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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:

Dj grammer wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Sana Rayya wrote:

Read the bottom: Dropsuit Command Skill Tree Respec confirmed (but only dropsuit command).

Sucks for all those people who wanted to be a Caldari Sentinel but had to go Amarr Sentinel and now have all those wasted points in armor plating and stuff.

I don't understand how CCP can do a Dropsuit Command respec without a Dropsuit Upgrades respec.

Dropsuit Upgrades applies to ALL DROPSUITS. A good amount of people who have been playing this game since close/open beta will be the ones to tell you to max out (or evenly distribute) your skill points in dropsuit upgrades before spending all your skill points into a dropsuit first. A great example would be a player having level 5 armor, shield, and core upgrades or at least at a reasonable level. Hell I did not have the thought to spec into my prototype suit until I had level 4 electronics and engineering along with level 5 core upgrades. I will say it is unfair to compare since I was a Minmatar Logistics user meaning I have spend skill points into both shield extenders and armor plating.

But I do agree with you though, having skill points re-obtained from command and not from upgrades is crazy . Let's just be happy we are getting some kind of respec anyways.

Respec will give us less than 2.5 million SP.

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Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 110	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:42:00 - [121] - Quote Neo Rinzler wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Neo Rinzler wrote: CHANGE THE GODDAMN CALDARI ASSAULT BONUS It is useless and when most peopel wuld rather keep the current one you knwo theres a problem How about you LISTEN to the community for once eh ? its not useless you just think its useless because you dont like it. if you use the right guns its actually a very useful skill. Rail Rifle Sniper Rifle .. SL .. umm SL is useless die to 1.7 nerfs ... RR and SR .. umm .. I never have an issue where I think to myself . I wish this reloaded faster .. assault suits have .. sidearms ... Useful skill if you were minmatar or gallente with rapid fire weapons like the CR/AR but .. RR and SR ?? It's like giving a reload bonus to the amarr suit .. SCR just don't have reloading issues It's a **** bonus and you know it so what would you rather it was?
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 110	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:44:00 - [122] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: The Amarr scout is a joke. I was looking forward to running this suit since fanfest 2013, but there's no way I'm sinking SP into this turd. It's slower than the Minmatar ASSAULT for f*cksakes. Nobody wants to run slowly for a very long time. Whoever is responsible for this should be embarrassed. On the plus side it looks pretty awesome. Why was all of our well-articulated feedback ignored? it isnt slower and you have 4 low slots. i see no problem with it. put a kincat or 2 and you have a fast suit. and still have room for other modules Edit: my bad looked at the wrong suit. but be honest is .05 of a meter much?
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 220	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:44:00 - [123] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: It's a shame that it's Dropsuit Command only. Well, I was away for a while and voila - 1kk SP sitting there to be spent on something. Just a friendly reminder that the game has no skill cap, so switching a weapon is like what - two weeks of casual play time with boosters on? Sure, it would be nice to spec into the FOTM after 1.8, but after being here since 2012 it's not the end of the world or a reason to quit.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 273	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:45:00 - [124] - Quote What a bunch of crock! Respecs to the cry hards! Otherwise great work.. I hope this respec is not a common thing because it's not like new eden and does not play well with the universe! Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Leezir Bragian Order Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:47:00 - [125] - Quote Was kind of really hoping Amarr Assault Suits would get more low slots than the Gallente
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 220	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:48:00 - [126] - Quote Neo Rinzler wrote: CHANGE THE GODDAMN CALDARI ASSAULT BONUS Last match I played I died due to the guy in front of me reloading his weapon faster, a reload bonus would be nice in that case, especially with an increase in TTK after 1.8 or later.
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 941	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:48:00 - [127] - Quote So after reading through this thread it seems the respect guys are upset because they aren't getting all of their sp back. The biggest point I see coming up is about amarr sentinels and how people wanting to switch to cal or min sentinels won't get the points back that they invested in armor to put into shields. I'm specing into cal scout and will probably end up putting points into everything caldari. If people were really interested in going cal or min heavy why didn't they train into the medium suits first? Get their shield skills up and then spec into amarr heavy while they waited? Or spend skill points into shields after they got their amarr heavy to a good place? I mean seriously, its been months... This is just stupid, they are blaming CCP for choices they made. Instead of saving skill points or putting them into their desired tank they just got the best am or tanked amarrian suit they could. Why should CCP fix that for you? Anyway if this has thought you guys anything it should be patience is a virtue.
JIMvc2 BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:53:00 - [128] - Quote Woo hoo Can't wait to try out the Gallente Heavy. Bye bye Amarr heavy :( you helped me kill some many proto n00bs that they hate mail me everytime xD and they ***** and cry of how much there 100k dropsuit was no match against my normal heavy xD hahaha lol. CCP = 10 out of 10 :D If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 501	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:54:00 - [129] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: So after reading through this thread it seems the respect guys are upset because they aren't getting all of their sp back. The biggest point I see coming up is about amarr sentinels and how people wanting to switch to cal or min sentinels won't get the points back that they invested in armor to put into shields. I'm specing into cal scout and will probably end up putting points into everything caldari. If people were really interested in going cal or min heavy why didn't they train into the medium suits first? Get their shield skills up and then spec into amarr heavy while they waited? Or spend skill points into shields after they got their amarr heavy to a good place? I mean seriously, its been months... This is just stupid, they are blaming CCP for choices they made. Instead of saving skill points or putting them into their desired tank they just got the best am or tanked amarrian suit they could. Why should CCP fix that for you? Anyway if this has thought you guys anything it should be patience is a virtue. I have max armor and shield upgrades anyways.... Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout.
Beck Weathers Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 749	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:55:00 - [130] - Quote Minmatar heavy looks like a Gorila made of rusty plates These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.

JIMvc2 BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:56:00 - [131] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Minmatar heavy looks like a Gorila made of rusty plates The Minmatar heavy looks like the Helgast from Killzone Shadow Fall = BADASS If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1942	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:57:00 - [132] - Quote DeeJay One wrote: Neo Rinzler wrote: CHANGE THE GODDAMN CALDARI ASSAULT BONUS Last match I played I died due to the guy in front of me reloading his weapon faster, a reload bonus would be nice in that case, especially with an increase in TTK after 1.8 or later. So many people underestimate a faster reload time. Death by reload is one of the most common deaths in video games. Spread awareness! Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Cal Predine StarKnight Security 59	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:59:00 - [133] - Quote I know this'll make a lot of people very happy, and while it's certainly nowhere near the top of my wishlist (not while performance and lag compensation are in such a sorry state), I'll certainly enjoy using a full suite of racial suits - and they look great. But I'm a little bewildered abut the damage resists for Sentinel suits? It makes sense that the primary resist is aligned to the race's primary enemy's damage type. But the secondary resist for each suit appears to be aligned to one of the suit's racial allies... For example, Caldari: Primary resist is against blasters - this makes perfect sense as blasters are the signature weapon of Caldari's sworn enemy the Gallente. Seconday resist is against Lasers? A weapon type used by Caldari's allies the Amarr! Huh?! Surely this isn't right? Would it not be more appropriate for the secondary resist to be aligned with the race's secondary enemy? And also, just to reiterate how much we're still looking forward to all the performance improvements I'm sure you're going to be announcing any day now... Let's not have a repeat of last Fanfest's almost off-hand "Oh, and it's also more performant" when in fact it wasn't. PS3 Slim - Hybrid hard drive with 8GB SSD - South Coast UK - Virgin media cable BB, 20Mbps down, 2Mbps up.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 503	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:59:00 - [134] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: DeeJay One wrote: Neo Rinzler wrote: CHANGE THE GODDAMN CALDARI ASSAULT BONUS Last match I played I died due to the guy in front of me reloading his weapon faster, a reload bonus would be nice in that case, especially with an increase in TTK after 1.8 or later. So many people underestimate a faster reload time. Death by reload is one of the most common deaths in video games. Spread awareness! http://memegenerator.net/instance/47123965 Death, by reload. I a,ways win if I have to reload Plus sidearm. Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout.
Cymek Omnius Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 38	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:00:00 - [135] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: New in Uprising 1.8 are five new types of Dropsuit Frames: The Minmatar, Gallente and Caldari Heavy Frames alongside the new Caldari and Amarr Light Frames. You can read all the details about these new frames and their variants in this new dev blog from CCP Remnant. Thx logi
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 46	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:00:00 - [136] - Quote Yay! Another tax refund. 15 mill sp woohoo Signed, Sealed, Delivered
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 987	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:03:00 - [137] - Quote Alright, this is most likely an enormous waste of time, seeing how CCP isn't famous for accepting our feedback (see: Amarr scout and Caldari assault bonuses in 1.8), but hell, if nothing else it might help them understand why we are upset at least... First off all, the decision to refund the SP in the Dropsuit Command tree was a good one. Thank you for that CCP. I'm not going to to say you completely ****** up the refund issue, you just missed the target a bit. You designed this game CCP so you know how closely tied dropsuit choice and tanking skill choices are. Some players have spent millions of SP in one tanking style because that was the only tanking style their preferred dropsuit ran at the time. Now you are telling those players that they need to grind AGAIN to get the other tanking style leveled up... You cannot make the grind into a game CCP. Stop trying. Moreover, some players poured SP into specific skills to support their role (e.g. maxing out profile dampening if they are scouts). Now that their preferred dropsuit is available (say, Caldari sentinel) those points into profile dampening are right next to useless. They could be better spent on filling out the heavy weapon skill of choice or a nice sidearm for their new heavy suit. With the current SP refund decision you are telling those players to go grind more in order to play the way they have wanted to play since 1.0... As long as we are on the topic of weaponry, many players were forced into certain weapons (e.g. AR) because alternative weapons that fulfilled their play style weren't available. Are you going to tell those players who invested millions of SP into AR's "Toughen up butter cup" because they didn't have the CR or RR available to them? CCP, please do the right thing and refund the SP spent in the Weaponry and Dropsuit Upgrades trees as well. You are looking at a 1 out of 3 success rate; that's 33%, I don't know many schools where that is a passing grade. "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 223	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:08:00 - [138] - Quote Cal Predine wrote: Seconday resist is against Lasers? A weapon type used by Caldari's allies the Amarr! Huh?! Surely this isn't right? Would it not be more appropriate for the secondary resist to be aligned with the race's secondary enemy? Well, there's a proverb/adage which says "$deity protect me from my friends - from my enemies I can protect myself" ;)
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 846	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:16:00 - [139] - Quote At least i can get out of these disgusting Amarr frames. On the other hand: i'm loving the Velociraptor-esque helmet on Amarr. Lynn Beck 5 AM: '-will be shamed publicly by tickle torture' Tits are my new god, as the Galscout has enlightened me.
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2215	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:19:00 - [140] - Quote My plan to be the best a-scout has been stiffed armed by ccp troll why no full respec "But we have been blessed"

Icarus DelSol BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 37	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:24:00 - [141] - Quote ChribbaX wrote: Wheeooo! Chooooseeeeeen ooooonnneeee! Wchaaa!
lrian Locust Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 365	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:27:00 - [142] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Minmatar heavies have some slow shield regeneration delays. So much for hit and run tactics. More like hit 'n' waddle tactics.
Gyyast MuffinMen 11	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:29:00 - [143] - Quote Galthur wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Respec confirmed, can we all stop crying about it now? No, having 1 armor regen on the Gallente heavy is literally nothing. No, having 1 armor regen on the Gallente heavy is figuratively nothing. FTFY
Beck Weathers Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 749	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:32:00 - [144] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Minmatar heavy looks like a Gorila made of rusty plates The Minmatar heavy looks like the Helgast from Killzone Shadow Fall = BADASS LOL... no These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1314	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:37:00 - [145] - Quote Gyyast wrote: Galthur wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Respec confirmed, can we all stop crying about it now? No, having 1 armor regen on the Gallente heavy is literally nothing. No, having 1 armor regen on the Gallente heavy is figuratively nothing. FTFY Give it 2 hp/s and people will complain it will outdo the Assault, give it 3+ hp/s and people will say it's the best choice for slaying. 1 hp/s is better than nothing and if you stack reps or reactive plates, it makes it even better. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1822	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:42:00 - [146] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: New in Uprising 1.8 are five new types of Dropsuit Frames: The Minmatar, Gallente and Caldari Heavy Frames alongside the new Caldari and Amarr Light Frames. You can read all the details about these new frames and their variants in this new dev blog from CCP Remnant. narrators voice ...And so, the Forum warriors and blueberries alike proceeded to rejoice. they prepared 3 lambs, yes 4 young kids. And peace and balance was restored to the universe. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1822	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:43:00 - [147] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Gyyast wrote: Galthur wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Respec confirmed, can we all stop crying about it now? No, having 1 armor regen on the Gallente heavy is literally nothing. No, having 1 armor regen on the Gallente heavy is figuratively nothing. FTFY Give it 2 hp/s and people will complain it will outdo the Assault, give it 3+ hp/s and people will say it's the best choice for slaying. 1 hp/s is better than nothing and if you stack reps or reactive plates, it makes it even better. what y'all complaining about. minmatar sntinel is uncompetetive. im only getting it cuz, im a minnie fan Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 312	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:48:00 - [148] - Quote Well, although I am not necessarily pleased to see that it's only a dropsuit command respec, I guess I will survive. Most of my SP is all put into equipment and core upgrades as I like to run actual logi suits. The rest is primarily in multiple weapons, so I've kinda managed to avoid the nerf hammer there. I guess I'll just switch into a different logi racial suit and then grab one more suit and i'll be good to go. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 254	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:49:00 - [149] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Dj grammer wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Read the bottom: Dropsuit Command Skill Tree Respec confirmed (but only dropsuit command). Sucks for all those people who wanted to be a Caldari Sentinel but had to go Amarr Sentinel and now have all those wasted points in armor plating and stuff. I don't understand how CCP can do a Dropsuit Command respec without a Dropsuit Upgrades respec. Dropsuit Upgrades applies to ALL DROPSUITS. A good amount of people who have been playing this game since close/open beta will be the ones to tell you to max out (or evenly distribute) your skill points in dropsuit upgrades before spending all your skill points into a dropsuit first. A great example would be a player having level 5 armor, shield, and core upgrades or at least at a reasonable level. Hell I did not have the thought to spec into my prototype suit until I had level 4 electronics and engineering along with level 5 core upgrades. I will say it is unfair to compare since I was a Minmatar Logistics user meaning I have spend skill points into both shield extenders and armor plating. But I do agree with you though, having skill points re-obtained from command and not from upgrades is crazy . Let's just be happy we are getting some kind of respec anyways. Respec will give us less than 2.5 million SP. You'll only get a 2.5 mil respec..... Cos ur a scrub..... I has over 8 mil sp in dropsuit command + 5 mil unallocated.... When 1.8 drops ill have roughly 15 Mil SP to play with
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 254	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:50:00 - [150] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Gyyast wrote: Galthur wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Respec confirmed, can we all stop crying about it now? No, having 1 armor regen on the Gallente heavy is literally nothing. No, having 1 armor regen on the Gallente heavy is figuratively nothing. FTFY Give it 2 hp/s and people will complain it will outdo the Assault, give it 3+ hp/s and people will say it's the best choice for slaying. 1 hp/s is better than nothing and if you stack reps or reactive plates, it makes it even better. what y'all complaining about. minmatar sntinel is uncompetetive. im only getting it cuz, im a minnie fan Looks like a samurai..



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