You can polish a turd as much as you want but in the end it's still a Turd...

When are you going to realize it doesn't matter? All of those games have a much larger player base then dust does whether it be 8 million or 1 million it is still a hell of a lot more than 4,000.

Again, you make these statements as if it is going to change people's perspectives of the god damned game.

If you are trying to point out that the OP's numbers are over exaggerated, yeah they are. But his point is still valid and relevant.

THE GAMES PLAYER BASE IS DYING!

in my opinion we need a ranking system in some sorts of lvl's. lvl1 stands for a total n00b who goes negative every match and like 200WP at the ned. While a lvl 10 guy is a beast of a player and gets allmost allways the top scores. The skill lvl should be going up or down regarding the performance and matchmaking should put players from similar lvl against each other. Like players from lvl 1-3 face each other or 4-7 and finally 8-10. This would make teams more balanced and reduce the "pub stomping" issue.

Fun Fact all games die, eventually.

Question is how fast?

You see some of the updated numbers and how quickly those massive populations decayed some of them losing nearly 90%-100% of their player base in under 2 years.

dust has been improving. 1.7 was a huge step in the right direction.

yes their are some issues, but the positives far out weigh the negatives, especially once they get the tank issue worked out.

If you are trying to point out that the OP's numbers are over exaggerated, yeah they are. But his point is still valid and relevant. THE GAMES PLAYER BASE IS DYING!

Also counter strike? :P horrible shooter. Maps are too small, quickest reflexes nullifies any fun, the gun you picked almost doesn't matter and people quit playing it right because the game rules are dumb and people do not have the tools to play beyond the game intended in a way that is deemed 'smart' but instead viewed as cheatastic. Graphics and Sound are also not the best either but it gets passing at least. I rather play Blacklight or RB6

This is like saying,

Yeah the women I married has some flaws and she will be a great wife once she stops ******* everyone in the neighborhood.

You are trying to look for something that is great that isn't there yet.

most games have potential, question is how long are you willing to shell out hours of grind session in order to see it happen?

most games don't continue to improve at the rate dust does.

I play the game because their is no better option, once one comes around I will switch over, they just need to be betetr then the alternatives when they come around, and honestly division is the only game on my radar atm that could beat dust out.

no COD and BF aren't competing with dust, they are casual shooters, I prefer the games with meaning like dust. I know saying dust has meaning is a bit of a joke, but it has more meaning then COD and BF and the like. those games have no long term substance, and never will, so the little bit that dust has still puts it at the top of the charts.

For you to say that just goes to show how disconnected you are from competitive shooters and I guess you're really not a numbers guy ? Why don't you tell this to the 75 THOUSAND players and 1.5m unique players who login.. All your points are invalid even when comparing a dying MMO to our dismal 4k community if anything its laughable that you can compare a drop in millions to Dusts concurrent numbers...

I don't think we can use this as an excuse anymore maybe a year ago sure, but they have many examples to follow like the one behind Valve with CS.. Not to mention they have a successful flagship which is EVE online that they crowned on following a similar ideology..

I don't think anyone is really defending Dust as a polished game. Most people around here stay because there is no alternative.. I could go play a better shooter any day on any console/PC. But, I cannot play a shooter with equipment, skill points, vehicles, corporations, MMO side orbitals, etc. Dust is the sum of it's parts right now. It has more parts then every other shooter.

The controls sure suck compared to PC dedicated titles for Kbm. The DS3 controls suck compared to COD.

The graphics suck compared to Killzone.

The customization sucks compared to Eve.

The corporations suck compared to Eve.

The vehicles suck compared to Battlefield

The risk versus reward sucks compared to Eve.

BUT, it has all of this in one package that no other game offers. That's the only reason we are all here. We have no place to go if this is what we want.

Tell me why I should continue play counter strike?

1. I hate how majority of the game is waiting between rounds or waiting for the round to end.
2. The game caters to twitch shooters. This is a false advertisement from the tactical shooter it falsely labels itself as.
3. Tactical decisions are severely punished, usually with death, quickly followed by round loss.
4. Maps are once again too small, too predictable, and too favored even with a handicap on the favored team.
5. The game feels far far far cheaper in production quality overall.
6. There are far too many wrong decisions made in the pre-match equipment selection.
7. Those wrong decisions are neeray ever right.
8. That one guy that gets put into matchmaking with you and ruins the entire lobby causing the entire lobby to quit within two matches
9. The game offers zero means of getting gud outside of wrist weight training, simply put if you have arthritis might as well quit playing.
10. I certainly don't feel the culture, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovsVU6mktOw seriously ruined most of CS' image for me.
11. Matchmaking needs a serious fix, losing 40 rounds in a row is rather ridiculous. I mean I know Caldari FW doesn't have any matchmaking either but at least they win once every 5 or 6 fights.
12. Too Generic
13. Feels like a bargain bin game
14. People your team quit if you have yellow or limegreen bars.
15. Has never felt original
16. I blame the origin of the COD Kiddie syndrome on this game.

Disconnect? More about not wanting to connect.

Also by your logic I shouldn't have quit world of warcraft for FFXIV ARR.

Yet again, its not about you or me or any one person.. Its about our 4k player base compared to a 75k player base if 4k players is what CCP is proud of and coined as their "cult player base" that's pretty pathetic even for a company that "doesn't do shooters" Tell me why CCP shouldn't market Dust to the PC communityby improving kb/m ? You continue to prove my data is correct the only argument you have is your own personal experience ? Sorry ironwolf as a CPM you should probably try to think outside the box your "new content appealing to veterans" is limited and doesn't garnish any returns...

Could it be that Chromosome was new... shiny... Eve players were excited (Well a few of them anyway). Why in the world would you connect the higher numbers of Chromosome with mouse and keyboard? Balance was better across the board. The new to veteran player gap was smaller. Every player wasn't sitting on a pile isk. Only the best players could continuously run Proto gear in pubs. Now everyone can Proto all day if they had a decent amount of salvage pre-uprising. I was very new when uprising hit and I went from 12 million isk to 83 million isk. The balance of the game was destroyed by massive isk influx, multiple SP respecs, and higher SP sinks. Add to that a playerbase (like me) that has become jaded.

Keyboard and mouse factors in there somewhere. But, it is an infinitesimally small thing compared to the balancing, polish, and content issues that plague Dust.

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7 billion people on earth and only 75k play Counterstrike?

I loved Half-Life and the mod community it created.

You sir, are a communist.

In my mind TF2 never came out. Whatever they call "TF2" is a cartoon show compared to what it was suppose to be.

-Butt Hurt Valve Fan

7 billion people on earth and only 75k play Counterstrike?

I can't believe a supposed CPM just typed this....... That's ONE shooter not even a mass advertised FPS like your COD and BF titles not to mention your 12yr old self stomped your feet and asked why you should play it ? Well IDK ask the massive player base compared to the game you're deffending...

you mean this garbage?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/30/Tf2_oldstyle.jpg

You should, considering this CPM doesn't give a damn about other game's numbers because they do absolutely nothing to fix this games numbers. Period.

Nice Edit btw.

You should, considering this CPM doesn't give a damn about other game's numbers because they do absolutely nothing to fix this games numbers. Period.

Nice Edit btw.

IWS proving his ignorance on an hourly basis. TM

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/04/20/tripwires-devs-talk-about-research-at-the-shooting-range/

Most developers look to do research on the product they are creating... and you cannot make a FPS without thinking of counter-strike.. a game very simply made as for content but the gameplay and gungame has built Internet cafe's around it.. Has made people play the same game for a decade with little to no changes.. If gun game can addict someone to Counter-strike, and keep active numbers like this consistently with adding little to no content?

wouldn't that be something to look into for DUST? A game process where people get hooked on just the gameplay... No gizmo's of a Persistent skill system, Guilds(Same thing), different roles and classes... and new additions every 30 days.

Somewhere along the lines you missed what Vavle does better then most gaming companies and why most developers tip their hat to them not bad mouth them. They build games around the gameplay... FIRST... not fancy things to placate you.

Tell me why I should continue play counter strike?

1. I hate how majority of the game is waiting between rounds or waiting for the round to end.
2. The game caters to twitch shooters. This is a false advertisement from the tactical shooter it falsely labels itself as.
3. Tactical decisions are severely punished, usually with death, quickly followed by round loss.
4. Maps are once again too small, too predictable, and too favored even with a handicap on the favored team.
5. The game feels far far far cheaper in production quality overall.
6. There are far too many wrong decisions made in the pre-match equipment selection.
7. Those wrong decisions are neeray ever right.
8. That one guy that gets put into matchmaking with you and ruins the entire lobby causing the entire lobby to quit within two matches
9. The game offers zero means of getting gud outside of wrist weight training, simply put if you have arthritis might as well quit playing.
10. I certainly don't feel the culture, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovsVU6mktOw seriously ruined most of CS' image for me.
11. Matchmaking needs a serious fix, losing 40 rounds in a row is rather ridiculous. I mean I know Caldari FW doesn't have any matchmaking either but at least they win once every 5 or 6 fights.
12. Too Generic
13. Feels like a bargain bin game
14. People your team quit if you have yellow or limegreen bars.
15. Has never felt original
16. I blame the origin of the COD Kiddie syndrome on this game.
17. Winning means absolutely nothing and has nearly the same emotional level as losing.

Disconnect? More about not wanting to connect.

Also by your logic I shouldn't have quit world of warcraft for FFXIV ARR.

Also Valve has made a series of shooters that I actually really hate.
I hate Half Life
I hate CS
I hate Left4Dead
I hate TF
I hate TF2 (the game not the environment it's created)

There is something subconsciously wrong with all of them that doesn't vibe with me. I mean I have gone and endured terrible shooters from other game companies but valve just has something that just geniunely pisses me off from playing thier games.

7 billion people on earth and only 75k play Counterstrike?