DUST Search - Why are equipment bonuses going away between suit changes?

TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:

RockNrolla Ayatollah wrote:

I can understand this a little due to the fact I run logi suits and have dumped all my SP in it so I can be a better logi just to find out if I change my suit to better help my team I get penalized but it is what it is.

Unfortunately we either A. don't have enough equipment slots or B not enough CPU/PG. I am still trying to find balance here LOL!! I need a scanner, no wait I need to drop more uplinks....... Wait I need a rep tool........ crap, now I need a nanite injector!!!! Hey where's the nanohives? I am out of ammo .......... Shocked

I NEED A DRINK!!! but I love my logi suits and I love being the happy helperton Big smile

IMO the spam doesn't just come from logi's. It's from everybody who's anybody who has an equipment slot on their suit and feels the need to carry an uplink or nanohive. Maybe we need to get more suit specific and if your NOT in a logi suit you CANNOT carry uplinks ........ I don't know I am still learning.

I appreciate those of you who appreciate the logi and the nanite injector because you would have lost a suit, or the rep tool to help you stand a chance against the sea of boundless heavies or the nanohive so you don't have to run half way across the map just to refill on ammo and risk running into a swarm of red and I appreciate the other classes for covering my arse so I can do my job too :-)!!

Well one logi was never supposed to be able to do everything. That's why logis are upset now, because CCP said, "Ooops, you weren't supposed to be able to cover all logistic support!" Which isn't entirely true, you can still drop hives, drop uplinks, swap suits and run around with a rep tool and nanite and/or scanner. You just won't get all bonuses, which comes back to the whole, commandos, scouts. assault, and sentinels do not get all racial bonuses on each suit why should logis?


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John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2544	Posted - 2014.03.31 12:02:00 - [1] - Quote The bigger issue is this: I don't think the bonus stays if you die, which is stupid. Might be a bug, might not. Am I supposed to drop the uplinks and then AFK the rest of the match? What if I die and switch to a different suit when I respawn? Then what? This is also a huge nerf to the Amarr and Caldari logi suits because our bonuses are now worthless compared to gal/min. Finally, spammers don't care about how well the equipment works, people. Equipment will be spammed regardless, and guess what? you high-horse sitters will gladly use it all the same when you die or run out of ammo. It's simply hypocrisy to say otherwise. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2549	Posted - 2014.03.31 17:51:00 - [2] - Quote Personally I feel like the cal and amarr logi bonus should work like this: the characteristics of the equipment are a static value that are set when it is dropped. It should be based on the bonus and the type of uplink, and not change for the life of the item. Now, if you wanted to put some type of restrictions, say, you can't swap out at a supply depot for a few minutes for the bonus to be permanent, I can live with it. But what if I switch to a different Amarr logi suit? Should I still keep the bonus? If yes, how have we accomplished the alleged goal of reducing equipment spam? My big problem though is that it has seemed to me like if I die, the bonus is lost. That's a total BS mechanic. Don't want me to swap out all day at a supply depot? Ok, sure, whatever. Sounds fair, after all It's not like tankers can just recall their vehicles when they get damaged, or sentinels swap out when their armor is toast, or commando's when they've already used their nanohive.... hmm. oh wait, yes they can. Still I can live with it. Idgaf about my KDR anyway, so I'm happy to strap some RE's or a MD on my uplink suit and go in rambo style and see if I can take 1 or 2 reds with me before I go down in a blaze of glory. At least let the goddamn bonus stay in that case. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2549	Posted - 2014.03.31 17:56:00 - [3] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Luk Manag wrote: It really upsets me when things like this make it into the game without being explicitly defined in the patch notes or anywhere. What about switching between AUR or LP suits of the same suit class or level? I switch between ADV and PRO to throw down PRO level nanohives that are too hard to fit on the ADV suits, and now I have to assume CCP is trying to screw me on the logi bonus, and I will have to test these things myself...I doubt the devs even know. What are you talking about? You get whatever bonus you are spec'd up to regardless of suit tier. What he's asking is, if he spawns in with a proto suit so he can carry the proto links, then switches at a supply depot to a different amarr logi suit, say maybe an ADV one, does the bonus stay? Different suit, but still an Amarr logi. How should that work? "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2550	Posted - 2014.03.31 22:20:00 - [4] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: I'm just confused though, suit bonuses pre 1.8 didn't stack on unrelated suits, and post 1.8 other suits do not have stacking bonuses (For example speccing into all commandos isn't going to give you a % bonus to all commando suits for all damage types) why would people think logi suit bonuses wouldn't behave like all the other suits? Did you guys think the caldari rapid reload would work on gallente assaults? You are confused but about something else. WTF are you talking about? Deployable equipment and weapons (or dropsuit modules) are not the same thing. Prior to a week ago, they had static properties which did not change after deployment. Why would it not be logical (in the absence of CCP telling us) that this would stay the same? "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2550	Posted - 2014.04.01 00:16:00 - [5] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: RockNrolla Ayatollah wrote: I can understand this a little due to the fact I run logi suits and have dumped all my SP in it so I can be a better logi just to find out if I change my suit to better help my team I get penalized but it is what it is. Unfortunately we either A. don't have enough equipment slots or B not enough CPU/PG. I am still trying to find balance here LOL!! I need a scanner, no wait I need to drop more uplinks....... Wait I need a rep tool........ crap, now I need a nanite injector!!!! Hey where's the nanohives? I am out of ammo .......... I NEED A DRINK!!! but I love my logi suits and I love being the happy helperton IMO the spam doesn't just come from logi's. It's from everybody who's anybody who has an equipment slot on their suit and feels the need to carry an uplink or nanohive. Maybe we need to get more suit specific and if your NOT in a logi suit you CANNOT carry uplinks ........ I don't know I am still learning. I appreciate those of you who appreciate the logi and the nanite injector because you would have lost a suit, or the rep tool to help you stand a chance against the sea of boundless heavies or the nanohive so you don't have to run half way across the map just to refill on ammo and risk running into a swarm of red and I appreciate the other classes for covering my arse so I can do my job too :-)!! Well one logi was never supposed to be able to do everything. That's why logis are upset now, because CCP said, "Ooops, you weren't supposed to be able to cover all logistic support!" Which isn't entirely true, you can still drop hives, drop uplinks, swap suits and run around with a rep tool and nanite and/or scanner. You just won't get all bonuses, which comes back to the whole, commandos, scouts. assault, and sentinels do not get all racial bonuses on each suit why should logis? And that's still a nonsensical argument. You make my head hurt. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2550	Posted - 2014.04.01 00:20:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Buwhahahaa.... yeah its a nerf to me too but its something I can live with as I don't abuse it. Also protesting by just spamming justifies the equipment nerf that did come in 1.8... Hey, a somewhat-official voice! Can you (or anyone, for fcks sake) provide a link or get a dev comment on exactly how the equipment bonuses work? My main question is this: if I die and respawn in an Amarr logi suit, do my uplinks keep the bonus? (I would also like to know the same about supply depots, but less important.) "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics"* -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!