DUST Search - Yet again, infantry deciding the fate of tanks

Awry Barux wrote:

Spkr4theDead wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

Okay playing along with this class separation thing to make a point.

Tankers are the ones to blame for getting tanks to the current state that they are in, not infantry.

That doesn't even make sense. So infantry wanted more powerful, speedy tanks? LOL yea ok. Tankers are the ones who got it to this point. Tankers were behind the AV nerf as well-lets just lay it on the table here and be honest.

Some folks just like to omit key points from their memories around here.

The AV nerf was commensurate with the tank nerf. Can't keep AV at pre-1.7 levels with such lowered max HP. Packed Lai Dai were doing about 2000 damage to armor tanks with no shield. Swarms were pushing 3000 a shot. I one-shot a Madrugar with a Wiyrkomi breach at the weak spot in a test. Of course, nobody believed me. It can still be done with a Wiyrkomi. Not my fault infantry can't wait for the best position.

Then there's the swarmers with ADD, that can't stay locked onto the same target, but fire at everything.

Why would we want to deal with ammo, less slots, fewer module choices, and fewer turret choices? We lost the bonuses to max shield, armor, PG and CPU. What more does infantry want?

Oh wait, I already know the answer to that. Tanks removed.

Barring that, they want ARs to be legitimate AV weapons.

Are you really trying to say that 1.7 was a nerf to tanks?
I just... I... I... *dies of a brain aneurysm and falls twitching to the floor*

I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

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Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1832	Posted - 2014.02.16 01:26:00 - [61] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: @ Spkr4theDead: ''Yet again, infantry deciding the fate of tanks'' Since most tankers here in the forums are DEMENTED, BIASED spit*s like yourself, it has come to infantry having to decide. YES. And we should.** Look what happened last time CCP listened to your kind.... When have they listened to tankers? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1018	Posted - 2014.02.16 01:29:00 - [62] - Quote what gets me is there are awesome tankers in dust from pre1.7 who prevailed who don't speak up and this leaves us with the rubbish tankers (yes Spkr4theDead thats you) dictating their poor views on changes. these good tankers need to step forward and take the mantle and shut these scrub tankers up so we can all get some sort of balance that works for everyone I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1832	Posted - 2014.02.16 01:34:00 - [63] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: what gets me is there are awesome tankers in dust from pre1.7 who prevailed who don't speak up and this leaves us with the rubbish tankers (yes Spkr4theDead thats you) dictating their poor views on changes. these good tankers need to step forward and take the mantle and shut these scrub tankers up so we can all get some sort of balance that works for everyone Lol a bad tanker? If I had a better computer and a capture card to go with it, you'd say the abilities of tankers should be nerfed, with no base in reality. Maybe someone on here should try tanking against me with a capture card going. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1832	Posted - 2014.02.16 01:36:00 - [64] - Quote I forced a guy from STB trying to tank into the redline by taking his tank from him a few times. He started by his redline, anyway. They tried getting a forge gunner after me, but he died a couple times. So that's hiding behind the smallest hill, cutting off the angle from a forge gunner on my right, and a tank all the way in the back, a little off to my right. Plus another red tank in the redline that wasn't paying attention, but you can never be sure. I easily wasted the forge gunner, but couldn't be sure of the tank's hit box, so I let it live for the last few minutes of the match. I made over 600,000 in that match. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Toby Flenderson research lab 260	Posted - 2014.02.16 01:41:00 - [65] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: What gives tankers the right to decide the fate of infantry? Because that's exactly what they're doing now. Practically every match comes down to who spams the most tanks. LOL That's in the game. I'm referring to infantry deciding how tanks are going to be fit, how many may be deployed, what turrets they can use, how much they cost, how many people it will require to use one, as well as now wanting the recall feature to be removed. What else did I miss? GÇªOr how much damage they do, how fast they go, or how much health they haveGÇª I don't see how you see a difference between the effectiveness of tanks in practice and on the fittings screen. One is a direct consequence of the other. I also get the impression that you feel that opinions of non-tankers should be dismissed regarding tanks. This is like saying that no one who doesn't use the RR can justify claiming that it is OP. This mentality that you must be a part of the problem first in order to speak about the problem is ridiculous and I've noticed it appearing more and more. I suggest everyone just buy and use a MLT tank for one match and then return to this thread. At this point we may all move on past this "you're not even a tanker so you can't say they're OP" nonsense and we can reduce these threads to real arguments for/against tanks.
Toby Flenderson research lab 260	Posted - 2014.02.16 01:45:00 - [66] - Quote Haha I'm just now reading the posts by the OP above my response. This is hilarious, forget everything I said about changing threads like these. It's far more entertaining to read this guy talk about how good he is. The last two posts before mine are basically just "Come at me bro?!" in goofier phrasings. The OP must've chosen to hide in a steel box all match to protect his ego from the enemy infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1832	Posted - 2014.02.16 01:47:00 - [67] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Haha I'm just now reading the posts by the OP above my response. This is hilarious, forget everything I said about changing threads like these. It's far more entertaining to read this guy talk about how good he is. The last two posts before mine are basically just "Come at me bro?!" in goofier phrasings. The OP must've chosen to hide in a steel box all match to protect his ego from the enemy infantry. So choosing a different play style is hiding? That's news to me. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4641	Posted - 2014.02.16 01:50:00 - [68] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: @ Spkr4theDead: ''Yet again, infantry deciding the fate of tanks'' Since most tankers here in the forums are DEMENTED, BIASED spit*s like yourself, it has come to infantry having to decide. YES. And we should.** Look what happened last time CCP listened to your kind.... When have they listened to tankers? WELL,i'd say infantry and CCP has listened to tankers for at least 6 months complaining and whining. The proof that CCP actually listened to tankers is that now the best counter to a tank is another tank; a tanker proposed idea. Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1833	Posted - 2014.02.16 01:54:00 - [69] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: What gives tankers the right to decide the fate of infantry? Because that's exactly what they're doing now. Practically every match comes down to who spams the most tanks. LOL That's in the game. I'm referring to infantry deciding how tanks are going to be fit, how many may be deployed, what turrets they can use, how much they cost, how many people it will require to use one, as well as now wanting the recall feature to be removed. What else did I miss? GÇªOr how much damage they do, how fast they go, or how much health they haveGÇª I don't see how you see a difference between the effectiveness of tanks in practice and on the fittings screen. One is a direct consequence of the other. I also get the impression that you feel that opinions of non-tankers should be dismissed regarding tanks. This is like saying that no one who doesn't use the RR can justify claiming that it is OP. This mentality that you must be a part of the problem first in order to speak about the problem is ridiculous and I've noticed it appearing more and more. I suggest everyone just buy and use a MLT tank for one match and then return to this thread. At this point we may all move on past this "you're not even a tanker so you can't say they're OP" nonsense and we can reduce these threads to real arguments for/against tanks. Of course their opinions should be dismissed. They're not tanking now, and they weren't tanking before 1.7, and they sure as hell wouldn't've tanked while AV was ridiculously OP. They don't moonlight as a tanker, but I do moonlight as infantry. I know how infantry works. They don't know how tanks work. They don't know what it's like to lose 1.8mil ISK in a single death. They especially don't know what it's like to be a tanker in a PC match going against 3 tanks, 3 forge guns, and a guy with swarms, sometimes all at once. That equates to a dead tank in an instant. They sure had no problem destroying me. "Tanks can't do more damage than an AR, or move faster than a scout can sprint, or have more HP than a heavy, that's just not fair." It's a tank. It's supposed to be better than those. They're also SP-intensive, and require concentration, teamwork, knowledge of the battlefield, the vehicle's strengths and weaknesses, and your own strengths and weaknesses. I'd rather choose the thing that's harder to use. But there's going to be the people saying "I can use a tank just as effectively." Well no, you can't. You don't have the many months of experience that a lot of us do. You don't have the passive skills to make it better. You don't have access to the same modules and turrets that we do. That silly little Sica with MLT mods will go down real quick to my railgun. Hiding in the redline? I can keep you in check. I don't feel like I'm beating cheated when I can't destroy it, which is how AV feels. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1706	Posted - 2014.02.16 01:59:00 - [70] - Quote Am I only middle man here? 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-

Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3217	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:04:00 - [71] - Quote Okay playing along with this class separation thing to make a point. Tankers are the ones to blame for getting tanks to the current state that they are in, not infantry. That doesn't even make sense. So infantry wanted more powerful, speedy tanks? LOL yea ok. Tankers are the ones who got it to this point. Tankers were behind the AV nerf as well-lets just lay it on the table here and be honest. Some folks just like to omit key points from their memories around here. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1833	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:13:00 - [72] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Okay playing along with this class separation thing to make a point. Tankers are the ones to blame for getting tanks to the current state that they are in, not infantry. That doesn't even make sense. So infantry wanted more powerful, speedy tanks? LOL yea ok. Tankers are the ones who got it to this point. Tankers were behind the AV nerf as well-lets just lay it on the table here and be honest. Some folks just like to omit key points from their memories around here. The AV nerf was commensurate with the tank nerf. Can't keep AV at pre-1.7 levels with such lowered max HP. Packed Lai Dai were doing about 2000 damage to armor tanks with no shield. Swarms were pushing 3000 a shot. I one-shot a Madrugar with a Wiyrkomi breach at the weak spot in a test. Of course, nobody believed me. It can still be done with a Wiyrkomi. Not my fault infantry can't wait for the best position. Then there's the swarmers with ADD, that can't stay locked onto the same target, but fire at everything. Why would we want to deal with ammo, less slots, fewer module choices, and fewer turret choices? We lost the bonuses to max shield, armor, PG and CPU. What more does infantry want? Oh wait, I already know the answer to that. Tanks removed. Barring that, they want ARs to be legitimate AV weapons. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1020	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:14:00 - [73] - Quote what a load of crap.....you really do think your something special dont you. everything in dust should revolve around you. its players like you who are the problem with dust. I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Canari Elphus Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1179	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:14:00 - [74] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Okay playing along with this class separation thing to make a point. Tankers are the ones to blame for getting tanks to the current state that they are in, not infantry. That doesn't even make sense. So infantry wanted more powerful, speedy tanks? LOL yea ok. Tankers are the ones who got it to this point. Tankers were behind the AV nerf as well-lets just lay it on the table here and be honest. Some folks just like to omit key points from their memories around here. TBH, most tankers proposed one solution or the other. It was CCP that said ok....... TO ALL OF THEM. - We want tanks to be cheaper... sure - We want tanks to have more survivability.... sure - We want AV nerfed..... sure CCP said that they were going to make tanks very efficient for short periods of time but their QC team spent about 30 seconds testing out different scenarios. The fact that they didnt see rotating hardners or double reps as a possibility is staggering. Canari Elphus for CPM1
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 578	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:19:00 - [75] - Quote Makes up a bunch of rubbish. Can anyone guess who I am? CCP your matchmaking sucks Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1833	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:19:00 - [76] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Okay playing along with this class separation thing to make a point. Tankers are the ones to blame for getting tanks to the current state that they are in, not infantry. That doesn't even make sense. So infantry wanted more powerful, speedy tanks? LOL yea ok. Tankers are the ones who got it to this point. Tankers were behind the AV nerf as well-lets just lay it on the table here and be honest. Some folks just like to omit key points from their memories around here. TBH, most tankers proposed one solution or the other. It was CCP that said ok....... TO ALL OF THEM. - We want tanks to be cheaper... sure - We want tanks to have more survivability.... sure - We want AV nerfed..... sure CCP said that they were going to make tanks very efficient for short periods of time but their QC team spent about 30 seconds testing out different scenarios. The fact that they didnt see rotating hardners or double reps as a possibility is staggering. So we should fit our tanks according to you? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1833	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:20:00 - [77] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: what a load of crap.....you really do think your something special dont you. everything in dust should revolve around you. its players like you who are the problem with dust. If you say so, ADAM-AND-STEVE. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1833	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:21:00 - [78] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Makes up a bunch of rubbish. Can anyone guess who I am? KING CHECKMATE? ADAM-AND-STEVE? Atiim? Like infantry that said during the period before 1.7, that a Soma could survive an alpha strike of 16,000 damage? You mean those people? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 195	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:22:00 - [79] - Quote oh my ***** god spkr, just shut the ** up already.... tanks are in a good place finally, besides a little nerf to militia tanks and a slight buff to swarms and forges, balance is achieved. drop it already, you have to realize that your the least respected tanker in the game don't you? at least I had the sense to retire after my job with tanks was done. try to have at least 1 shred of dignity in you. Void Echo Alt #1 Back on main 3-31-14 Il be back in game within the next month or so.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1020	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:24:00 - [80] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Makes up a bunch of rubbish. Can anyone guess who I am? KING CHECKMATE? ADAM-AND-STEVE? Atiim? Like infantry that said during the period before 1.7, that a Soma could survive an alpha strike of 16,000 damage? You mean those people? hey i can change your name too....SPKRofShite i think thats more befitting a name for your character I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find

Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 578	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:25:00 - [81] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Makes up a bunch of rubbish. Can anyone guess who I am? KING CHECKMATE? ADAM-AND-STEVE? Atiim? Like infantry that said during the period before 1.7, that a Soma could survive an alpha strike of 16,000 damage? You mean those people? The one person on the forums who'd get it wrong... CCP your matchmaking sucks Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3159	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:25:00 - [82] - Quote You don't speak for the dead You speak for the spammers (I Enjoy Difficulty); GB-9 Breach AR, EK-AR Breach Mass Driver, GK-13 and Allotek Burst AR
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 649	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:26:00 - [83] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Okay playing along with this class separation thing to make a point. Tankers are the ones to blame for getting tanks to the current state that they are in, not infantry. That doesn't even make sense. So infantry wanted more powerful, speedy tanks? LOL yea ok. Tankers are the ones who got it to this point. Tankers were behind the AV nerf as well-lets just lay it on the table here and be honest. Some folks just like to omit key points from their memories around here. The AV nerf was commensurate with the tank nerf. Can't keep AV at pre-1.7 levels with such lowered max HP. Packed Lai Dai were doing about 2000 damage to armor tanks with no shield. Swarms were pushing 3000 a shot. I one-shot a Madrugar with a Wiyrkomi breach at the weak spot in a test. Of course, nobody believed me. It can still be done with a Wiyrkomi. Not my fault infantry can't wait for the best position. Then there's the swarmers with ADD, that can't stay locked onto the same target, but fire at everything. Why would we want to deal with ammo, less slots, fewer module choices, and fewer turret choices? We lost the bonuses to max shield, armor, PG and CPU. What more does infantry want? Oh wait, I already know the answer to that. Tanks removed. Barring that, they want ARs to be legitimate AV weapons. Are you really trying to say that 1.7 was a nerf to tanks? I just... I... I... dies of a brain aneurysm and falls twitching to the floor
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1833	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:26:00 - [84] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: You don't speak for the dead You speak for the spammers Spammers? Last I remember, there was a problem with MLT spam. I don't use MLT. Don't group me with those people. I've been tanking since Chromosome. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 712	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:27:00 - [85] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: what gets me is there are awesome tankers in dust from pre1.7 who prevailed who don't speak up and this leaves us with the rubbish tankers (yes Spkr4theDead thats you) dictating their poor views on changes. these good tankers need to step forward and take the mantle and shut these scrub tankers up so we can all get some sort of balance that works for everyone last time I saw Pearson he was at the flight ceiling in a drop ship avoiding nyan spam tanks. Who wants some?
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 622	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:27:00 - [86] - Quote everyone on this thread needs to stop farming likes lol excluding spkr of course Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3159	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:27:00 - [87] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: You don't speak for the dead You speak for the spammers Spammers? Last I remember, there was a problem with MLT spam. I don't use MLT. Don't group me with those people. I've been tanking since Chromosome. Doesn't matter you're nothing special now. You're just a number in a matrix, a drop in an ocean We can't view you any more serious than the next tanker (I Enjoy Difficulty); GB-9 Breach AR, EK-AR Breach Mass Driver, GK-13 and Allotek Burst AR
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1833	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:27:00 - [88] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Okay playing along with this class separation thing to make a point. Tankers are the ones to blame for getting tanks to the current state that they are in, not infantry. That doesn't even make sense. So infantry wanted more powerful, speedy tanks? LOL yea ok. Tankers are the ones who got it to this point. Tankers were behind the AV nerf as well-lets just lay it on the table here and be honest. Some folks just like to omit key points from their memories around here. The AV nerf was commensurate with the tank nerf. Can't keep AV at pre-1.7 levels with such lowered max HP. Packed Lai Dai were doing about 2000 damage to armor tanks with no shield. Swarms were pushing 3000 a shot. I one-shot a Madrugar with a Wiyrkomi breach at the weak spot in a test. Of course, nobody believed me. It can still be done with a Wiyrkomi. Not my fault infantry can't wait for the best position. Then there's the swarmers with ADD, that can't stay locked onto the same target, but fire at everything. Why would we want to deal with ammo, less slots, fewer module choices, and fewer turret choices? We lost the bonuses to max shield, armor, PG and CPU. What more does infantry want? Oh wait, I already know the answer to that. Tanks removed. Barring that, they want ARs to be legitimate AV weapons. Are you really trying to say that 1.7 was a nerf to tanks? I just... I... I... dies of a brain aneurysm and falls twitching to the floor What do you consider fewer slots, fewer turret choices, fewer turret choices, and having to deal with ammo supplies? A buff? You'd probably consider contracting HIV to be a good thing. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1833	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:28:00 - [89] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: You don't speak for the dead You speak for the spammers Spammers? Last I remember, there was a problem with MLT spam. I don't use MLT. Don't group me with those people. I've been tanking since Chromosome. Doesn't matter you're nothing special now. You're just a number in a matrix, a drop in an ocean We can't view you any more serious than the next tanker Whatever you say, Bozo The Average. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 712	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:28:00 - [90] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: You don't speak for the dead You speak for the spammers Spammers? Last I remember, there was a problem with MLT spam. I don't use MLT. Don't group me with those people. I've been tanking since Chromosome. you are the only one saying its militia. Everyone else realizes its all tanks now. Who wants some?



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