So apparently IWS has known exactly why DUST keeps loosing numbers since chromosome. And it has nothing to do with gun game or clunky aiming mechanics that has plagued DUST since Uprising launch. And nothing to do with an Active Aim assist that tracks targets for you.

Apparently to him actually understanding how a gun works in practicality like at a gun range... Wouldn't help game development, even when almost every major FPS title goes out and does that research first hand.
And yes even in China there are options to do this silly.
http://www.tour-beijing.com/sportstour/china_north_international_shooting_range.php

Halo gave us a generation of Shooters with health points that recover over time, and possibly the shield Idea(Not that CCP wouldn't of done it in a FPS)
"Microsoft announced last night that Halo 4 made over $220 million worldwide in the first 24 hours on sale"
With those sale numbers you would think the game would have some kind of life still? but its a dead game with those numbers... and one of the biggest publishing backers in software.

We aren't gonna match halo numbers,there is to much that goes with Halo besides a video game. The fact is DUST is boring other then playing with friends and leveling your character. And this never was the case until Aim assist came in and took out all the challenge and sense of achievement in killing someone.

You just don't like that your idea of adding Aim Assist back into the game has been one of the key factors to the DUST community Dieing since September. And can no longer blame the lack of summer vacations... Seeing how we just went through the biggest holiday season in the year with even worse numbers.

Wrong type of gun range:

http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab302/MP0117/darcpic_2.jpeg located in Arkansas is far more practical for a developer to learn to get through for the kind of game we're in. While a paintball range would be near equivalent most of your PP guns are nowhere near as massive nor heavy and cumbersome as real equipment.

Also if the only thing you think Halo did was give us regenerative health you need to look at the far much larger picture

Example:
Before Halo
http://wadido.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/nerd.jpg
After Halo
http://web-images.chacha.com/images/which-high-school-stereotype-are-you-jun-5-2012-600x400.jpg

Had halo followed the exact formula that attracted the same customers counterstrike attracts; the former will likely still be applied today and consoles would still continue to struggle to be in everyone's livings rooms, steam would not be making its own console and http://createyoursuccess.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/people_casual_clothes.jpg would have been the trend of players being tracked as the first major shift in games which would likely seen the start of ea and other publishers rampaging into the 'mobile market' like no tommarow.

Why I would hazard to say the reason why counter strike is not popular is for the same exact reasons dust 514 is not that popular either. Which is taking one of these http://createyoursuccess.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/people_casual_clothes.jpg and turning them into one of these http://www.gamergirltay.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Wild-Gamer2.jpg in 10 minutes.

I'll come back and edit this in an hour when i can deal with responding to this much stupid. from the first link.... my gawd I swear you are meta gaming CCP to ruin DUST.

IWS as bad as any feature in DUST EST he became CPM.

my gawd I swear you are meta gaming CCP to ruin DUST.

IWS as bad as any feature in DUST EST he became CPM.

So says the nerdy game boy who cannot take off his gamer glasses for 5 seconds and play scientist a short bit to understand what ticks and what doesn't.

Right now there is over 85k people just on the PC... and it's a consistent number..

http://steamcommunity.com/app/730

IWS can't really be trying to question the legitimacy of Counter-strike as a reference... and defend DUST... *Eyes start to cry blood*

So tell me where does this have to do with:

Gun ranges.
or
Valve Porting to Console control theory.

Honestly there is no case you can bring up that explains the red chart and the relationship it has with blue chart.

so, now that you own nothing you've decided to put your time into foolish forum posts?

sounds like the last gasp of a dead alliance.

You've already been told.. Counter strike still kicks the crap out of your halo... always has through all of them 1-4 and will still be around when DUST is dead, however regrettable that thought is.

The thought that Halo brought the "Cool Kids" to First person shooters is.... Seriously? really? when do we get another vote for CPM? You understand Heaton Example Was liek the staple for Counter-strike.

I TRIED to find a cool Halo competition for players example...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBUmlpSVLj8

Halo isn't some game that brought "Cool" to gaming... like my gawd... must be cool in your world. full of magical ferries and big mushrooms everywhere? prancing deer and bunny's talking and all that?

And Do you freaking research PLEASE if your gonna Done the "CPM" you mis-representing the community your supposedly representing...
http://kotaku.com/5626214/what-do-game-developers-know-about-real-guns
Many many many articles prove that all developers goto shooting ranges...... that want to create a true gun experience.. or care. At all.
How does linking This Say anyting about a real life realistic example.. a paint ball range? Or what they are supposed to run around with real guns? You want them to just get exorcise or something? confusing

Your part of the problem IWS and a huge part to blame for both the Aim Assist that has actively killed this community and the AV Efficacy reduction while simultaneously pushing Tank buffs.. Knowing what this community has been through with over tweaking. I ask you again, are you Meta gaming CCP for something they did?, And actively trying to kill DUST?

I miss my friends who won't log back on and alot of the issues are for thing's you have actively pushed and defended on these very forums while insulting the people that have come here to voice there opinions and causing a hostile reactional environment to your posting.

so, now that you own nothing you've decided to put your time into foolish forum posts?

sounds like the last gasp of a dead alliance.

this issue goes beyond owning districts... or sides of beefs or ones own spare time

dust... only 4-5k people playing it

i dont think so... 4-5k playing at any point in time yes

WOW certainly doesn't have 12mil people playing it at any point in time.

eve has about 500k yet only 30-40k are active at a time

if we assume everyone plays for an hour a day then that gives us about 92k-115k players daily (not accurate so dont quote me on these numbers) and not everyone plays daily. really the only ones here that can tell us the real numbers are ccp

You're ********, Trauma center level has nothing to with quality, it's a preparedness rating on the severity of injuries they are equipped to handle, and they are rated up to 5. You may have been right if you said there's no such thing as a level IV trauma center with an ICU.

Yeah let's all talk about gamer preference all day long and get nowhere either as neither side will ever be convinced one other games is not a tragedy to the shooting gaming environment.

And about me misrepresenting, you need to understand nearly all of the people I am representing do NOT want this game to play like halo, Counter Strike, fallout or any other goddamn shooter out there. They want Dust 514 to play like Dust 514 and they have told me the controls are not right still and I keep forwarding that message on many pain points from simple stupid controller unresponsiveness, intermittent AA performance on various clients, Double sensitivity reads, to just simple movement in the environment being horrifically bad from scaling hills, quick sand traps, and wall snags or higher than it looks railings, that list is exhaustively long and I have been relaying it whenever chances I do get concerning it.

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And back at you about research:
This
is not a paint ball range

It is a tactical range.
DARC
Direct Action Resource Center

They teach breaching, sweeping, and host of other situations that occur that would get you killed in real life like how to deal with a weapon jam on the spot. A normal gun range you sit there and fiddle with the gun to get the obstruction cleared. This range you clear it, you clear it quick, you clear it fast, you clear it safe, or you're labeled dead.

Basically the difference between http://shop.sklz.com/accessories/quicksterr-qb-trainer-7-x-7/invt/qksqb01?gclid=CIr05cSO27sCFWMV7Aod4mkApw and http://media.lehighvalleylive.com/lehigh_impact/photo/gerard-poutier-c776d4a323399bc5.jpg

Watching videos, playing it safe and controlled, and dumbed down life experiences are no excuse for those who nearly get or do get killed undramatically recreating scenes you enjoy in your games.

Sadly Life is so poorly designed

Well, I work in a level 1 trauma center, so whether or not the semantics of the word "quality" is correct is really besides the point. A level one trauma center takes care of the highest severity of illness and has the greatest resources, so you can call that whatever you want compared to a lower level. You got me on the 5 levels though, never really dealt with anything formally classified lower than a 3 directly.

(Anyway, who cares, I was just in a sarcastic mood at the time, we should get back to important things like video game input devices!)

You play FPS on a rig? KB/M

You play on console? controller.


Reason why KZ3 had that whole uprising and forced KZ4 to never integrate move in. And KZ has NO AIM ASSITS. But I'm sure KZ players already know this.

You don't mix the two. And their is a reason tho why AA is on, if you do mix the two. As a FPS player both RIG and Console, you can't tell me any controller can compete (with out AA) with a mouse. Come on! Who you kidding? LOL Doesn't mean a bad FPS rig player will beat a seasoned console fps player. But when you put two season FPS players on then it really shows. it's what happened with the move.

because he quoted me so nicely....

you quote a picture with cinderblocks in a mock building for tactics players would create regardless givin the tools in a game.

he quoted an article of every major FPS game developer explaining their credentials with real world use of firearms. not real use of tactics in the real world and how that works in DUST.

Lastly from my own personal view point DUST was DUST when everyone was aiming for themself. When DUST was about personal skill as much as the suit you where wearing at the time. People are moving to titles without aim assist, BF4 got bad reviews because it was so strong, CoD is a growing joke in the FPS community and has to re release a product nearly anually to stay relevant.

DUST has been DUST longer without AA then it has with. And has been better at it. this is fact amoungst the consensus. i just wished you represented it.

Interesting, we didn't get into trauma centers in sociology of disasters though the whole medical side was lightly touched on the entire course.

Also counter strike? :P horrible shooter...

...quickest reflexes nullifies any fun...

Congrats on ridding yourself of that last shed of credibility before new year's!

Congrats on ridding yourself of that last shed of credibility before new year's!

On top of this based on estimates from Sony.

Counter Strike across all 5 of its games (not 1 not 2 not 3 or 4 but FIVE GAMES) combined take up appox only 0.2% (and this is being nice but its probably closer to 0.09% or much lesser) of the entire potential market.

That means 99.8% of gamers in the world don't bother with counter strike.

You're talking to the same guy that Regards Star Craft II multiplayer as horrifically terrible as well (single player was amazing).

If you can figure out why I dislike the game so much then you too can understand why I find such a large number of multiplayer games boring.

According to eveoffline we have been staying at 3K players for awhile, remind me how dust is dead?

Haha, Scrub.

Jk

SC2 multiplayer is awesome, if you are into RTS. I played warcraft 1, 2, 3 - Starcraft 1 and 2. Multiplayer has always been great. Most people I know, that have tried starcraft, hated multiplayer.

Wanna know why, BECAUSE IT IS HARD. Imagine dust without aim assist. Takes skill, planning, scouting, and some ultra fast pin point clicking to beat a good opponent. Love starcraft, great multiplayer.

So all you took from this entire thread is "Dust is dead" ?