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Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:12:00 -
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KatanaPT wrote:Blame CCP on removing Corp Battles or offering any other way of a corp to play togheter without endagering innocent bystanders. (PVE) noobs getting stomped is good for business. who's gonna buy arrum? definately not a disgruntled community elder..
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
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ALT2 acc
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:16:00 -
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Zirzo Valcyn wrote:KatanaPT wrote:Blame CCP on removing Corp Battles or offering any other way of a corp to play togheter without endagering innocent bystanders. (PVE) noobs getting stomped is good for business. who's gonna buy arrum? definately not a disgruntled community elder.. *****. Syhcing is stupid
Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
394
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:20:00 -
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echo47 wrote:If people would actually play the game and not get intimidated before the game even starts, or quit half way through it would not be so bad. A lot of them are not as good as you think they are, this is why they que-sync to begin with. Safety in numbers. I agree 100% with this, I remeber names I thought were unstoppable in dust till I got a few mil sp and caught them 1v1, the qsync dont bother me, proto stomping doesnt bother me personally but I think its bad for dust. |
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
394
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:21:00 -
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Zirzo Valcyn wrote:KatanaPT wrote:Blame CCP on removing Corp Battles or offering any other way of a corp to play togheter without endagering innocent bystanders. (PVE) noobs getting stomped is good for business. who's gonna buy arrum? definately not a disgruntled community elder.. Completely untrue. |
Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
158
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:23:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Zirzo Valcyn wrote:KatanaPT wrote:Blame CCP on removing Corp Battles or offering any other way of a corp to play togheter without endagering innocent bystanders. (PVE) noobs getting stomped is good for business. who's gonna buy arrum? definately not a disgruntled community elder.. Completely untrue. i agree but CCPs reluctance to add a fun MLT only mode for everyone speaks for it self. there is no baby pool it's sink or swim or buy arrum or gtfo
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
3637
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:23:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:echo47 wrote:If people would actually play the game and not get intimidated before the game even starts, or quit half way through it would not be so bad. A lot of them are not as good as you think they are, this is why they que-sync to begin with. Safety in numbers. I agree 100% with this, I remeber names I thought were unstoppable in dust till I got a few mil sp and caught them 1v1, the qsync dont bother me, proto stomping doesnt bother me personally but I think its bad for dust.
I, for one, am horrible and easy to kill. Reddit made me a good forum warrior, not a shooter-savant.
Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
394
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:23:00 -
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Toby Flenderson wrote:Fraceska wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:How do you determine the meta level of a person if they have a ton of proto fiys, but run the one standard fit mainly?
Or the guy with a ton of standard and militia fits but primarily runs their one proto fit?
It's a good idea, but it would have a hard time telling if somebody was cheating the system to stomp in lower meta level matches. First thought would be you select what suits you take into battle. So while you may have a lot of fittings you can't take them all which makes sense. If you include a pro suit in the list you won't receive anything less than an adv meta game. So if you chose militia/std gear then you would get those matches with the max meta of 3, etc etc. I always thought it was weird that dust allowed you to use virtually any suit and even alter them mid-match. Limiting the number of suits may be weird but it would be a step closer to having matches of "no proto". +1 Horrible idea, anything that limits choice is horrible. |
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
394
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:28:00 -
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Zirzo Valcyn wrote:INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Zirzo Valcyn wrote:KatanaPT wrote:Blame CCP on removing Corp Battles or offering any other way of a corp to play togheter without endagering innocent bystanders. (PVE) noobs getting stomped is good for business. who's gonna buy arrum? definately not a disgruntled community elder.. Completely untrue. i agree but CCPs reluctance to add a fun MLT only mode for everyone speaks for it self. there is no baby pool it's sink or swim or buy arrum or gtfo I buy aur **** all the time cause its fun, not to mention boosters, protostomping, is not good for business if it was, wed have busted the server with new players we arent, what we are doing is having people make multiple accounts daily to farm isk to sustain their proto habits, isk isnt as free flowing as you might think, dont forget top corps still have to pay their players. |
Turtle Hermit Roshi
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
188
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Posted - 2014.02.28 16:31:00 -
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Toby Flenderson wrote:I've basically just started leaving matches against corps que-syncing into pub matches to proto stomp. What I don't understand is why they need more than a squad of 6 to turn the tides of the battle or why they use proto when they have 10+ organized players. It really just seems like overkill. Is it even fun? I get bored enough if my team redlines the enemy halfway through the match let alone within the first minute.
Is there something wrong with trying to prevent this from happening or am I right in assuming most of the community looks down on the practice as pathetic?
yes you are wrong it is generally a commonly accepted practice q-syncing is used to learning to operate better as a team ie practice for pc
though some scrub corps do it for an easy win but thats why they are srubs
also its more fun to play with more freinds
- also a great way to counter proto stomping corps like AE & OH
also the corps that only have like only std and adv gear players do it for wins and for the above reason
also Dark Legion discourages its players not to redline at least most of us follow it
Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for,
welcome to New Eden
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KAMEHAMEHA TANK KILLA
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
300
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:40:00 -
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emtbraincase wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:low genius wrote:sometimes it's nice to be able to play with your buddies.
Squads? How many friends you got that still play? if you see us with 8-12 in a match, it's because we have 8 -12 corpmates actively playing. We are in a corp together because we like playing together, or at worst chatting. If everyone is in a different game it can get confusing. Do some of us run proto regularly, Yes. But they would've done that anyway. Do some of us rarely run full-on proto, absolutely. I ALWAYS carry a proto rep, but the rest varies on specific suits which are rarely above Adv. (Almost all have it but never use it except for "special" occasions, maybe 1-2 suits a day) So I have to ask....If you have 12 friends on at once, why wouldn't you play on the same side? Zero challenge? Is that enough of a reason? |
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2995
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:48:00 -
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It's better than putting up with blueberries hiding all over the place.
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1749
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:53:00 -
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A synched team isn't necessarily a sign that you're about to get stomped. Sometimes what you're looking at is a pile of drunk dudes with tunnel vision. There's been a few times where I've gone into a skirmish alone against two organized, wealthy squads and we won. What happened was I put on my uplink / hacker suit, called in a lav and drove around capturing things and keeping the other team off balance. They could have easily won if they'd left defenders instead of massing up into a wrecking ball, but people don't always play smart.
I make bank on those kinds of matches, since I score more WP than anyone else in the match and do it in militia suits. |
TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
819
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:53:00 -
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There are multiple issues here....
- Corps may have more than 6 wanting to play together, so no choice but to sync and FW can be an ISK sink that some players aren't interested in so they use Pubs
- Ideally, you could say they should run lower level gear but this causes issues... eg. There is a few proto's on enemy team, that will cut through your sync with better gear
- Player effort. I had a game a few days ago with 2 squads on red side, 3 in a squad on mine Both squads on red team ran proto gear, EZ win... then one of those squads ended up on my team In a more evenly matched battle, where they suddenly ditched the proto gear and despite my 3-man squad holding Alpha all game, the 'Proto' squad was incapable of holding another As they did not want to risk gear V an organised team .... typical
There is no easy fix to this as both sides want to win, and some hate losing gear more than others
Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly
Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
301
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:54:00 -
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Mikey The Bandaid wrote:We like to q sync fw matches, usually for either Caldari or Amarr because they never seen to win (and there is usually q syncd squads fighting against us). Every once in a while we throw in a pub in between, to make some of our isk back, and Scotty puts us against each other. We LOVE killing each other :) This is what I was hoping to hear. I've noticed others posting similar responses so I'm glad to see it's not just about winning. Also +1 for you fighting for the underdogs in FW. I don't use anything from them so I run MIn/Gal but I'd be lying if I said I don't feel fortunate that it worked out that way for me |
Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
503
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:56:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:It's better than putting up with blueberries hiding all over the place.
EDIT: Should note that Molon Labe doesn't qsync into pubs.
Then you need to go back and check good sir for I have been that where there were a lot of Molon Labe in the team.
As to the first point then that is all you make of the reds, but that's fine I guess right? Since they're the enemy and it would be an easy game at that point right? No risk but get all the reward? |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
301
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:58:00 -
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Zirzo Valcyn wrote:definately worth of a new thread. does the community look down on this = who the F cares except ppl who play forums all day.
TLDR this community sux you shouldn't use them as a measuring stick of what should be looked down on ^^^^ this guy sux |
HYENAKILLER X
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
641
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:00:00 -
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Everyone knows its cherry picking. Why call it anything else? Like what 3 organized squads in pubs do prepare you for pc.? Smh at these people.
#cherry pickers #moist
Tanks are for pussies.
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
303
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:01:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:Fraceska wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:How do you determine the meta level of a person if they have a ton of proto fiys, but run the one standard fit mainly?
Or the guy with a ton of standard and militia fits but primarily runs their one proto fit?
It's a good idea, but it would have a hard time telling if somebody was cheating the system to stomp in lower meta level matches. First thought would be you select what suits you take into battle. So while you may have a lot of fittings you can't take them all which makes sense. If you include a pro suit in the list you won't receive anything less than an adv meta game. So if you chose militia/std gear then you would get those matches with the max meta of 3, etc etc. I always thought it was weird that dust allowed you to use virtually any suit and even alter them mid-match. Limiting the number of suits may be weird but it would be a step closer to having matches of "no proto". +1 Horrible idea, anything that limits choice is horrible. It would be an added gamemode. That's another choice to make: Regular pub or special gamemode. |
Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
171
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:05:00 -
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If everyones immortal, why are we all fighting eachother? Death has no penalty and thus should have little effect on society. Really the only things that should be punished is mental or physical torture, and we should be A-okay.
Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
303
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:07:00 -
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Turtle Hermit Roshi wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:I've basically just started leaving matches against corps que-syncing into pub matches to proto stomp. What I don't understand is why they need more than a squad of 6 to turn the tides of the battle or why they use proto when they have 10+ organized players. It really just seems like overkill. Is it even fun? I get bored enough if my team redlines the enemy halfway through the match let alone within the first minute.
Is there something wrong with trying to prevent this from happening or am I right in assuming most of the community looks down on the practice as pathetic? yes you are wrong it is generally a commonly accepted practice q-syncing is used to learning to operate better as a team ie practice for pc though some scrub corps do it for an easy win but thats why they are srubs also its more fun to play with more freinds - also a great way to counter proto stomping corps like AE & OH also the corps that only have like only std and adv gear players do it for wins and for the above reason also Dark Legion discourages its players not to redline at least most of us follow it I've played with a few of you before and I enjoyed it. Not calling out any corps, just trying to have a discussion. I think you reiterate some good points for the record. It seems like it comes down to whether or not it's done to make gameplay easier or more fun. I will defend the latter reason but the former seems pretty pathetic. The main reason I broke down and made the thread was because of the mix of proto and syncing. This seems to eliminate any challenge IMO and that's where I stray from believing, in general, that it's done for "haha" fun and more for getting off with an easy victory |
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
396
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:08:00 -
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Toby Flenderson wrote:INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:Fraceska wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:How do you determine the meta level of a person if they have a ton of proto fiys, but run the one standard fit mainly?
Or the guy with a ton of standard and militia fits but primarily runs their one proto fit?
It's a good idea, but it would have a hard time telling if somebody was cheating the system to stomp in lower meta level matches. First thought would be you select what suits you take into battle. So while you may have a lot of fittings you can't take them all which makes sense. If you include a pro suit in the list you won't receive anything less than an adv meta game. So if you chose militia/std gear then you would get those matches with the max meta of 3, etc etc. I always thought it was weird that dust allowed you to use virtually any suit and even alter them mid-match. Limiting the number of suits may be weird but it would be a step closer to having matches of "no proto". +1 Horrible idea, anything that limits choice is horrible. It would be an added gamemode. That's another choice to make: Regular pub or special gamemode. I can accept that, problem atm is player base size is too small to support other game modes, probably, I could easily be wrong. |
Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
504
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:08:00 -
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Hynox Xitio wrote:If everyones immortal, why are we all fighting eachother? Death has no penalty and thus should have little effect on society. Really the only things that should be punished is mental or physical torture, and we should be A-okay.
Not everyone is Immortal. The Jove technology is very hard to do and you need to meet certain requirements for the process to be done anyway. It would in theory create a Technocracy, the rule of the technologically advanced over those who are not. |
Cenex Langly
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
603
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:10:00 -
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Toby Flenderson wrote:I've basically just started leaving matches against corps que-syncing into pub matches to proto stomp. What I don't understand is why they need more than a squad of 6 to turn the tides of the battle or why they use proto when they have 10+ organized players. It really just seems like overkill. Is it even fun? I get bored enough if my team redlines the enemy halfway through the match let alone within the first minute.
Is there something wrong with trying to prevent this from happening or am I right in assuming most of the community looks down on the practice as pathetic?
It's not about the "needing" more players to win matches. It's just that when you have more players that are competent on your side you have a better chance to win.
Think about it like this. Your squad is really good, but the other 10 people in the game are completely ********. They are all running solo, so no one is dropping links, hives, nothing... So you queue-sync (proper way to spell queue btw) just so you can have 12 people instead of just 6 who know how to play. Then your odds of winning are better.
They are fighting the same problem that you are fighting. That problem being the imbalance between infantry and vehicles and between the CR/RR/ScR being OP.
Newb
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
303
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:11:00 -
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Kristoff Atruin wrote:A synched team isn't necessarily a sign that you're about to get stomped. Sometimes what you're looking at is a pile of drunk dudes with tunnel vision. There's been a few times where I've gone into a skirmish alone against two organized, wealthy squads and we won. What happened was I put on my uplink / hacker suit, called in a lav and drove around capturing things and keeping the other team off balance. They could have easily won if they'd left defenders instead of massing up into a wrecking ball, but people don't always play smart.
I make bank on those kinds of matches, since I score more WP than anyone else in the match and do it in militia suits. Last night is when I started leaving because it happened at least 4 times in about 2 hours worth of playing so I was frustrated. I understand it's doable but it's not worth it if they're also running proto. When my first couple deaths are from proto assault RR wielding ck.0s I begin to question whether or not this is going to go well so I check the teams and I see that there are 10 "insert corp here" and I just say screw it. I used to stay and use free suits hoping they'd stop using protos if they lost a few 150k suits but I'm usually wrong |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
303
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:19:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: I can accept that, problem atm is player base size is too small to support other game modes, probably, I could easily be wrong.
I think you're right considering how easy it is to sync. I think it would do a lot to show just how unbalanced curent matches are. I only ever run proto if I'm being stomped and feel like spoiling myself. If I could find a match where it was banned I, and I'm sure most people, would be happier . I think many people that run proto now would stop and switch to the other gamemode leaving the richer players to duke it out in proto in the original mode. The only people that shouldn't support this are the people who run proto hoping to be mismatched against MLT and if they can't deal with it then that means nothing to me .
I feel like I should clarify that I'm not talkin about you, I just mean in general |
Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1750
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:21:00 -
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The most satisfying thing in Dust is getting into that kind of match where they come out hard and heavy with the proto at the start, and through fighting hard and smart grind them down until they're in the redline sniping or switching to free fits. Especially when you finish the match with a profit. When that happens I don't even care if we won or lost. |
Sergeant Sazu
Snow Pirates
9
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:10:00 -
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To those saying "It's just a game, don't be so butthurt": This isn't the 90's anymore. People now put time and effort into progress for today's video games. And then they watch as it means nothing. It's not pathetic, grow up or realize it's 2014.
To those defending the que sync: I have news for you. Not everyone in this game runs with a group, and should not be punished for not doing so. Being social/a team player is difficult for some people. ...Oh, you do it to prevent loss? More news. You wipe out more ISK than your crutch suit is worth. Besides, this game is all about loss, and going to these extremes to prevent it is pretty dang cowardly, and not the point of the game. I mean yeah, it's cool to play with friends, but it's affecting people negatively, and that's what all the complaining is about.
The squad size is was raised to 6. You don't need more.
Plus, when I'm on the same team as que syncers, it's really boring, standing at the redline waiting for an enemy to poke their head out. It's not fun for either side, so why do it? I like battles where it's back and forth, unclear who will win. In these battles, I don't care how much I lose, it was fun, the reason I play. But people are doing everthing they can to make it more fun for themselves and less for others.
Hope I didn't sound too hostile, I'm just mad. :)
Have you ever landed a headshot with the Breach Scrambler Pistol?
...What? Shields? I don't see any.
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Big E Langst0n
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
54
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:26:00 -
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Wow... A lot of butthurt is occurring in this topic. Well, as CEO of the Outlaws, I can say we've q synced every mode together and I can care less what anyone thinks bout it. My corp mates are awesome and I love playing with all Of them. As someone alluded to earlier, if there's 9 people on, we are Not going to leave 3 out just so that players who cannot find good squad mates will be happy.
We only q sync in pubs when we want ISK. We don't play PC cause its a cheap, horribly thought out mode which is no fun. So once we sink a **** ton of risk into FW, we play pubs. If we're together, awesome, and if we face eachother, still awesome. We don't all proto stomp but I'm not gonna tell my guys to specifically not do it. They can use suits however they want. Squads of mine have beaten proto suits with BPO Gear or ADV gear. Player skill means a lot more than gear, and if you didn't believe that, then you're either not very good or need to find capable squad mates to help you. This is a team game. Tactics are extremely important. I think the OP meant well but seems misinformed as to how this game works best. It works best with friends. I don't play dust for gameplay or graphics, if I did I wouldn't be playing dust. I play for my corp... And raspberries who are unprepared will have to deal with it.
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Big E Langst0n
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
54
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:30:00 -
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Sergeant Sazu wrote:To those saying "It's just a game, don't be so butthurt": This isn't the 90's anymore. People now put time and effort into progress for today's video games. And then they watch as it means nothing. It's not pathetic, grow up or realize it's 2014.
To those defending the que sync: I have news for you. Not everyone in this game runs with a group, and should not be punished for not doing so. Being social/a team player is difficult for some people. ...Oh, you do it to prevent loss? More news. You wipe out more ISK than your crutch suit is worth. Besides, this game is all about loss, and going to these extremes to prevent it is pretty dang cowardly, and not the point of the game. I mean yeah, it's cool to play with friends, but it's affecting people negatively, and that's what all the complaining is about.
The squad size is was raised to 6. You don't need more.
Plus, when I'm on the same team as que syncers, it's really boring, standing at the redline waiting for an enemy to poke their head out. It's not fun for either side, so why do it? I like battles where it's back and forth, unclear who will win. In these battles, I don't care how much I lose, it was fun, the reason I play. But people are doing everthing they can to make it more fun for themselves and less for others.
Hope I didn't sound too hostile, I'm just mad. :)
If you are not social or a team player, then don't play a team oriented game like dust. COD is calling for you.
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pyramidhead 420
Carbon 7 CRONOS.
333
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:40:00 -
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teamdeploy = 16 man tear harvesting
why would i play with random crap scrubs instead of friends and corp mates?...smh. some peoples buttholes are about to get reemed extra wide when teamdeploy gets here |
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