If people would actually play the game and not get intimidated before the game even starts, or quit half way through it would not be so bad. A lot of them are not as good as you think they are, this is why they que-sync to begin with. Safety in numbers.

I agree with you entirely- it's truly pathetic. However, a bunch of vets are about to come out of the woodwork shrieking "HTFU queue sync or go back to COD" and some blather about how it should encourage newbies to corp up. Just so you know.

Not trying to insult. Honest suggestion: instead of quitting, hide from proto stompers and encourage the team to do the same - give them an empty game of redline sniping. Let them waste 10 min to get 20 kills. Action, not words.

OP

Pubs or FW?

It's to minimize the chances of them losing significant ISK. So they stack the odds in their favor to come out positive in the end without a true challenge. Notice how if they come across another stacked team they leave. Why? Because now the chances of them losing have increased. It would take modifications to the match making process. Perhaps if you're in a squad it averages out the total meta and places you in matches that meets the meta requirement.

People sync when they can because it's more fun when you've got a full team of people willing to play as a team, and because it makes the game actually fun when you get matched against a stacked team (synched or otherwise). Outside of PC, which is a hilariously bad and broken game mode, it's the only way to practice working as a team with your team.

This whole QQ thread is basically the same as calling people out for joining a squad of people they know instead of going into battles solo.

sometimes it's nice to be able to play with your buddies.

First thought would be you select what suits you take into battle. So while you may have a lot of fittings you can't take them all which makes sense. If you include a pro suit in the list you won't receive anything less than an adv meta game. So if you chose militia/std gear then you would get those matches with the max meta of 3, etc etc.

Life is too short to sit around for 10 minutes waiting on everybody to get their crap together to qsync, just start a squad, make it public, let random people join, meet new people, get your hands dirty and leave your ego at the door and have FUN....


It is a game.....

Allow me to explain it to you.
Blues are ******* stupid. They annoy us and tend to do very stupid things. Instead of playing with them we would rather play with competent players who know how to play their role and actually communicate with each other.

Plus it's easier to counter scrubby tank spammers with 2 full squads than one. The good corps tend to have much more AV.
:P

if you see us with 8-12 in a match, it's because we have 8 -12 corpmates actively playing. We are in a corp together because we like playing together, or at worst chatting. If everyone is in a different game it can get confusing.

Do some of us run proto regularly, Yes. But they would've done that anyway.

Do some of us rarely run full-on proto, absolutely. I ALWAYS carry a proto rep, but the rest varies on specific suits which are rarely above Adv. (Almost all have it but never use it except for "special" occasions, maybe 1-2 suits a day)

So I have to ask....If you have 12 friends on at once, why wouldn't you play on the same side?

We like to q sync fw matches, usually for either Caldari or Amarr because they never seen to win (and there is usually q syncd squads fighting against us). Every once in a while we throw in a pub in between, to make some of our isk back, and Scotty puts us against each other. We LOVE killing each other :)

definately worth of a new thread. does the community look down on this = who the F cares except ppl who play forums all day.

TLDR this community sux you shouldn't use them as a measuring stick of what should be looked down on

Horrible idea, anything that limits choice is horrible.

yes you are wrong it is generally a commonly accepted practice
q-syncing is used to learning to operate better as a team ie practice for pc

though some scrub corps do it for an easy win
but thats why they are srubs

also its more fun to play with more freinds

- also a great way to counter proto stomping corps like AE & OH


also the corps that only have like only std and adv gear players do it for wins and for the above reason


also Dark Legion discourages its players not to redline
at least most of us follow it

A synched team isn't necessarily a sign that you're about to get stomped. Sometimes what you're looking at is a pile of drunk dudes with tunnel vision. There's been a few times where I've gone into a skirmish alone against two organized, wealthy squads and we won. What happened was I put on my uplink / hacker suit, called in a lav and drove around capturing things and keeping the other team off balance. They could have easily won if they'd left defenders instead of massing up into a wrecking ball, but people don't always play smart.

I make bank on those kinds of matches, since I score more WP than anyone else in the match and do it in militia suits.

I can accept that, problem atm is player base size is too small to support other game modes, probably, I could easily be wrong.

If you sign on to play with your friends, you should be able to play with your friends. That's the reason you teamed up, I'd think. Unless the reason is because you're a super-elite-MLG-bound corp of serious folks. I mean, would people complain if the same group of people always played together in any other game?(OMG, STOP HAVING FRIENDS!) What exactly is the request here? Be less social? If there were options to do PvE raids together, I bet we'd be doing that too. Asking people to avoid playing together out of some sense of fairness is silly. Relative to PC isk faucets and various other game "exploits", teamwork doesn't even rate. Team deploy is coming either way, so the intended scope of the other team will at some point approach a full-16 by developer intent. Get used to it?

On that note, how many corps realistically get on the PC isk faucet? For every corp that doesn't have the numbers, inclination, skill, or time to PC, they can't only do FW because they can't actually make any money doing it. You get literally 0 ISK.

That said, if you are in pubs to make money, odds are you're not out to die a lot in a PRO fit. I like to run BPO fits regardless of mode. I'd be fine with a gear-limits/brackets in Pub matches (STD and lower vs. Anything goes probably makes the most sense right now). I don't think of playing with your friends as being an effort to proto-stomp, it would be just as much fun if everyone was wearing starter fits, imho. I think it's a lot of fun when we're on opposite sides. I don't think people have the patience to repeatedly attempt to get together in a pub match normally anyhow.

It's a game. If you're going to log on, I would think it would be out of desire to have fun with your friends. There's literally nothing to this game other than a lobby team-deathmatch shooter that's barely changed since before release. Socializing is the only thing that makes playing it worthwhile. I know I don't login for the graphics, balanced gameplay, or huge map and tactics variety.

There are multiple issues here....

- Corps may have more than 6 wanting to play together, so no choice but to sync
and FW can be an ISK sink that some players aren't interested in so they use Pubs

- Ideally, you could say they should run lower level gear but this causes issues...
eg. There is a few proto's on enemy team, that will cut through your sync with better gear

- Player effort. I had a game a few days ago with 2 squads on red side, 3 in a squad on mine
Both squads on red team ran proto gear, EZ win... then one of those squads ended up on my team
In a more evenly matched battle, where they suddenly ditched the proto gear and despite my
3-man squad holding Alpha all game, the 'Proto' squad was incapable of holding another
As they did not want to risk gear V an organised team .... typical

There is no easy fix to this as both sides want to win, and some hate losing gear more than others

Wow... A lot of butthurt is occurring in this topic. Well, as CEO of the Outlaws, I can say we've q synced every mode together and I can care less what anyone thinks bout it. My corp mates are awesome and I love playing with all Of them. As someone alluded to earlier, if there's 9 people on, we are Not going to leave 3 out just so that players who cannot find good squad mates will be happy.

We only q sync in pubs when we want ISK. We don't play PC cause its a cheap, horribly thought out mode which is no fun. So once we sink a **** ton of risk into FW, we play pubs. If we're together, awesome, and if we face eachother, still awesome. We don't all proto stomp but I'm not gonna tell my guys to specifically not do it. They can use suits however they want. Squads of mine have beaten proto suits with BPO Gear or ADV gear. Player skill means a lot more than gear, and if you didn't believe that, then you're either not very good or need to find capable squad mates to help you. This is a team game. Tactics are extremely important. I think the OP meant well but seems misinformed as to how this game works best. It works best with friends. I don't play dust for gameplay or graphics, if I did I wouldn't be playing dust. I play for my corp... And raspberries who are unprepared will have to deal with it.

If you are not social or a team player, then don't play a team oriented game like dust. COD is calling for you.

teamdeploy = 16 man tear harvesting

why would i play with random crap scrubs instead of friends and corp mates?...smh. some peoples buttholes are about to get reemed extra wide when teamdeploy gets here

If you don't que sync, that's your choice. But you're not going to stop people from wanting to play with all of their friends. You can cry about it all you want but team deploy is coming. Adapt to the game or die.

Take twelve of your friends and go against twelve Nyain San and get back to me with the results of your no challenge.
Please...

No, it is not....but thanks for the effort. I play to hang out with friends and shoot other people. Nothing about the level of challenge or even the name of the opponents matter to me. My sqd/teammates may check, but I never do cuz IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEIR NAME IS. I spawn, run with friends, leave finished lobby, then do it again. I only care about who the opponent is after the result, as I have found that knowing beforehand generally impacts my match negatively (regardless of my opinion of them).

So you can try again, but I will ask again, why wouldn't I want to run with 6-11 other friends?

P.S. I would bet almost anything that you never once said that you are entering a match looking for a challenge, but that instead you hoped your team came out on top, regardless of other factors. If you say you would prefer a loss in a challenging match (meaning u just dumped a mountain of isk since what is challenging if you don't fail/succeed equally) to redlining a team after a bit of effort, I gotta call you a liar.

Actually, I'd say that's exactly what it is. At least, in Subdreddit, the main draw of the corp is hanging out and playing some casual videogames together. We all hang out in corp chat, and then hop into games together. Since we don't want to have to break out into seperate groups and split up the "hangout," we generally try to qsync into matches together so we can continue to hangout, shoot the ****, drink beers, and goof off as a group. We end up Qsyncing into Pub matches when people want to make some ISK after burning through it in FW. Since FW is now designed to be an ISK sync, CCP has managed to pull us out of FW where we used to live and is forcing us into playing pubs too.

On the other hand, often when we do come up against another group of qsync'd players, they'll back out of the match when they see they actually have competition. So, there's definitely a large element of other corps who's motivations appear to be different than our own.

Wow, an actual rational explanation that doesn't involve some underdog-complex.

GTFO.

If you have a good team that fights hard and is competitive, it could be fun. If your whole team is wearing militia gear and most of them begin staying in the redline... don't bother.

Depending on how long you've been in the match or how many times you've died, i suggest you stay safe and wait until it ends so you'll get paid and earn some SP. It's not good, but when there's no point in trying... the matchmaking system is to blame.

too too bad ccp stated about 2 weeks ago in one of those weekly thread things they do, "they have no current plans of corp battles returning"

um not to be the bearer of bad news but um yea you should be punished for doing so
this is a squad based tactics FPS not COD or BF4 thats why we hav the squad machanich
and if you choose to roll solo thats cool but you might want to invest some sp and a low slot into profile dampeners if you are roling solo

if you ar a medium suit ( i exect most scouts to run solo unles they are runnign with scouts or freinds/corpies)

and if you are a heave and roll solo you are an idiot

LOL What in the world??

It's quite interesting that the new QQ topic of the month, pre 1.8, is teamwork is OP. It's truly baffling that it has come down to this. With some things, I can understand, it's harsh. But to outright complain about enemies who have friends joining them in their efforts is just downright detestable. Sometimes you gotta clutch your peanuts and go for broke, you know?

Then you say the practice is pathetic...lol!

I hope folks that have these type of complaints don't go anywhere near PC when that gets fixed. Can you imagine the threads then?

like i said man not all of those who do it do it for fun or practice just like not everyone always lock their districts
and i would be lieing if i said ive never heard a reind say while q-syncing that they are glad for the easy win

i personally play dust for competition not to just win and make isk tho i do need to do the latter two to be able to do the first lol

^^ This. I pretty much only run BPO suits with proto reps and such and when I Qsync, its because there are at least 12 Vanguardians on, with whom I really enjoy playing.

I was only ever in one Qsync where the squad leaders were tryharding. It was the worst gaming experience I've ever had. Egos, drama, whining, rage quitting, etc.

EDIT: FWIW, I don't Qsync if I'm squad leading. It is too much of a hassle and I would rather just go in with one full squad and kill stuff , rather than the whole, "got scottied, leave battle","we're on opposite sides, leave battle","we didn't sync, leave battle."

It's been said but I will say it again.

The reason I play Dust is because I like playing with my corp mates.
We want to play together.
FW doesn't give ISK.

So we que sync.


Most of the time we have to fight against eachother anyway.

It's still fun.

You may not like what he said but the truth is, there are players who are bound to tactics and teamwork. If you can't handle that, then this game is not going to be fun for you because those guys employ that in their gameplay day in and day out. And its not about convincing, its about aligning with a corporation that is a good fit for you. Corporations are the lifeblood in Dust. Sure you can go solo and sure you can stay in NPC corps. But to get a broader experience, a corporation is needed. Especially for new players who need constant advice and buddies to help them get acclimated to a unforgiving universe that will gouge your eyes out and skullfuck you if you're not ready.

You get your butt whooped in any FPS title but a butt whooping coming from a organized, tactical team in Dust 514 leaves a much more sour taste in your mouth when you've lost. You won't have a chance to breathe. You have to be prepared for that. If not, life in New Eden is going to be rough for the uninitiated

No, there isn't a difference. If we log in to 9 players on at the same time, and we're all chatting in corp-chat, then we need to queue-sync to stay together. It's hardly "cheating the matchmaking" to use something that's worked since before launch either. They literally had since before launch to fix this if it was something that really bothered them. Instead... they want the opposite. You're ignoring the fact that team-deploy is an intended feature they want to put in. So, queue-syncing is closer to intended gameplay than not. You're saying that "teamwork" is cheating. I'd say it's entirely possibly more Subdreddit players will cause a team to lose anyway.



You don't have to "try" to beat the matchmaking. How long do you think people spend trying to queue-sync?

Just to be able to "chat" with more friends? NO. Just to be able to PLAY AND CHAT with more of your friends. It is a game, and we show up to play and talk with our friends, and nothing more. What you're asking of us is the equivalent of 7 friends showing up at a house, and the host saying... well, we could play a networked game of two teams.. but the teams would be uneven. Instead, let's have three of you go play by yourselves instead of hanging out or playing with us. That's why we wouldn't do that. Because we're not in the business of excluding friends.

You're also kidding yourself if you think it's a "more balanced" match without doing so. Let's say Subdreddit decides, "let's not offend Toby, he's totally got the moral high ground in his friendless world." One squad queues up, the rest of the team fills out with random unsquaded people. The other sides fills up, and they have two squads of 6 from two different corps. How different is that from two same corp squads? Neither side queued, but the one that could've certainly got screwed if you consider two full squads an advantage. How much of an advantage does two full (not-same-corp) squads have on two corp squads? How about two not full corp squads? Is that too much of an advantage? That whole argument is full of fecal matter.



Ah... so you ran across squads that cared enough about their friends to wait and play with them, and you were like "F*ck friendship!" and got out of there. It sounds like you have different priorities. I can only speak to Subdreddit. We like to play with our friends. And lose games.

The future will look more like queue-syncing with team deploy. You should probably get used to it.

But the game is boring either way. I think for a good majority of our corp, the only thing that draws us in to play is our corpmates. The game itself is terrible, regardless if you're playing solo, or with 11 other people. However, it's free and it's a game every member of Subdreddit owns. So, it's boring with 6, it's boring with 11... unless you go out of your way to make it fun. One of the easiest ways to make it fun is to have a lot of guys on comms hanging out. Then it doesn't matter what's happening in the match, because you're there to hangout... the shooty-face is just something to do.

If this was already a great game, with awesome mechanics, good gameplay balance, interesting game modes, and a high level of competitiveness then you might have a point. It's none of those things. It's a janky, half finished, unbalanced, laggy, glitchy, mess of a game, and the thing keeping it on life support are the people who keep coming back and supporting it, regardless of how terrible it is. For many of us, the reason to come is the corporation system and the Voice Chat features.

I'd personally be fine with the idea of a separate queue for team deploy, but honestly I think it would do more harm than good. Players should be heavily encouraged to take advantage and participate in the backbone of the game(corporations), and if a new player never sees corporations exist because they're just queueing up against other lonewolves and all the corps are off playing by themselves, then those new players are going to miss out on the only redeeming quality of the game. Of course, I also think the corporation aspects of the game need to be highlighted much more clearly to new players as well. There should be unavoidable info graphic pages when you log in that show you what corps are gaining the most LP, which corps are taking and losing districts, "hot" corps that are gaining lots of members, etc. It's a real disservice to the game that CCP doesn't do a better job leveraging corporations.