just get rid of Input lag on KB/M there you go. it would imporve the KB/M guys performance and would get rid of some issues.

agreed.

Sure hit detection is better but that's only if you're paying in a non competitive environment with a controller, even aim assist can't help the 5-10 frame PC matches that completely show CCP's lack of core improvements..

Also, not alienating the PC Gamers by nerfing the KB/M into the ground could help, lets face it every bit will help.. I can tell you my personal experience alone there have been 5 of my friends who all love the idea behind Dust but won't even give it the time of day till the kb/m is fixed.. I understand 5 isn't a big number but im only one person and that's part of the problem is that the kb/m community in Dust has dwindled down to a minority ..

You gotta think, Say CCP does a 360 on KB/M controls and the PC community gets wind of it, the majority of veteran kb/m players will return (If they haven't already sold their ps3) and the msg will spread like wild fire I 'd like to think our weekend peak would spike just with that fix alone.. They have to bridge the gap like it was in Chromosome.. And i believe that is what the majority of what Roman was saying.. Console players especially the competitive ones need to embrace it and allow both inputs to be at its peak because CCP needs the revenue bad..

Also, Id like to say Ive played on the top competitive lvl of Dust all through my 2yrs here and I barley hear competitive players assuming or complaining about kb/m.. If they get out gunned they try harder, regardless of the input used, when kb/m was at its peak i was going toe to toe with extremely talented DS3 users, there was no reason to nerf the kb/m besides CCP's self proclaimed balancing campaign..

I don't know why I'm bothering to respond to the OP but here goes.

the player base has been "4k and falling" since I got here, somehow we never make it to 3k and falling

this argument is all over the place, are you blaming low player count on poor KB/m integration? there are a thousand reasons not to play dust and I'm sorry to say poor KB/m integration doesn't make the top 50.

I hate to be this way, but you are on our(console) turf now. use a controller, if I mentioned poor gaming controller support on many PC forums I'd be laughed out of the room.

EvE is 10 years old, WoW is 12 years old, aion is 4 years old, runescape is 12 years old. Dust 514 is 7/8 months old depending on the time this post is read(happy new year new eden!)... why would Dust have a player count comparable to games that have years of development and expansions behind them when it isn't even a year old?

sll in all your argument is, well I'm not sure what it is or where you thought it was going, but it isn't well put together or relevant. so yay you?

I can name over 5 friends who I play games with on the PS3 regularly who won't touch the game and haven't since 1.4... Having terrible controls was one thing but installing a computer generated tracking system for all ds3 users to band-aid the terrible controls instead of fixing the aiming system that got installed in Uprising 1.0, pretty much told them what kind of developers CCP is.... No matter how i defend CCP to them... it's hard to get around that point.

Ok so your a closed beta vet and "the player base has been 4k and falling since you got here?" i remember over 12k player peaks in chromosome a time when there was no aim assist or poor KB/M support..

"this argument is all over the place, are you blaming low player count on poor KB/m integration? there are a thousand reasons not to play dust and I'm sorry to say poor KB/m integration doesn't make the top 50."

So what is top 50? because as has been said on multiple accounts most people can name DUST's Aim assist fromt he 1.4 patch as the top 10 big reasons on why they dont play it... let alone what "annoys them"

"I hate to be this way, but you are on our(console) turf now. use a controller, if I mentioned poor gaming controller support on many PC forums I'd be laughed out of the room."
I hate to say it but none of the console shooters here ever needed aim assist nor has any FPS game.

to me, this, pretty much sums up this thread.

All i can say at this point is that the new EP stressed FPS fundamentals and 1.8 is the infantry patch. Furthermore CCP has stated explicitly that our current point in DUST's development is focused on improving CORE systems.

The only reference i can find where CCP explicitly addresses aiming for kb/m or DS3 is from CCP Remnant in the 'Advancing the Core' presentation, and there smooth aiming is referenced in the context of aim assist.


Does CCP really think that their unassisted DS3 aiming and their kb/m aiming is good enough?