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KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4653	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:20:00 - [151] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Someone that's never used a tank before, doing all that? I don't believe it. I couldn't survive all of that. This is about what a TANK can do, not about your skill levels. Obviously our friend here is a better tanker than you. And since you 1HKO tanks with your breach FG (LULZ) You should probably be an AV instead of Tanker.... Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1834	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:20:00 - [152] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: It's a tank, you expect it to have a dropsuit's HP and speed? Tanks don't travel 15mph anymore. They move at highway speeds. Your complaints are lame. "Tankers now can make a profit, still have good HP, still move fast, still do more damage than my AR, and still shoot further than my AR. Why can't my AR destroy a tank?" so basicly you wanted tanks to be realistic in ability but don't want av to be the same. fact is realistically av weaponry is designed with 1 purpose. to destroy tanks, not damage or scare them...to kill them with a single crushing blow why should tanks be realistic compared to infantry but infantry av not be realistic to tanks That's real life. This is a game. The tank isn't going to come out of your TV and touch you in your no-no spot. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 508	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:21:00 - [153] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: And people still made threads that they couldn't destroy tanks. So, who did adapt, and who wasn't able to? Well the : People making threads because they couldnt destroy tanks. ITS TRUE, but there will ALWAYS, and i mean ALWAYS , be QQ threads about stuff. The difference is you are looking for balance when the problem is evident, and you are a scrub when you are the only one seeing the problem. Example: I think tanks are Overpowered. Not OVERPOWERING, there is a difference. OVERPOWERED is that they are way too effective for their price and are not in a good place right now, at least vs the rest of the classes.(DS,LAV,Infantry,aV).They are on top of the food chain. See? This is a posts towards balance a SCRUB QQ POST: I think SCR Pistols are OP because Mr.Musturd owned me with one. NERF PLIS! Or: I got killed by Proxy mines, me being so l337? NErf them. etc... etc... See the difference? he is not the only one if you dint read there's alot of players who call the game fair tanks vs av and the all the scrubs keep say the same thing we cant kill a tank it drives a way im betting none of them are skilled or are using the rite AV fittings to hunt tanks and most games are tanks running around a city with the scrubs in side it not doing anything as far as AV like it looks like this Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1834	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:22:00 - [154] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Someone that's never used a tank before, doing all that? I don't believe it. I couldn't survive all of that. This is about what a TANK can do, not about your skill levels. Obviously our friend here is a better tanker than you. And since you 1HKO tanks with your breach FG (LULZ) You should probably be an AV instead of Tanker.... LOL Okay But am I AV. I have multiple tools for the job, which is more than I can say for the majority of infantry on here. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Zephyr Redbane Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:23:00 - [155] - Quote IMHO some tanks are too strong - if two guys with high end swarm launchers cannot take out a tank with 2 launches each, there is something wrong. I don't buy that tanks are there to take out other tanks. It's RARE for me to see that. Most often I see tanks taking out infantry or parking up on a hill and basically sniping. What I'd really love to see is a direct fire, point and aim anti-tank missile. One shot, no magazine, you can refill from a nanopack but it's going to drain the lowest end ones to zero to get another round. Constrain it so that only a upper end heavy suit can carry it because it weighs a ton. :-) Make it costly to buy. Sure I'm dreaming, but since they nerfed swarm missiles even two swarm launcher dudes are hard pressed to take out a tank or air boat before the pilot/driver runs/flies away (or takes one of us out).
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3036	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:28:00 - [156] - Quote Spkr please enlighten me if tanks can do everything and everyone else in suits that cost more are outranged, out HPd, Out speeded and out gunned then whats the point of even being infantry? How's that balanced? "The human brain named itself... :o" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficeiney 5 \o/
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 508	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:29:00 - [157] - Quote Zephyr Redbane wrote: IMHO some tanks are too strong - if two guys with high end swarm launchers cannot take out a tank with 2 launches each, there is something wrong. I don't buy that tanks are there to take out other tanks. It's RARE for me to see that. Most often I see tanks taking out infantry or parking up on a hill and basically sniping. What I'd really love to see is a direct fire, point and aim anti-tank missile. One shot, no magazine, you can refill from a nanopack but it's going to drain the lowest end ones to zero to get another round. Constrain it so that only a upper end heavy suit can carry it because it weighs a ton. :-) Make it costly to buy. Sure I'm dreaming, but since they nerfed swarm missiles even two swarm launcher dudes are hard pressed to take out a tank or air boat before the pilot/driver runs/flies away (or takes one of us out). i love how you dont even know what hi end is !! Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1023	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:30:00 - [158] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: It's a tank, you expect it to have a dropsuit's HP and speed? Tanks don't travel 15mph anymore. They move at highway speeds. Your complaints are lame. "Tankers now can make a profit, still have good HP, still move fast, still do more damage than my AR, and still shoot further than my AR. Why can't my AR destroy a tank?" so basicly you wanted tanks to be realistic in ability but don't want av to be the same. fact is realistically av weaponry is designed with 1 purpose. to destroy tanks, not damage or scare them...to kill them with a single crushing blow why should tanks be realistic compared to infantry but infantry av not be realistic to tanks That's real life. This is a game. The tank isn't going to come out of your TV and touch you in your no-no spot. DOUBLE STANDERS so tanks should be realistic but av shouldn't just because you say so. what a bellend I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 508	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:30:00 - [159] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: Spkr please enlighten me if tanks can do everything and everyone else in suits that cost more are outranged, out HPd, Out speeded and out gunned then whats the point of even being infantry? How's that balanced? tanks can do every thing its just you Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 634	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:33:00 - [160] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Man, Spkr's threads are so fun to troll on. And by troll i mean providing factual information. On a more serious note... That's dropsuits. I'm trolling this community about tanks. Yes you areGÇª.but its far more important than any of these senseless and illiterate rants on this thread which are constantly devolving into personal attacks and idiotic statements Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!

Canari Elphus Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1182	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:38:00 - [161] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Man, Spkr's threads are so fun to troll on. And by troll i mean providing factual information. On a more serious note... That's dropsuits. I'm trolling this community about tanks. Yes you areGÇª.but its far more important than any of these senseless and illiterate rants on this thread which are constantly devolving into personal attacks and idiotic statements Thats what happens when people cannot debate you using logic. Canari Elphus for CPM1
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 949	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:39:00 - [162] - Quote Tanks should be moved back to their old costs. they're actually effective enough for it now. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 634	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:41:00 - [163] - Quote READ AND REPLY! ITS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THIS TROLL'S THREAD!!!! Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 49	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:46:00 - [164] - Quote This guy has no idea what balance is. Now, i've been using av for as long as i've been playing dust and i will happily admit av wasnt balanced at all. Tanks were food for swarms and it wasnt fair for tankers to pay out that much isk to get killed. Now the shoe is on the other foot. You got buffed tanks but you got ammo as a way to make tanks have a slight weakness but it is minimal. You now also have hardeners which makes tanks almost indestructable. Yet you get what you want because you moaned and cried that av was too strong and It got nerfed now infantry is doing the same thing with actual valid arguments and you think that they want tanks to be nerfed into the ground when actually they just want balance. Try use av with no sp invested into anything and see how you cope. I can do thd same in tanks an do quite well.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 949	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:54:00 - [165] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: This guy has no idea what balance is. Now, i've been using av for as long as i've been playing dust and i will happily admit av wasnt balanced at all. Tanks were food for swarms and it wasnt fair for tankers to pay out that much isk to get killed. Now the shoe is on the other foot. You got buffed tanks but you got ammo as a way to make tanks have a slight weakness but it is minimal. You now also have hardeners which makes tanks almost indestructable. Yet you get what you want because you moaned and cried that av was too strong and It got nerfed now infantry is doing the same thing with actual valid arguments and you think that they want tanks to be nerfed into the ground when actually they just want balance. Try use av with no sp invested into anything and see how you cope. I can do thd same in tanks an do quite well. yes, tankers are railing against their "balance" cries because either: A: We know they just want tanks to be free points for their godmode AV weaponry again. B: We know that CCP never balances anything properly and will nerf tanks into the dirt while buffing AV back to godmode status. We've seen it in action before. tanks were godmode, then they were lols, then they were godmode, then they were free points, now they're too good with 0 investment so that means that in about a month when 1.8 drops, we're going to get nerfed into the floor for the next YEAR. sorry that you're dealing with 3 months of being inneffective but workable. we had to deal with 7 of "why did you spec into tanks you moron?" Back before 1.7 seeing a tanker was like seeing a proto commando, like a damn unicorn. and seeing one that lived to the end of the match after exiting the redline was even more rare. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Kaylee Veloc Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 63	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:54:00 - [166] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: My Madrugar gets fluxed, and all I can do is laugh because a Madrugar is an armor tank. It's not that strange a concept that your maddy has a flux thrown it's way, you still have some shield on it even if its 1000-1500 or so. Fluxing it 1st means 1-2 less volleys or shots of a forge needed to bring it down. Getting rid of the shield and keeping it gone means players are taking advantage of full explosive damage to your armour not -20% on any shield you might have.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 718	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:58:00 - [167] - Quote Why do people continue to feed Spkr by falling for his jailbait threads?
MetalWolf-Cell ROGUE SPADES 8	Posted - 2014.02.16 04:03:00 - [168] - Quote This is a really funny and interesting post...I think I'm gonna put my 2 cents. @Spkr - I can see your idea of wanting tanks to be tanks and not be LOL paper cans BUT...you are being too radical about it Tanks as of now are definitely too strong for their true purpose said by CCP. 1.6 I was able to tank DECENTLY enough against a squad of AV which even then, took some coordination and effort to ambush my Vayu...yes the tank that was in most eyes, a s* can. They was at least a level balance, most of the problem was the swarms not rendering from 400m away, doing a crap ton of damage. A slight nerf would have been fine to swarms....but this was too far on CCP's end. Tanks now, yeah they can do that waves of opportunity notion and just strap one hardener and play it how it was told....or you can jack the tank on steroids and put 3 on and cycle through them and exploit the living crap out of the new found module. CCP must not have in mind I guess. But yeah, Spkr, no offense but you are going to make the AV class obsolete if you keep speaking on about AV "HTFU" and Adapting to something they cant even destroy without putting a whole bunch of effort in. And don't think I'm not a tanker, I am. I just don't tank anymore because it is now seen as a scrub tactic...last thing I want is my style of play being seen as a "noob play style." You cannot seriously sit here and say they are fine if the class that is specifically made to destroy vehicles cannot even destroy a stock LAV without having to put forth proto gear. I want HAVs to be very tanky, BUT, I don't want AV being taking out of the picture either. Sure a Tank turret should be more powerful than infantry weaponry, but an AV weapon should be well capable enough of nearly equaling it, like a Forge Gun for example, and even a Plasma Cannon. Advanced should be coordinated enough to make a tank think of attacking smartly...Proto should just be able to eviscerate if the tank itself is not proto. If the tank is, then a margin of effort is possible. We are now resorted to throw hard caps on HAVs because of their power...this is a sign that vehicles need balancing pronto. It is hard to though because increasing ISK will only make the rich use the HAVs, causing spam of more powerful tanks. Put a hard cap on, most of us legit tankers cant even use it, and using the idea of two people manning the vehicle will only make most of us not using the thing at all. TL;DR: Spkr, stop speaking radical ideas and making all tankers look like dumbfounded Aholes. At least make an effort to put forth a solution like the rest are Finally Showing my face here to save this weak, but potentially good game. dedicated vehicle User I Drive stuff
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 196	Posted - 2014.02.16 04:31:00 - [169] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Never able to adapt to anything? lol okay Clearly, it's infantry that hasn't been able to adapt. Tankers NEVER adapted. They cried until CCP broke AV-Tank Balance their way. And now think they've adapted and they are skilled. Tanks are such a Crutch now that TRUE , GOOD tankers are not tanking anymore. SPKR4DEAD is a biased tanker and his posts should be ignored Thats all. /thread I was disappointed with how easy it was to kill a squad of tanks with a militia railgun.... glad I didn't reskill into tanks again, after 1.7 tanks will probably become extinct with the next year full of nerfs again, only this time I wont be part of it yay!!! also thank you for the compliment. Void Echo Alt #1 Back on main 3-31-14 Il be back in game within the next month or so.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4657	Posted - 2014.02.16 04:56:00 - [170] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: This guy has no idea what balance is. Now, i've been using av for as long as i've been playing dust and i will happily admit av wasnt balanced at all. Tanks were food for swarms and it wasnt fair for tankers to pay out that much isk to get killed. Now the shoe is on the other foot. You got buffed tanks but you got ammo as a way to make tanks have a slight weakness but it is minimal. You now also have hardeners which makes tanks almost indestructable. Yet you get what you want because you moaned and cried that av was too strong and It got nerfed now infantry is doing the same thing with actual valid arguments and you think that they want tanks to be nerfed into the ground when actually they just want balance. Try use av with no sp invested into anything and see how you cope. I can do thd same in tanks an do quite well. Arent you void echo? Vice president of Biased Tankers A.S. ? Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029

straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 219	Posted - 2014.02.16 05:08:00 - [171] - Quote Another golden Spkr thread. shakes head and walks away
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1750	Posted - 2014.02.16 05:12:00 - [172] - Quote Because you guys aren't the ones getting ground into paste. The Idea that Vehicle Users would suggest a proposal that isn't really quite biased towards them is stupid. "Hey guys, We're thinking about nerfing your primary role, because you guys are wiping the floor with everything, what do you guys think we should do to make killing you easier?" The Idea is to ask those afflicted by the issue what can be done to fix the problem, have the users of the role check the idea so it doesn't make the item UP, and then have the Devs test in the test version to what degree the issue becomes resolved using the variable to resolve the problem. Saying that tanks should decide how to nerf tanks makes zero sense, and won't change anything Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Spartykins NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 10	Posted - 2014.02.16 05:14:00 - [173] - Quote You won't fool me OP, I know this is a cleverly hidden troll thread! 0/10 (Insert witty phrase here)
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 949	Posted - 2014.02.16 05:19:00 - [174] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Because you guys aren't the ones getting ground into paste. The Idea that Vehicle Users would suggest a proposal that isn't really quite biased towards them is stupid. "Hey guys, We're thinking about nerfing your primary role, because you guys are wiping the floor with everything, what do you guys think we should do to make killing you easier?" The Idea is to ask those afflicted by the issue what can be done to fix the problem, have the users of the role check the idea so it doesn't make the item UP, and then have the Devs test in the test version to what degree the issue becomes resolved using the variable to resolve the problem. Saying that tanks should decide how to nerf tanks makes zero sense, and won't change anything Decide nerf, no. Get some type of input at all, yes. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 196	Posted - 2014.02.16 05:37:00 - [175] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: This guy has no idea what balance is. Now, i've been using av for as long as i've been playing dust and i will happily admit av wasnt balanced at all. Tanks were food for swarms and it wasnt fair for tankers to pay out that much isk to get killed. Now the shoe is on the other foot. You got buffed tanks but you got ammo as a way to make tanks have a slight weakness but it is minimal. You now also have hardeners which makes tanks almost indestructable. Yet you get what you want because you moaned and cried that av was too strong and It got nerfed now infantry is doing the same thing with actual valid arguments and you think that they want tanks to be nerfed into the ground when actually they just want balance. Try use av with no sp invested into anything and see how you cope. I can do thd same in tanks an do quite well. Arent you void echo? Vice president of Biased Tankers A.S. ? hes not my alt checky, last time I checked I wasnt biased in any way... plus im not a tanker anymore remember? also.... why is that people think anyone with "Void" or "Echo" in their name is my alt? im ot the only one in new eden with that name you know Void Echo Alt #1 Back on main 3-31-14 Il be back in game within the next month or so.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7100	Posted - 2014.02.16 05:41:00 - [176] - Quote For the most part whenever you discuss AV and HAV and their balancing issues there are three people you need to ignore as they are unreasonable. SpkroftheDead Atiim (actually he isn't so bad) KingCheckmate. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 949	Posted - 2014.02.16 05:46:00 - [177] - Quote True Adamance wrote: For the most part whenever you discuss AV and HAV and their balancing issues there are three people you need to ignore as they are unreasonable. SpkroftheDead Atiim (actually he isn't so bad) KingCheckmate. YAY! not on the list! If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Tailss Prower 501ST JFW StrikerZ Unit 182	Posted - 2014.02.16 05:53:00 - [178] - Quote True Adamance wrote: For the most part whenever you discuss AV and HAV and their balancing issues there are three people you need to ignore as they are unreasonable. SpkroftheDead Atiim (actually he isn't so bad) KingCheckmate. lol i'd agree with top 2 3rd maybe
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7102	Posted - 2014.02.16 05:53:00 - [179] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: True Adamance wrote: For the most part whenever you discuss AV and HAV and their balancing issues there are three people you need to ignore as they are unreasonable. SpkroftheDead Atiim (actually he isn't so bad) KingCheckmate. YAY! not on the list! KingCheckmate, and I like the guy well enough he is a great player to have besides you in FW, is the Spkr of AV. Unreasonable, unyielding, and rarely open to suggestion. Temper thyself King lest yet become Spkr's foil. These people embody the horrific mindset that tells both sides they need to nerf one another to exist. Neither is correct. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1955	Posted - 2014.02.16 06:31:00 - [180] - Quote pick me. i want to nerf tanks because im a tanker and theyre too ******* easy. blaster = 30 infantry kills rail = no vehicles anywhere in sight im having so much fun that there is no fun left. seriously. im bored. pick me as your spokesman and i will bring balance to the force, as the prophecy has forteld Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!



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