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Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.28 05:59:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:Say you corp has 8 players online. Do you make a squad then leave 2 guys out or do you make 2 squads of 4 and que-sync.
With Tech Guard at-least we que sync so everyone can play together. Pubs give isk, faction does not.
They are adults and should be able to cope with having to wait in a video game? |
Repe Susi
Rautaleijona Top Men.
1054
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Posted - 2014.02.28 06:04:00 -
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We sync because it's unusual for us to have more than 6 members online and when we do, it's fun to get all the people in the same match. If we don't get in same side, it's even more fun to fight against your own guys in the same battle. Also we try to organize 'theme-nights' to encourage more members to log in and play. RA-LE has record of 11 people online at the same time so naturally we try to q-sync.
Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
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emtbraincase
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
61
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Posted - 2014.02.28 06:06:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:C Saunders wrote:Say you corp has 8 players online. Do you make a squad then leave 2 guys out or do you make 2 squads of 4 and que-sync.
With Tech Guard at-least we que sync so everyone can play together. Pubs give isk, faction does not. They are adults and should be able to cope with having to wait in a video game? wait for what? Maybe all 6 just got on 5 minutes ago and gonna roll for 2-3 hrs. Should 1 sqd penalize themselves because a corpmate got on, or just bring 1 more into the match with them splitting into a 3 and 4 man sqd. Only option is wait an indefinite period of time, split sqd and run together, or run solo pubs. Only 1 option sounds appealing to me, but maybe an adult would find worth in the other 2. |
Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1742
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Posted - 2014.02.28 06:20:00 -
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Meta level never comes into it. Subdreddit takes out opposing proto-bear teams in pubs all the time while using very little proto, since we abandoned PC a long time ago and just can't afford to throw isk out the window like it isn't worth anything. It's the teamwork that makes syncs worth doing.
And it's exactly the same as complaining about people joining squads, you just move up the food chain where instead of looking at a player as one game unit you look at a squad as a unit. Take two teams where one side has a full squad of teamwork oriented players and the rest of the players are disorganized blueberries. The team with the squad will win, period. The same thing happens when you have one squad on one side and two on the other. All this thread is, is "abloo bloo, they brought one more squad than we did".
Saying that the comparison is invalid because there's no mechanic yet for forming a team as a unit before pressing the find match button is flat out silly. Team deploy is coming, whether or not scotty currently has the ability to put two squads into the same team is irrelevant. All that means is soon it will be even *easier* to deploy an entire team at once. Right now when you try to sync you've got about a 50/50 chance that your squads will be on opposite teams, so means you get to trash talk each other which is hilarious (ask me about the time I killed Dent 10 times during a match from the side turret of an assault dropship, laughing and calling his name when I spotted him). When team deploy arrives this won't happen unless we're actually trying to fight each other.
Syncing is *not* hard, all you need is a shared channel to talk in and make sure both squad leads press the button at the same time. You're all basically coming into an mmofps and complaining that you're getting rolled by people who are being more social than you. The squad finder is handy, but it's just a convenience...you need to go and actually talk to people to take your game to the next level. When the big Caldari FW / State SOCOM push was happening that's what we did...we had a big channel where squads of people who didn't really know each other would sync up. The only thing stopping you from doing the same thing is you. |
HYENAKILLER X
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
640
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Posted - 2014.02.28 06:30:00 -
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Squad syncing is basically a bunch of rich pusssies scared to fight eachother. They became to chatty and now they think they are one big family.
Just call squad syncing "group moisting"
Tanks are for pussies.
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THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
529
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Posted - 2014.02.28 06:34:00 -
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Toby Flenderson wrote:I've basically just started leaving matches against corps que-syncing into pub matches to proto stomp. What I don't understand is why they need more than a squad of 6 to turn the tides of the battle or why they use proto when they have 10+ organized players. It really just seems like overkill. Is it even fun? I get bored enough if my team redlines the enemy halfway through the match let alone within the first minute.
Is there something wrong with trying to prevent this from happening or am I right in assuming most of the community looks down on the practice as pathetic? I doubt many corp que-syncs pubs. The likelyhood of them being on the same team is the same as being on opposite teams.
I play with people all over the Dust community and with some corps that have a high amount of player activity when squadding with them I often have games where we will be on the same side and opposite side of games all the time.
Corps like NS, FA, AE, TP, STB, etc. don't que sync pubs. It doesn't mean that occasionally they won't end up on the same side, but they don't do it on purpose.
Director of ZionTCD
Amarr Logi | Amarr Sentinel | Amarr Scout (SoonGäó)
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THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
529
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Posted - 2014.02.28 06:34:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Squad syncing is basically a bunch of rich pusssies scared to fight eachother. They became to chatty and now they think they are one big family.
Just call squad syncing "group moisting" I haven't seen anyone this anally frustrated in well over a month. Congrats!
Director of ZionTCD
Amarr Logi | Amarr Sentinel | Amarr Scout (SoonGäó)
TDBS
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HYENAKILLER X
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
641
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Posted - 2014.02.28 11:31:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:Squad syncing is basically a bunch of rich pusssies scared to fight eachother. They became to chatty and now they think they are one big family.
Just call squad syncing "group moisting" I haven't seen anyone this anally frustrated in well over a month. Congrats! You're super observant. You moist bro?
Tanks are for pussies.
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abarkrishna
WarRavens
317
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Posted - 2014.02.28 11:46:00 -
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For the record I was never a blue. I have been playing since closed beta. My current corp saw how good I was in a pub match and suggested I join. As my corp at the time had lost a lot of players I was all for it.
I never go into a match with less than 3 others with me in my squad. To do so is terrible tactics and will likely lead to a lot more deaths.
Like I said communication and cohesion are very much needed in a competitive environment.
How often do you see 5 one man squads do well in a match compared to a squad with teamwork and communication? Wouldn't you like to increase your odds of winning? I know I do not like to lose so why wouldn't I do something to help the chances?
No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2.
When will they learn!
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Leonid Tybalt
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
276
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Posted - 2014.02.28 11:57:00 -
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echo47 wrote:If people would actually play the game and not get intimidated before the game even starts, or quit half way through it would not be so bad. A lot of them are not as good as you think they are, this is why they que-sync to begin with. Safety in numbers.
Ever stopped to consider that quesynching is pretty much the only method corporations have to practice for PC matches? PC matches have timers, you can't usually just start one up with the snap of your fingers.
So what are you gonna do to, for instance train new members in the workings of a PC battle (where the acting commander has to micromanage and dish out orders for an entire team and not just a measly little squad)?
It's not like any of the good corps out there use pubs as a source of income (the rewards for public matches are pathetic compared to PC) |
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KatanaPT
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
513
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Posted - 2014.02.28 11:57:00 -
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Blame CCP on removing Corp Battles or offering any other way of a corp to play togheter without endagering innocent bystanders. (PVE)
Tech Guard Recruiting Spot
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Shadow Archeus
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
299
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:07:00 -
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The only thing you SHOULD be able to que sync is fw and PC
Pub matchmaking should make this impossible
Its pathetic and I've just started leaving matches as well.....when NOBODY is from an NPC corp on one team and there's only one person NOT in an NPC corp on the other side matchmaking is broken
And for those that say we should have team deploy for pubs..... 1. Player base is NOT large enough 2. The market is FLOODED with isk from corps that lock all their districts in PC....the team with more isk remains upbeat and doesn't give up as easily as us "REGULAR" players 3. Que syncing is already causing huge balance issues
Its not like I don't want to see team deploy but right now its a horrible idea
Real heavies use lasers
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
298
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:07:00 -
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low genius wrote:sometimes it's nice to be able to play with your buddies.
I agree, but they usually run proto, at least in my experience. It wouldn't be a problem if they all didn't run proto but it's really overwhelming expecting an organized/proto swarm of reds around every corner all the time.
It just seems like a bit much, but I agree, it probably would be a lot of fun. |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
298
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:09:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:How do you determine the meta level of a person if they have a ton of proto fiys, but run the one standard fit mainly?
Or the guy with a ton of standard and militia fits but primarily runs their one proto fit?
It's a good idea, but it would have a hard time telling if somebody was cheating the system to stomp in lower meta level matches. First thought would be you select what suits you take into battle. So while you may have a lot of fittings you can't take them all which makes sense. If you include a pro suit in the list you won't receive anything less than an adv meta game. So if you chose militia/std gear then you would get those matches with the max meta of 3, etc etc.
I always thought it was weird that dust allowed you to use virtually any suit and even alter them mid-match. Limiting the number of suits may be weird but it would be a step closer to having matches of "no proto". +1 |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
298
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:12:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Life is too short to sit around for 10 minutes waiting on everybody to get their crap together to qsync, just start a squad, make it public, let random people join, meet new people, get your hands dirty and leave your ego at the door and have FUN....
It is a game.....
If more people felt this way I'm sure the average match would be better for everyone.
PS: I feel I must credit you and your videos for my choice of the Minmatar Assault suit/SMG role. Some of the best advice I've seen on youtube haha. +1 to you sir, you are ahead of your time for sure. |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
298
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:14:00 -
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abarkrishna wrote:Allow me to explain it to you. Blues are ******* stupid. They annoy us and tend to do very stupid things. Instead of playing with them we would rather play with competent players who know how to play their role and actually communicate with each other.
Plus it's easier to counter scrubby tank spammers with 2 full squads than one. The good corps tend to have much more AV. :P
I understand that blueberries are annoying but it still doesn't explain why people tend to always run their best fits while they sync. It's clearly just a massive "**** ALL" stomp at that point. If I'm unfairly generalizing those that sync, I apologize, it's just what I've experienced.
The AV argument is very good though. I only seem to have luck with tank hunting with at least 2-3 other squad mates and they're not always around the same area to attack the same tank. |
stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
1187
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:15:00 -
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Qsyncing FW is very easy to do but Qsyncing pubs is 50/50 that you face each other thats if you even get in the same match. I prefer running solo unless my corpmates ask to squad with me, but ambush does get frustrating when I go 20-1 and my team still loses the match because 6-8 guys decided to get 0-1 kills and use half the clones which happens about 50% of the time.
STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
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The Attorney General
2369
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:21:00 -
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Q syncinc pubs is for scrubs.
Anyone who defends it is bad and should feel bad.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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KatanaPT
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
513
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:28:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:How do you determine the meta level of a person if they have a ton of proto fiys, but run the one standard fit mainly?
Or the guy with a ton of standard and militia fits but primarily runs their one proto fit?
It's a good idea, but it would have a hard time telling if somebody was cheating the system to stomp in lower meta level matches. First thought would be you select what suits you take into battle. So while you may have a lot of fittings you can't take them all which makes sense. If you include a pro suit in the list you won't receive anything less than an adv meta game. So if you chose militia/std gear then you would get those matches with the max meta of 3, etc etc.
On that subject... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=143419
where i suggest matchmaking by gear. In there i had a feeling that some of the proto users really dont want to let go of easy kills...
Tech Guard Recruiting Spot
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stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
1188
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:32:00 -
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KatanaPT wrote:Fraceska wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:How do you determine the meta level of a person if they have a ton of proto fiys, but run the one standard fit mainly?
Or the guy with a ton of standard and militia fits but primarily runs their one proto fit?
It's a good idea, but it would have a hard time telling if somebody was cheating the system to stomp in lower meta level matches. First thought would be you select what suits you take into battle. So while you may have a lot of fittings you can't take them all which makes sense. If you include a pro suit in the list you won't receive anything less than an adv meta game. So if you chose militia/std gear then you would get those matches with the max meta of 3, etc etc. On that subject... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=143419where i suggest matchmaking by gear. In there i had a feeling that some of the proto users really dont want to let go of easy kills... I would love proto suit and weapon only matches.
STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
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KatanaPT
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
513
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:35:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:KatanaPT wrote:Fraceska wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:How do you determine the meta level of a person if they have a ton of proto fiys, but run the one standard fit mainly?
Or the guy with a ton of standard and militia fits but primarily runs their one proto fit?
It's a good idea, but it would have a hard time telling if somebody was cheating the system to stomp in lower meta level matches. First thought would be you select what suits you take into battle. So while you may have a lot of fittings you can't take them all which makes sense. If you include a pro suit in the list you won't receive anything less than an adv meta game. So if you chose militia/std gear then you would get those matches with the max meta of 3, etc etc. On that subject... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=143419where i suggest matchmaking by gear. In there i had a feeling that some of the proto users really dont want to let go of easy kills... I would love proto suit and weapon only matches.
Post on that topic, let the suggestion pass around. But i doubt it will reach anything, too many butthurt protousers dont want their targets running away.
Tech Guard Recruiting Spot
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abarkrishna
WarRavens
318
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:37:00 -
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I personally like to run better stuff because we balance our squads well. With people running needles its less likely to actually lose a suit. It minimizes the risk of losing the suit. If i can run proto get 15 kills and only lose one suit I am making profit. It's a legit tactic. Logi suits are expensive. I don't see people complaining when I pick them up with a proto needle.
No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2.
When will they learn!
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Mikey The Bandaid
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
186
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Posted - 2014.02.28 13:01:00 -
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We like to q sync fw matches, usually for either Caldari or Amarr because they never seen to win (and there is usually q syncd squads fighting against us). Every once in a while we throw in a pub in between, to make some of our isk back, and Scotty puts us against each other. We LOVE killing each other :) |
CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1040
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:25:00 -
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First of all, we very rarely run proto in pubs.
We q sync more now for one reason and one reason only as I think a lot of other corps do regardless of gear used.
It really sucks when you get into a match with a six man squad, the other team has a six man squad that people know run proto 24/7. Most of our blue dots grab sniper rifles or drive around in LAV's basically doing nothing. Leading us to an azz kicking not because of gear, but you only have 6-8 guys really trying against the odds, and laying down is not our style.
I would rather run basic gear and try than run and hide and cry "protowolf" and have a respectful defeat. Don't throw the expensive equipment excuse around either as a means to hide in the redline or MCC, I run fits that run around 8-12K most of the time in pubs and go positive most of the time. Can you stop proto use in pubs? no. Can you try to support the guys on your team really trying that have more skill than you? yes. Keep uplinks on the field, throw nanohives around, do something other than go 0/6 sniping. 0/6 running links and a needle is more preferred, and gets you more WP and more isk that you cry about.
We Q sync cause we want to play with guys that we know will stand and fight when the odds are stacked against us, not run chicken at the sight of a proto slayer Logi.
Say what you want but, I find honour in defeat when we put up a fight rather than crawl like a snake back to the redline. Who knows, maybe with a little support from our blues, we would pull out proto suits to even the odds a little for you guys, but those matches are few and far between. I am sure this is the reasoning for a lot of Q synching by larger corps.
Apologies in advance...
CEO
Whiskey squad leader
Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
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The Attorney General
2377
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:28:00 -
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Good corps don't q sync pubs.
If you Q, you should be in FW.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1041
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:42:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Good corps don't q sync pubs.
If you Q, you should be in FW.
Every corp syncs in all game modes from time to time, everyone, but yes FW is where we do most of it as FW is a chicken fest most of the time unless you find another q'ed team.
CEO
Whiskey squad leader
Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
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ALT2 acc
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:47:00 -
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Toby Flenderson wrote:I've basically just started leaving matches against corps que-syncing into pub matches to proto stomp. What I don't understand is why they need more than a squad of 6 to turn the tides of the battle or why they use proto when they have 10+ organized players. It really just seems like overkill. Is it even fun? I get bored enough if my team redlines the enemy halfway through the match let alone within the first minute.
Is there something wrong with trying to prevent this from happening or am I right in assuming most of the community looks down on the practice as pathetic? If it mames you feel any better, q-syncing stands for quer-syncing.
Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1742
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:04:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:I've basically just started leaving matches against corps que-syncing into pub matches to proto stomp. What I don't understand is why they need more than a squad of 6 to turn the tides of the battle or why they use proto when they have 10+ organized players. It really just seems like overkill. Is it even fun? I get bored enough if my team redlines the enemy halfway through the match let alone within the first minute.
Is there something wrong with trying to prevent this from happening or am I right in assuming most of the community looks down on the practice as pathetic? Not trying to insult. Honest suggestion: instead of quitting, hide from proto stompers and encourage the team to do the same - give them an empty game of redline sniping. Let them waste 10 min to get 20 kills. Action, not words.
Yes, blue ball them. Works on HAVs also. If you fight like they want you to then you are going to lose. I get stomped on half the time I play, it isn't so bad as peoe make it out to be. Just device the systems up by sec stat and let the sec stat dictate what the total meta of a fit. Default training area and a place where protostomps are impossible.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
158
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:11:00 -
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definately worth of a new thread. does the community look down on this = who the F cares except ppl who play forums all day.
TLDR this community sux you shouldn't use them as a measuring stick of what should be looked down on
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
3636
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:12:00 -
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If you sign on to play with your friends, you should be able to play with your friends. That's the reason you teamed up, I'd think. Unless the reason is because you're a super-elite-MLG-bound corp of serious folks. I mean, would people complain if the same group of people always played together in any other game?(OMG, STOP HAVING FRIENDS!) What exactly is the request here? Be less social? If there were options to do PvE raids together, I bet we'd be doing that too. Asking people to avoid playing together out of some sense of fairness is silly. Relative to PC isk faucets and various other game "exploits", teamwork doesn't even rate. Team deploy is coming either way, so the intended scope of the other team will at some point approach a full-16 by developer intent. Get used to it?
On that note, how many corps realistically get on the PC isk faucet? For every corp that doesn't have the numbers, inclination, skill, or time to PC, they can't only do FW because they can't actually make any money doing it. You get literally 0 ISK.
That said, if you are in pubs to make money, odds are you're not out to die a lot in a PRO fit. I like to run BPO fits regardless of mode. I'd be fine with a gear-limits/brackets in Pub matches (STD and lower vs. Anything goes probably makes the most sense right now). I don't think of playing with your friends as being an effort to proto-stomp, it would be just as much fun if everyone was wearing starter fits, imho. I think it's a lot of fun when we're on opposite sides. I don't think people have the patience to repeatedly attempt to get together in a pub match normally anyhow.
It's a game. If you're going to log on, I would think it would be out of desire to have fun with your friends. There's literally nothing to this game other than a lobby team-deathmatch shooter that's barely changed since before release. Socializing is the only thing that makes playing it worthwhile. I know I don't login for the graphics, balanced gameplay, or huge map and tactics variety.
Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
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