This seems to be the attitude that is ruining Dust. No new players are going to want to give this game a chance if the determining factor in how much fun you have is how fast you can convince a good corp you're good so that you can always have squad mates.

People don't seem to understand that there's a difference between playing with your friends and trying to cheat the matchmaking to allow an entire team to be completely unbalanced in order to squeeze in another squad.

There's not this "you either play together or you don't so why wouldn't you want to?" dilemma occurring here, it's "if you could try to beat the matchmaking just to be able to chat with the another 6 of your friends while you wait for the match to end, why wouldn't you instead of just playing a more balanced match with 5 of your pals instead?"

As far as people having the patience goes, I've jumped into squads and realized they were planning on waiting for another squad to finish a match that just started just so they could try to sync. When people try to get me to wait with them for 10 minutes just to try and luck out a sync, I leave. If this happens to me often in random squad finder squads then I'm sure it's more common than you think with corps.

If they do an team deploy how many do you think it will allow? an full 16 man team ? im just curious,would be cool

If you are not social or a team player, then don't play a team oriented game like dust. COD is calling for you.

If you don't que sync, that's your choice. But you're not going to stop people from wanting to play with all of their friends. You can cry about it all you want but team deploy is coming. Adapt to the game or die.

Take twelve of your friends and go against twelve Nyain San and get back to me with the results of your no challenge.
Please...

The usual response I get from people who think only of their own side. I play Dust because I like the game. I despise the players, who think only of themselves, and justify bringing 12 players as being social. The intention is good, yeah, but the results are negative towards others. It's simply a matter of selfishness that can only be solved by the person choosing to learn decency, even over the internet.

I'm going to quote myself:
"Not everyone in this game runs with a group, and should not be punished for not doing so."
I truly hate it when ignorant people say "Squad up or you deserve to get stomped." This is the most narrow-minded statement I have ever heard. The mindset of too many people here: "It works for me, so it shouldn't be changed. Anyone who disagrees is a whining noob and should get good." Far from true. This game is not balanced, so we shouldn't label something as "blalanced" just because it works out only for those who do it.

I have stopped using the Rail Rifle even though I do very well with it. Why? Because it causes an unfair advantage, and I have decency. I don't queue sync. Because it causes an unfair advantage. And I'm not a solo player, by the way. I usually play with 1-3 other people who don't have PRO suits, and we do well against other SINGLE squads. Which proves my point that you don't need more than six players to win. If you want to talk to more than 6 six players at once, that's what channels are for. To chat AND play with six or more players, that is what we cannot agree on, unfortunately.

To sum it up, it's wrong to do this, but the queue syncers don't care. And so the cycle continues.

No, it is not....but thanks for the effort. I play to hang out with friends and shoot other people. Nothing about the level of challenge or even the name of the opponents matter to me. My sqd/teammates may check, but I never do cuz IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEIR NAME IS. I spawn, run with friends, leave finished lobby, then do it again. I only care about who the opponent is after the result, as I have found that knowing beforehand generally impacts my match negatively (regardless of my opinion of them).

So you can try again, but I will ask again, why wouldn't I want to run with 6-11 other friends?

P.S. I would bet almost anything that you never once said that you are entering a match looking for a challenge, but that instead you hoped your team came out on top, regardless of other factors. If you say you would prefer a loss in a challenging match (meaning u just dumped a mountain of isk since what is challenging if you don't fail/succeed equally) to redlining a team after a bit of effort, I gotta call you a liar.

Poor baby.... Just back out if you don't want a challenge. I hope I que sync against you so I can personally harvest your tears.

Actually, I'd say that's exactly what it is. At least, in Subdreddit, the main draw of the corp is hanging out and playing some casual videogames together. We all hang out in corp chat, and then hop into games together. Since we don't want to have to break out into seperate groups and split up the "hangout," we generally try to qsync into matches together so we can continue to hangout, shoot the ****, drink beers, and goof off as a group. We end up Qsyncing into Pub matches when people want to make some ISK after burning through it in FW. Since FW is now designed to be an ISK sync, CCP has managed to pull us out of FW where we used to live and is forcing us into playing pubs too.

On the other hand, often when we do come up against another group of qsync'd players, they'll back out of the match when they see they actually have competition. So, there's definitely a large element of other corps who's motivations appear to be different than our own.

Wow, an actual rational explanation that doesn't involve some underdog-complex.

GTFO.

If you have a good team that fights hard and is competitive, it could be fun. If your whole team is wearing militia gear and most of them begin staying in the redline... don't bother.

Depending on how long you've been in the match or how many times you've died, i suggest you stay safe and wait until it ends so you'll get paid and earn some SP. It's not good, but when there's no point in trying... the matchmaking system is to blame.

too too bad ccp stated about 2 weeks ago in one of those weekly thread things they do, "they have no current plans of corp battles returning"

um not to be the bearer of bad news but um yea you should be punished for doing so
this is a squad based tactics FPS not COD or BF4 thats why we hav the squad machanich
and if you choose to roll solo thats cool but you might want to invest some sp and a low slot into profile dampeners if you are roling solo

if you ar a medium suit ( i exect most scouts to run solo unles they are runnign with scouts or freinds/corpies)

and if you are a heave and roll solo you are an idiot

LOL What in the world??

It's quite interesting that the new QQ topic of the month, pre 1.8, is teamwork is OP. It's truly baffling that it has come down to this. With some things, I can understand, it's harsh. But to outright complain about enemies who have friends joining them in their efforts is just downright detestable. Sometimes you gotta clutch your peanuts and go for broke, you know?

Then you say the practice is pathetic...lol!

I hope folks that have these type of complaints don't go anywhere near PC when that gets fixed. Can you imagine the threads then?

like i said man not all of those who do it do it for fun or practice just like not everyone always lock their districts
and i would be lieing if i said ive never heard a reind say while q-syncing that they are glad for the easy win

i personally play dust for competition not to just win and make isk tho i do need to do the latter two to be able to do the first lol

^^ This. I pretty much only run BPO suits with proto reps and such and when I Qsync, its because there are at least 12 Vanguardians on, with whom I really enjoy playing.

I was only ever in one Qsync where the squad leaders were tryharding. It was the worst gaming experience I've ever had. Egos, drama, whining, rage quitting, etc.

EDIT: FWIW, I don't Qsync if I'm squad leading. It is too much of a hassle and I would rather just go in with one full squad and kill stuff , rather than the whole, "got scottied, leave battle","we're on opposite sides, leave battle","we didn't sync, leave battle."

It's been said but I will say it again.

The reason I play Dust is because I like playing with my corp mates.
We want to play together.
FW doesn't give ISK.

So we que sync.


Most of the time we have to fight against eachother anyway.

It's still fun.

You may not like what he said but the truth is, there are players who are bound to tactics and teamwork. If you can't handle that, then this game is not going to be fun for you because those guys employ that in their gameplay day in and day out. And its not about convincing, its about aligning with a corporation that is a good fit for you. Corporations are the lifeblood in Dust. Sure you can go solo and sure you can stay in NPC corps. But to get a broader experience, a corporation is needed. Especially for new players who need constant advice and buddies to help them get acclimated to a unforgiving universe that will gouge your eyes out and skullfuck you if you're not ready.

You get your butt whooped in any FPS title but a butt whooping coming from a organized, tactical team in Dust 514 leaves a much more sour taste in your mouth when you've lost. You won't have a chance to breathe. You have to be prepared for that. If not, life in New Eden is going to be rough for the uninitiated

I'm not arguing against teamwork, as I constantly join squads every match I play. It's why I continue to play this game. People need to read my posts to get a better idea of what I am trying to get at with this whole thread. This thread isn't a statement that "teamwork = bad" it's a question of the form "is there another reason why people try to get past the matchmaking system and stack the deck in their favor?"

This might be a stretch but I've been trying to think of an analogy that might be helpful in outlining why I don't think syncing into pub matches is good in generalGǪ

Consider, hypothetically, that one could conjoin the squad chats in a battle through a mechanic similar to syncing squads as it currently stands. What I mean is that if the squad leaders of the squads coordinated a second action while trying to sync into battle, they could actually merge the squad chats into one chat. I know you must all be thinking "TEAM CHAT" but what I'm describing would eliminate the possibility for spare blueberries to chime in.

Now consider as a consequence of this strategy, the matchmaking would consistently glitch to make the enemy side a collection of solo players, not coming in from a squad. Basically what I mean is that to get combined squad chat, you also force the enemy team to be composed of solo players.

Would the argument that "we're just here to play with our buds" cover up the clear advantage in the matchmaking? I know this isn't exactly the same thing but what I'm trying to figure out is whether or not people are willing to accept a guaranteed advantage from the matchmaking vs. a probable advantage under the name of "playing with friends". Further, if this could be done, would the people exploiting the mechanic be at fault in any way or would their integrity suffer in any way as a Dust player?

I think that if syncing somehow put players at a disadvantage then, IN GENERAL, they wouldn't be so quick to sync. Instead it's backwards which makes it very convenient for anyone who just likes to "play with their friends". I think that if a new game mode was added like corp battles and this matchmaking imbalance is then removed, we'd still see the minority/majority (not sure which) of those players who sync in pubs for the easy win, who use "playing with friends" as an excuse, still playing syncing in pubs.

Thoughts?

No, there isn't a difference. If we log in to 9 players on at the same time, and we're all chatting in corp-chat, then we need to queue-sync to stay together. It's hardly "cheating the matchmaking" to use something that's worked since before launch either. They literally had since before launch to fix this if it was something that really bothered them. Instead... they want the opposite. You're ignoring the fact that team-deploy is an intended feature they want to put in. So, queue-syncing is closer to intended gameplay than not. You're saying that "teamwork" is cheating. I'd say it's entirely possibly more Subdreddit players will cause a team to lose anyway.



You don't have to "try" to beat the matchmaking. How long do you think people spend trying to queue-sync?

Just to be able to "chat" with more friends? NO. Just to be able to PLAY AND CHAT with more of your friends. It is a game, and we show up to play and talk with our friends, and nothing more. What you're asking of us is the equivalent of 7 friends showing up at a house, and the host saying... well, we could play a networked game of two teams.. but the teams would be uneven. Instead, let's have three of you go play by yourselves instead of hanging out or playing with us. That's why we wouldn't do that. Because we're not in the business of excluding friends.

You're also kidding yourself if you think it's a "more balanced" match without doing so. Let's say Subdreddit decides, "let's not offend Toby, he's totally got the moral high ground in his friendless world." One squad queues up, the rest of the team fills out with random unsquaded people. The other sides fills up, and they have two squads of 6 from two different corps. How different is that from two same corp squads? Neither side queued, but the one that could've certainly got screwed if you consider two full squads an advantage. How much of an advantage does two full (not-same-corp) squads have on two corp squads? How about two not full corp squads? Is that too much of an advantage? That whole argument is full of fecal matter.



Ah... so you ran across squads that cared enough about their friends to wait and play with them, and you were like "F*ck friendship!" and got out of there. It sounds like you have different priorities. I can only speak to Subdreddit. We like to play with our friends. And lose games.

The future will look more like queue-syncing with team deploy. You should probably get used to it.

Getting Qscyned stomped against your own alliance/corp,while in a different squad of randoms,listening to these randoms over the mic in your squad curse you and your alliance/corp for being assholes and killing their gaming experience and interest, makes you look at the game from a different point of view