"We think that if you're really good with the controller, and you can match the fidelity of movement of the mouse and keyboard, then you'll hold your own. If not, well, you'll just be matched with people who play like you," Faliszek said, adding that PS3 players can also use a mouse and keyboard if they choose.

"When bringing Counter-Strike to PS3 and Xbox, we wanted to make sure we weren't 'noobing' it, or dumbing it down. The game has an entry point for new players in its Casual Mode, but it's not ticking off the top players," he said.

"These two communities want a new game that brings them together again -- to make them whole,".

I'd like your post a lot more if it didn't seem like you believe the low population has to do with the controls as oppose to the game legitimately being bad.

This thread makes me want to quit dust even more than I already do. Problem is trying to find a console title that matches this games unique team play style and RPG characteristics. The only thing keeping me here now is my corp. You make a good point, it's hard to see Dust lasting the next few months especially with the significant amount of un satisfied players.

I don't think you can compare the two. Valve has a history of shooter games behind them. CCP doesn't.

OP makes a poor argument when comparing ccp and valve. Valve has a proven pedigree that spans over a decade when it comes to the fps genre. He is comparing apples and oranges between developers and games here. CS lacks the complexity in systems that Dust has with its equipment, SP, vehicles, corporations, eve link(lol), etc. Add to that the fact that plenty of console games maintain extreme player counts without mouse and keyboard controls.

As for your list of games to compare player base numbers. Each of those games has nothing in common with Dust. They are mmo's, and not shooters. They also each have a critical element that helps maintain their high player base... PVE. They are casual friendly.

In the end, this is just another mouse and keyboard pc overlord complaining because ccp didn't build the game for him. Nothing to see here.

Agreed. This is a massive oversimplification of the problems here tailored to his own individual (sorry... "soul') experience and bias. If they went to raw KBM tomorrow, you would not get some massive influx of competitive PC FPS players who have just been itching for this to happen. Same with the MMO crowd. You certainly could also alienate as many non-KBM players who would suddenly get super *****d off about getting killed by people pulling things the DS3 just wont let them do with pinpoint aiming, macros, etc.

(I'll stop you right there b4 the inevitable "They can use KBM too". Well, you can damn well use a DS3 too then can't you?)

PvE would have 10x the effect on player counts that improving KBM would.

Could it be that Chromosome was new... shiny... Eve players were excited (Well a few of them anyway). Why in the world would you connect the higher numbers of Chromosome with mouse and keyboard? Balance was better across the board. The new to veteran player gap was smaller. Every player wasn't sitting on a pile isk. Only the best players could continuously run Proto gear in pubs. Now everyone can Proto all day if they had a decent amount of salvage pre-uprising. I was very new when uprising hit and I went from 12 million isk to 83 million isk. The balance of the game was destroyed by massive isk influx, multiple SP respecs, and higher SP sinks. Add to that a playerbase (like me) that has become jaded.

Keyboard and mouse factors in there somewhere. But, it is an infinitesimally small thing compared to the balancing, polish, and content issues that plague Dust.

When are you going to realize it doesn't matter? All of those games have a much larger player base then dust does whether it be 8 million or 1 million it is still a hell of a lot more than 4,000.

Again, you make these statements as if it is going to change people's perspectives of the god damned game.

If you are trying to point out that the OP's numbers are over exaggerated, yeah they are. But his point is still valid and relevant.

THE GAMES PLAYER BASE IS DYING!

Also counter strike? :P horrible shooter. Maps are too small, quickest reflexes nullifies any fun, the gun you picked almost doesn't matter and people quit playing it right because the game rules are dumb and people do not have the tools to play beyond the game intended in a way that is deemed 'smart' but instead viewed as cheatastic. Graphics and Sound are also not the best either but it gets passing at least. I rather play Blacklight or RB6

Tell me why I should continue play counter strike?

1. I hate how majority of the game is waiting between rounds or waiting for the round to end.
2. The game caters to twitch shooters. This is a false advertisement from the tactical shooter it falsely labels itself as.
3. Tactical decisions are severely punished, usually with death, quickly followed by round loss.
4. Maps are once again too small, too predictable, and too favored even with a handicap on the favored team.
5. The game feels far far far cheaper in production quality overall.
6. There are far too many wrong decisions made in the pre-match equipment selection.
7. Those wrong decisions are neeray ever right.
8. That one guy that gets put into matchmaking with you and ruins the entire lobby causing the entire lobby to quit within two matches
9. The game offers zero means of getting gud outside of wrist weight training, simply put if you have arthritis might as well quit playing.
10. I certainly don't feel the culture, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovsVU6mktOw seriously ruined most of CS' image for me.
11. Matchmaking needs a serious fix, losing 40 rounds in a row is rather ridiculous. I mean I know Caldari FW doesn't have any matchmaking either but at least they win once every 5 or 6 fights.
12. Too Generic
13. Feels like a bargain bin game
14. People your team quit if you have yellow or limegreen bars.
15. Has never felt original
16. I blame the origin of the COD Kiddie syndrome on this game.

Disconnect? More about not wanting to connect.

Also by your logic I shouldn't have quit world of warcraft for FFXIV ARR.

7 billion people on earth and only 75k play Counterstrike?

You should, considering this CPM doesn't give a damn about other game's numbers because they do absolutely nothing to fix this games numbers. Period.

Nice Edit btw.

Lol. Still haven't made any counter points. Don't worry though, I'm not going to bother checking this thread to see if you do.

Sure, it might be fun making a new character and preying upon young DUST'ers who don't understand skill points, suits, fitting, or even what ISK is.

Still the fact remains, No Active Aim Assist was ever needed for DS3 users to compete with each other at the beginning stages of DUST. And certainly wasn't a tool needed for them to do something that was already being done successfully from Battle Academy to Corp Battles, DS3 users owning and or competing with M/KB users.

my gawd I swear you are meta gaming CCP to ruin DUST.

IWS as bad as any feature in DUST EST he became CPM.

So tell me where does this have to do with:

Gun ranges.
or
Valve Porting to Console control theory.

Honestly there is no case you can bring up that explains the red chart and the relationship it has with blue chart.

so, now that you own nothing you've decided to put your time into foolish forum posts?

sounds like the last gasp of a dead alliance.

this issue goes beyond owning districts... or sides of beefs or ones own spare time

On top of this based on estimates from Sony.

Counter Strike across all 5 of its games (not 1 not 2 not 3 or 4 but FIVE GAMES) combined take up appox only 0.2% (and this is being nice but its probably closer to 0.09% or much lesser) of the entire potential market.

That means 99.8% of gamers in the world don't bother with counter strike.

According to eveoffline we have been staying at 3K players for awhile, remind me how dust is dead?

agreed.

this argument is all over the place, are you blaming low player count on poor KB/m integration? there are a thousand reasons not to play dust and I'm sorry to say poor KB/m integration doesn't make the top 50.

I hate to be this way, but you are on our(console) turf now. use a controller, if I mentioned poor gaming controller support on many PC forums I'd be laughed out of the room.

Dust 514 is a First Person Shooter. All the games you listed aren't First Person Shooters. How can you even compare these numbers? Even the newest Call of Duty games have around 100k users daily. Dust 514 retaining at least 4%-5% of users playing CoD is pretty impressive since the game practically isn't even out of the Beta.