives being depleted in an eye blink is no difference in opinion, it's a fact.
You have no idea what you are talking about. |
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Posted - 2014.03.31 21:17:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Skihids wrote:What it means is that anyone doing much at all with deployable equipment is going to be siting on his hands most of the match. Any suit with a significant investment in hives and uplinks is going to be expensive and somewhat squishy, making it a very poor choice for the front line. Instead of swapping out for a more active suit you would be better off cooling your heels back at base.
That is boring as hell, so what will happen is a migration from the Logi suit to the Scout suit for deployment. The Scout has two slots now and enough fitting to make good use of them. It's also faster and stronger and possesses a lower profile and higher precision. The lack of equipment bonus doesn't matter because the Logi suit effectively loses it after you put it away. The Scout makes an ideal logistics platform. Have fun trying to fit those equipments and fit the scout suit. There is a hugh CPU/PG difference between Logis and Scouts and rightfully so.
I'm pretty sure I could use a Standard gun to have more free CPU/PG and use non-proto-equipment which you claimed were fine enough in your previous point. Then there are also CPU and PG modules.
As I said...you have no clue what you are talking about. |
RKKR
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Posted - 2014.03.31 21:19:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:RKKR wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:RKKR wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:I like how the tone seems to be that you cannot be an all around support logi. It's min maxing efficiencies and being pissed that CCP said, "We didn't intend for one logi to be able to do everything a logi can do." You know, you can use a rep tool on a different logi, hell you can rep on a scout. If you want to play TF2 and sit on a heavy and rep spam then run a minnie logi. If you want to be generally useful and actually help more than just one guy on your team making a 1.5 force multiplier then learn to spread the love and be an actual support logi.
All I see in this thread is players who were **** at fps games not wanting to have their easy mode turn into something that requires effort and skill. Logis when used properly, IE not 90% of you jokers, are massive advantages even in their current form. Or did you think clone count, spawn positioning, ammo reps, armor reps, scanners showing enemy positions none of this really helps unless you get that little bit extra for every equip right?
There are so many things wrong right now in this game, logis aren't one of them, you guys have just been spoiled for far too long. I expect to hear the same QQ on hardeners from tank spammers as well, so we better clear out some more room and put this thread to bed. All i See in this post is a player who puts all logis in the "ooh-you-can't-play-fps"-camp. Remember nano hives in Chromosome? Did anyone complain? Remember nano hives in Uprising <1.8? I'm sure you know how quick a hive can go empty since you can tell the difference between a good and bad logi . We're forced to use proto-level equipment while everyone else can still use their standard weapons to kill people as effectively. Well all I really can say since it's a difference of opinion is: >We're forced to use proto-level equipment In PCs, sure that's what errybody does. In pubbies, no you don't, you never need proto anything in a pubby. You don't have to use any proto gear unless you're bad at the game and need it. I'll see your I need proto gear to not suck and I'll raise you a well I guess you suck then. Edit: Because I know it might be coming, I didn't say you can't use proto gear in pubbys but seriously you don't "need" it. If you do, you are bad. Yes I would suck, I wouldn't be able to support my squad with that advanced nanohive for more than 2 min before I need to search a nearby supply depot to restock which means I'm out of the battle-zone. Because nano hives being depleted in an eye blink is no difference in opinion, it's a fact. You have no idea what you are talking about. Well like I said it's a matter of opinion. By all means I won't argue that you don't need it, I'll just have to assume if your squad is draining adv hives so fast they must either be wrecking the enemy clone count or they can't aim. Either of which sounds like it is working as intended.
So you basically agree that adv hives are **** because you'll spend 90% of your time not with your squad.
and then I haven't talked about the movement of the battle and number of available hives.
Please keep digging your own hole. Also, you're not worthy to have an opinion if you keep ASSUMING things, test it out yourself or shut up. |
RKKR
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Posted - 2014.03.31 21:29:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:RKKR wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:The Black Jackal wrote:I'm hoping that it's intentional... Why you ask? It stops people from dropping favoured equipment, switching suits, and coming back to drop more favoured equipment.
You want those really good Uplinks? Well you have to stay Amarr Logistics.
I hope it is intentional. Equipment spam is a plague. Everyone complains if we start shooting people. Everyone complains about dropping equipment. Everyone complains that we're constantly reaping one guy. What else is there to do for a support role? + everyone misses the point. Equipment will be spammed. Bonuses or no bonuses. Staying in the same suit while all hives or uplinks are depleted = boring gameplay for support roles. There's such a thing as too much of everything. Though I never complained about repairs.
So how do we change the game to make it less boring for a support player and less spammy equipment instead of complaining? I never see anyone answer this question. |
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RKKR
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Posted - 2014.03.31 21:37:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:RKKR wrote:So you basically agree that adv hives are **** because you'll spend 90% of your time not with your squad.
and then I haven't talked about the movement of the battle and number of available hives.
Please keep digging your own hole. What? Also, I didn't say the equipment were the problem, my point was a proto scout is going to have lower tier gear and so on and so forth. A adv scout is going to have std tier in equipment or gear, a std scout is going to fall over when someone coughs at it if it's support fitted. Not saying scouts can't do it, I'm just saying don't expect to fit as much onto them as the equivalent Logi which = less support more speed which isn't necessarily "combat efficiency". You sacrifice a potential support bonus for mobility going that route, but if that's what you want go for it. Just don't expect scouts to be better support on the "support side." You can have whatever fictitious argument you want to straw man up, It doesn't change anything. Also pick a side of your argument, if you think scouts are fine why argue that you can't be a logi without all the bonuses?
You're the one mixing up my posts...and it seems you need to pick a side yourself (I was just pointing out your errors + it seems all bonuses are gone when you switch suits for equipment so why are you arguing that?) or stop using passive phrases that denies your previous statements
And yes if my hives are going to suck and I'm spending 90% of my time running to restock my hives....a scouts mobility is more helpful...the better scans,... would be too because I don't have to tell you that a true logi tries to avoid fights when he is running on his own with crap stamina .
I'm tired of you, see you tomorrow to check the depth of your hole. |
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Posted - 2014.04.01 07:34:00 -
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LOL, that guy is still mixing up 2 different posts of mine and calls me a straw man. Just look at post #83, it's pretty clear this guy wants the boring FPS-game and not the tactical stuff that CCP promised us.
To all the people saying that ADV hives are good enough...How many people are you actually supplying with it? How many deaths do your teammates have (they don't need ammo if they die). How many kills do they make? How many times do you push a different location? How useful are you with an empty equipment slot? How useful are you when running to the supply depot to restock your hives all the time? How useful are you with crap stamina stats?
Just another post with sentences and quastionmarks you guys will never answer as you are just too busy crying of equipment spam (while I see more comments of people to back up the logis to say they are not spammers) not the efficiency and boredom of the support role compared to the others roles and putting us in the scan-ballerina-camp...
Please return after you know you're talking about. |
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