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Atiim wrote:

MassiveNine wrote:

lol atiim. You have no grounds to talk as you're just another FOTM chaser. You can call yourself a tanker or infantry AV guy but truth is just because you can do something doesn't mean you're good at it. And by the way I've been dedicated AV/heavy since chromosome. Seriously, stop trying to act like you're some expert at everything when you're really just some punk kid who gets a couple of kills and thinks he's a professional. Swarm launchers had their time to shine when the range was ridiculously OP, now I agree the range should be buffed back up to 200m but fact remains you can still kill a tank with them. All the crybabys talking about how they cant kill tanks with just 2 volleys anymore, get over yourself. It was OP and now it's mostly balanced maybe instead of insta-locking and firing you could push it somewhere where you can swarm it better and wait for it's reppers/hardeners to wear off. It's not that hard but I guess it is when you're stupid.

FoTM Chaser? How So?

You can also kill a tank with a Flaylock Pistol or Assault MD. Just because you 'can' kill think tank doesn't mean that you will kill the tank.

You just lost all credibility with that statement. A tank can easily GTFO when they have both NOS and the ability to cycle 2 hardners.

Question. What is your AV weapon of choice? Forge Gun I assume?

No good tank fit has ever died within 2-3 volleys of my Swarm Launcher. Not even with Prof V and 3 complex damage mods

MassiveNine wrote:

Seriously Atiim you're like that guy who thinks "oh I tried it once now I know everything there possibly is to ever know and anyone who says different is wrong." Here's a good idea, pull your head out of your ass and smell the roses sweetheart cause you have a long way to go before you're a professional at anything. I've seen you play. Between the lack luster gun game, hissy fits, and horrible suit loadouts it's hard to imagine where you even got the idea you know what you're talking about.

Hissy fits? I only remember raging twice when playing DUST, and I wasn't in a squad so I honestly have no idea what your talking about. Fittings? Do you even know my fittings?

I don't claim to be the best at anything, in fact in multiple threads I have said that I'm not the best at anything. However you don't have to be the very best at everything to form an educated opinion on something.

"Gun Game". My gun game seems to do just fine considering how I win most of the gunfights I get into.

Say what you want. Doesn't make what I'm saying any less true.

P.S. Do I know you? I don't remember playing with you before. Should I know you?

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Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 574	Posted - 2013.12.23 18:40:00 - [151] - Quote Requesting thread lock due to it devolving into apes throwing **** at each other instead of discussing infantry AV solutoins you all should be ashamed of yoruselves
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1009	Posted - 2013.12.23 18:40:00 - [152] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: all im hear is people agreeing with me, saying tanks are easy to kill.... then bitching that they dont want to have to do it. theres two groups here those that believe tanks are easy to kill and they just dont want to have to kill tanks in a game with tanks. and those that think tanks are invincable and they are just terrible at killing them. wich group does everyone belong in i wonder? and since tanks are so damn easy to kill as infantry (they are) why are people still compaining about em? there is also an objective group who want a fair fight. People want this game to succeed. When I can get off four shots with a gatsuns forge gun because a tank feels no sense of danger something is wrong. 2x complex mods. The tank just turned and blasted me down. I also have Prof 4. wait till their hardeners are down. Ok. I'll just weather sustained blaster and infantry fire for 24-36 seconds. work as a team. That's a good idea, but there is only so much a squad can do. I will just have to drop a tank. They are cheap and effective. This isn't my job though and getting forced into something even a hobby like tanking sucks. There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2440	Posted - 2013.12.23 18:44:00 - [153] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Requesting thread lock due to it devolving into apes throwing **** at each other instead of discussing infantry AV solutoins you all should be ashamed of yoruselves Well it could have been a discussion, but then people started spreading lies around about things, and we can't allow that now can we? You won't have much luck though. CCP will only lock the thread if they find that it violates the rules of the General Discussions section, which it has yet to do (by technicality) We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven 687	Posted - 2013.12.23 18:45:00 - [154] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Requesting thread lock due to it devolving into apes throwing **** at each other instead of discussing infantry AV solutoins you all should be ashamed of yoruselves What is there to discuss? The only solution here for infantry AV is to get gud scrub. None of the heavies in my corp have any problems dealing with tanks on their own. God forbid two of us are AVing in the same match cause no tank would survive. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2440	Posted - 2013.12.23 18:47:00 - [155] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Requesting thread lock due to it devolving into apes throwing **** at each other instead of discussing infantry AV solutoins you all should be ashamed of yoruselves What is there to discuss? The only solution here for infantry AV is to get gud scrub. None of the heavies in my corp have any problems dealing with tanks on their own. God forbid two of us are AVing in the same match cause no tank would survive. Now what about the people with Swarm Launchers or Plasma Cannons? Oh wait, your probably another tanker who thinks that the FG should be the only viable AV weapon We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 397	Posted - 2013.12.23 18:48:00 - [156] - Quote I've said it a hundred times. The issue is AV isn't fun. Not for most people. Nobody wants to run around these maps trying to kill tanks when they can just drive over a hill or around a corner after their regen or hardeners run out. Rail rifles actually make this a lot worse because side arms are not remotely competitive at the ranges rails have. So you pass up bring able to fight 12 players abd leave yourself vulnerable to them so you can fight the 4 guys in tanks? Nope. Not fun at all. Everyone talks hav vs AV in terms of balance but not in terms of what is fun. You could also make it so if I read 100 pages from a dictionary out loud all tanks die and that would be amazing AV. But nobody would do it because it'd be boring and this is a game that we play for fun.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 694	Posted - 2013.12.23 18:51:00 - [157] - Quote Been forced to run my forge gun/av nade fit again whenever there is a tank on the field. When I run the forge I can keep 1-2 tanks off my squad with decent success rates. I don't always get the kill/destroy, but area denial works well when the rest of my squad backs me up. Of course the battlefield plays a role in this, do I have cover, does the enemy have good infantry supporting their tank, etc. Then it gets a bit hairy when there are 3+ tanks on the field. And the games that get really messy are those where our team doesn't have any tankers running. My fix would be simple and like many others have suggested.. limit the number of tanks per side to 2-3 max, and many of these QQ threads will go away. 5-6 tanks per side (or whatever is the max) is ludicrous given the current state of Tanks/Dropships versus AV.. 16 player max... low cost of tanks, survivability through running and cooldowns, and lastly the ability to recall the tank and drop a new one with fresh cooldowns. Its pretty broken.. they can drop em wherever, recall them wherever, but if I am running my infantry suit the only way I can switch to AV is to visit a supply depot or die/suicide and come back. Most good tankers destroy enemy supply depots to remove the ability for players to switch to AV to take them out. I understand why they put in the "recall" button months ago, but now.. with the low cost... and infantry not having a "recall" button for their suits which are twice as expensive as a MLT tank.. broken broken broken. It would be awesome if I can call in a fresh suit that drops down from the sky that I can switch to by pressing a button. SoonTM. lol I ran into Snuggles from R* last night in a domination on the rings map. He went 33-0 with his DS.... we had two dedicated forge gunners blasting him whenever he would come around, and his shield hardeners along with missile turrets and strong infantry presence was destroying us. That map is ideal for a DS by the objective, since all the buildings block any outside tankers from hitting him.. and his insane ability to kill infantry and equipment with those damn missiles. The funny part was he went away for about 5 minutes towards the end of the match.. we cleared the infantry, took the point, setup a perimeter and the battle swayed to our side.. he came back in his DS and the tide of the battle turned again instantly. I know he is one of the best DS pilots in the game, but the feeling of helplessness was ever present in that battle. It was a good one, and without the DS pilot we would have certainly won...
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven 688	Posted - 2013.12.23 18:52:00 - [158] - Quote Atiim wrote: MassiveNine wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Requesting thread lock due to it devolving into apes throwing **** at each other instead of discussing infantry AV solutoins you all should be ashamed of yoruselves What is there to discuss? The only solution here for infantry AV is to get gud scrub. None of the heavies in my corp have any problems dealing with tanks on their own. God forbid two of us are AVing in the same match cause no tank would survive. Now what about the people with Swarm Launchers or Plasma Cannons? Oh wait, your probably another tanker who thinks that the FG should be the only viable AV weapon lol atiim. You have no grounds to talk as you're just another FOTM chaser. You can call yourself a tanker or infantry AV guy but truth is just because you can do something doesn't mean you're good at it. And by the way I've been dedicated AV/heavy since chromosome. Seriously, stop trying to act like you're some expert at everything when you're really just some punk kid who gets a couple of kills and thinks he's a professional. Swarm launchers had their time to shine when the range was ridiculously OP, now I agree the range should be buffed back up to 200m but fact remains you can still kill a tank with them. All the crybabys talking about how they cant kill tanks with just 2 volleys anymore, get over yourself. It was OP and now it's mostly balanced maybe instead of insta-locking and firing you could push it somewhere where you can swarm it better and wait for it's reppers/hardeners to wear off. It's not that hard but I guess it is when you're stupid. Seriously Atiim you're like that guy who thinks "oh I tried it once now I know everything there possibly is to ever know and anyone who says different is wrong." Here's a good idea, pull your head out of your ass and smell the roses sweetheart cause you have a long way to go before you're a professional at anything. I've seen you play. Between the lack luster gun game, hissy fits, and horrible suit loadouts it's hard to imagine where you even got the idea you know what you're talking about. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2443	Posted - 2013.12.23 19:11:00 - [159] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: lol atiim. You have no grounds to talk as you're just another FOTM chaser. You can call yourself a tanker or infantry AV guy but truth is just because you can do something doesn't mean you're good at it. And by the way I've been dedicated AV/heavy since chromosome. Seriously, stop trying to act like you're some expert at everything when you're really just some punk kid who gets a couple of kills and thinks he's a professional. Swarm launchers had their time to shine when the range was ridiculously OP, now I agree the range should be buffed back up to 200m but fact remains you can still kill a tank with them. All the crybabys talking about how they cant kill tanks with just 2 volleys anymore, get over yourself. It was OP and now it's mostly balanced maybe instead of insta-locking and firing you could push it somewhere where you can swarm it better and wait for it's reppers/hardeners to wear off. It's not that hard but I guess it is when you're stupid. FoTM Chaser? How So? You can also kill a tank with a Flaylock Pistol or Assault MD. Just because you 'can' kill think tank doesn't mean that you will kill the tank. You just lost all credibility with that statement. A tank can easily GTFO when they have both NOS and the ability to cycle 2 hardners. Question. What is your AV weapon of choice? Forge Gun I assume? No *good* tank fit has ever died within 2-3 volleys of my Swarm Launcher. Not even with Prof V and 3 complex damage mods MassiveNine wrote: Seriously Atiim you're like that guy who thinks "oh I tried it once now I know everything there possibly is to ever know and anyone who says different is wrong." Here's a good idea, pull your head out of your ass and smell the roses sweetheart cause you have a long way to go before you're a professional at anything. I've seen you play. Between the lack luster gun game, hissy fits, and horrible suit loadouts it's hard to imagine where you even got the idea you know what you're talking about. Hissy fits? I only remember raging twice when playing DUST, and I wasn't in a squad so I honestly have no idea what your talking about. Fittings? Do you even know my fittings? I don't claim to be the best at anything, in fact in multiple threads I have said that I'm not the best at anything. However you don't have to be the very best at everything to form an educated opinion on something. "Gun Game". My gun game seems to do just fine considering how I win most of the gunfights I get into. Say what you want. Doesn't make what I'm saying any less true. P.S. Do I know you? I don't remember playing with you before. Should I know you? We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 261	Posted - 2013.12.23 19:35:00 - [160] - Quote Apes throwing *** at each other* That is general reaction when 'Tanker' apes threaten the smaller and more numerous 'AV' monkeys and give us a load of **** about because they think as they are bigger they should own the tree .. I run demolitions and with support from team Tanks can be dealt with, especially with FG support As right now the FG is the only thing challenging most tanks while they run away. There is a common opinion that 1 guy should not take on a tank solo, which makes sense ..... but doesn't work If a Tank doesn't look out for the dangers of Infantry he deserves to be punished, In most battles now it is tricky dealing with tankers that aren't exactly skilled and coming up against the better tankers is a nightmare, Why shouldn't a HAV be solo'd if he remained completely oblivious to the Infantry flanking or trapping him in a tight spot ??? Tankers need to be smart and they have 2 seats to have squad intel available, along with the use of scanners so they should know exactly where the AV infantry are positioned so If a tanker isn't paying attention and covering himself he should die. if 4/5 infantry are running AV in squad then a HAV breaching that area should be impossible Right now we have to deal with tanks that are clearly too hard to take out without another HAV I don't see why anyone is trying to disagree with this Rebel scum since closed beta

pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1499	Posted - 2013.12.23 19:44:00 - [161] - Quote Atiim wrote: pegasis prime wrote: right *** lets get this strait DONT you ever call me a liar you *** piece of scum......you are nothing but the load that should have been swallowed you *** moron how di you even manage to climb out of your *** testtube you *** freek .... right now thats out of the way ........vehicle sp was refunded because of a major overhaul of how the vehicle skill tree works as well as the removal of specific skills .....any skills that were left behind had different prerecs and functions or we would have Kept them or are you too stupid to understand that concept . im beginging to think you ether are an autistic piece of *** rubber or just a lame troll.. now off . I just looked up the definition of the word "liar". Yes you are a liar. Please don't try to bull$#!t me, or anyone for that matter. Every single skill under the Vehicle Command, Vehicle Upgrades, and Turret Operation was refunded, regardless of wether or not the skill currently exists. I checked myself the second I finished downloading the 1.7 patch. all 7,195,000 SP into the vehicle related skills were refunded. Otherwise I'd still have a few million still into the Turret Operation. The prerequisites of virtually all skills were changed. I, and everyone still received a complete respec from the skills that still remain unchanged in terms of skill perquisites. I'll bet you 200mil ISK right now that every skill was refunded. Autistic piece of (expletive) rubber? I don't have autism but I don't think it's polite to insult disabiled people is such matter. Lame troll? Aside from obvious trolls or jokes in other threads I have yet to lie about anything, as all of my claims are based from facts that can easily be proven upon desire. sigh you really are stupid arnt you did you read my other posts in this thread no....because your a *** moron that's why.......just stop really stop before you look even more traded........ also so your saying that the extensions of the vehicle command and turret operation didn't change so they didn't need refunding ????? look again son and come back when your not having your dumb as moments... folks like you should just delet dust and never come back all you do is moan about vehiles in a game that advertises its vehicle content extensively can you not see how moronic that is ....probably not because you are just a *** ****.... Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 576	Posted - 2013.12.23 19:51:00 - [162] - Quote Stop guys just stop, nothing productive is happening here. everybodys wrong, everybodys been an ass let the thread die and move on with your lives
DeadlyAztec11 2887	Posted - 2013.12.23 19:53:00 - [163] - Quote smh. All are punished. ALL ARE PUNISHED! »We still have our honor!
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1771	Posted - 2013.12.23 19:56:00 - [164] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Stop guys just stop, nothing productive is happening here. everybodys wrong, everybodys been an ass let the thread die and move on with your lives productivity from the dust community? you'd have better luck getting cows milk from a gorilla no, unproductive threads and QQ are the signature of the dust community. this thread belongs at the top of page one. don't run from your own thread coward! stop the lol bans in FW.... instead make teamkillers purple! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129910&fi
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 576	Posted - 2013.12.23 19:57:00 - [165] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Stop guys just stop, nothing productive is happening here. everybodys wrong, everybodys been an ass let the thread die and move on with your lives productivity from the dust community? you'd have better luck getting cows milk from a gorilla no, unproductive threads and QQ are the signature of the dust community. this thread belongs at the top of page one. don't run from your own thread coward! fine then this thread is now about bacon, those that love it, those that hate it, and its uses on the battlefield as a form of AV i lure tankers out of their tanks witht he smell of bacon
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1499	Posted - 2013.12.23 20:03:00 - [166] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Stop guys just stop, nothing productive is happening here. everybodys wrong, everybodys been an ass let the thread die and move on with your lives ill move on when you send me some of that bacon ... Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 576	Posted - 2013.12.23 20:16:00 - [167] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Stop guys just stop, nothing productive is happening here. everybodys wrong, everybodys been an ass let the thread die and move on with your lives ill move on when you send me some of that bacon ... this thread is BYOB - Bring your own bacon
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 446	Posted - 2013.12.23 20:19:00 - [168] - Quote Can we get the title changed to "bacon sammich?"
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven 689	Posted - 2013.12.23 20:21:00 - [169] - Quote Atiim wrote: MassiveNine wrote: lol atiim. You have no grounds to talk as you're just another FOTM chaser. You can call yourself a tanker or infantry AV guy but truth is just because you can do something doesn't mean you're good at it. And by the way I've been dedicated AV/heavy since chromosome. Seriously, stop trying to act like you're some expert at everything when you're really just some punk kid who gets a couple of kills and thinks he's a professional. Swarm launchers had their time to shine when the range was ridiculously OP, now I agree the range should be buffed back up to 200m but fact remains you can still kill a tank with them. All the crybabys talking about how they cant kill tanks with just 2 volleys anymore, get over yourself. It was OP and now it's mostly balanced maybe instead of insta-locking and firing you could push it somewhere where you can swarm it better and wait for it's reppers/hardeners to wear off. It's not that hard but I guess it is when you're stupid. FoTM Chaser? How So? You can also kill a tank with a Flaylock Pistol or Assault MD. Just because you 'can' kill think tank doesn't mean that you will kill the tank. You just lost all credibility with that statement. A tank can easily GTFO when they have both NOS and the ability to cycle 2 hardners. Question. What is your AV weapon of choice? Forge Gun I assume? No *good* tank fit has ever died within 2-3 volleys of my Swarm Launcher. Not even with Prof V and 3 complex damage mods MassiveNine wrote: Seriously Atiim you're like that guy who thinks "oh I tried it once now I know everything there possibly is to ever know and anyone who says different is wrong." Here's a good idea, pull your head out of your ass and smell the roses sweetheart cause you have a long way to go before you're a professional at anything. I've seen you play. Between the lack luster gun game, hissy fits, and horrible suit loadouts it's hard to imagine where you even got the idea you know what you're talking about. Hissy fits? I only remember raging twice when playing DUST, and I wasn't in a squad so I honestly have no idea what your talking about. Fittings? Do you even know my fittings? I don't claim to be the best at anything, in fact in multiple threads I have said that I'm not the best at anything. However you don't have to be the very best at everything to form an educated opinion on something. "Gun Game". My gun game seems to do just fine considering how I win most of the gunfights I get into. Say what you want. Doesn't make what I'm saying any less true. P.S. Do I know you? I don't remember playing with you before. Should I know you? Lol. Credibility. On a forum. Cute. It's obvious that you're young and dumb and you think you know it all, so at this point there's no reason to argue with you since you think you have these amazing comebacks to everything. Just because you play a fit a few times by no means gives you an educated opinion. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 577	Posted - 2013.12.23 20:22:00 - [170] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: Lol. Credibility. On a forum. Cute. It's obvious that you're young and dumb and you think you know it all, so at this point there's no reason to argue with you since you think you have these amazing comebacks to everything. Just because you play a fit a few times by no means gives you an educated opinion. off topic post that has no referance to bacon... im disapointed in you

CrotchGrab 360 687	Posted - 2013.12.23 20:22:00 - [171] - Quote oh dayum the gloves have come off!
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 446	Posted - 2013.12.23 20:29:00 - [172] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Can we get the title changed to "bacon sammich?" U no like toast?
bear90211 Nyain San Renegade Alliance 146	Posted - 2013.12.23 20:43:00 - [173] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131426&find=unread Heavies are still squishy to my AR, just 5 rounds into them extra ;D hmm, I want taco's...
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1499	Posted - 2013.12.23 20:45:00 - [174] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: pegasis prime wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Stop guys just stop, nothing productive is happening here. everybodys wrong, everybodys been an ass let the thread die and move on with your lives ill move on when you send me some of that bacon ... this thread is BYOB - Bring your own bacon sigh *kicks stone on the ground turns round and walks away.....looks back longingly for bacon only to be disappointed. Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 387	Posted - 2013.12.23 23:02:00 - [175] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: medomai grey wrote: I have an anti-tank fit... It's called a tank. The problem with swarms and AV grenades is that they're not effective against vehicles on their cool down, when vehicles are suppose to be vulnerable. Theses weapons have trouble taking out LAVs and dropships, not just tanks. Although for some of you the entire game seems to revolve around tanks... Assault forgeguns need to less damage than their regular counterpart. Yeah nerf AV, it's so OP! And nerf flaylocks and contact nades while you're at it English is your second language, isn't it. Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 360	Posted - 2013.12.23 23:03:00 - [176] - Quote So is my new corp. What a coincidence.
Ryme Intrinseca 421	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:05:00 - [177] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: medomai grey wrote: I have an anti-tank fit... It's called a tank. The problem with swarms and AV grenades is that they're not effective against vehicles on their cool down, when vehicles are suppose to be vulnerable. Theses weapons have trouble taking out LAVs and dropships, not just tanks. Although for some of you the entire game seems to revolve around tanks... Assault forgeguns need to less damage than their regular counterpart. Yeah nerf AV, it's so OP! And nerf flaylocks and contact nades while you're at it English is your second language, isn't it. 'Assault forgeguns need to less damage than their regular counterpart' confirms (1) that you're trying to nerf the only halfway viable AV and (2) that my English is better than yours. Get good, grammar scrub
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 577	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:06:00 - [178] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: medomai grey wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: medomai grey wrote: I have an anti-tank fit... It's called a tank. The problem with swarms and AV grenades is that they're not effective against vehicles on their cool down, when vehicles are suppose to be vulnerable. Theses weapons have trouble taking out LAVs and dropships, not just tanks. Although for some of you the entire game seems to revolve around tanks... Assault forgeguns need to less damage than their regular counterpart. Yeah nerf AV, it's so OP! And nerf flaylocks and contact nades while you're at it English is your second language, isn't it. 'Assault forgeguns need to less damage than their regular counterpart' confirms (1) that you're trying to nerf the only halfway viable AV and (2) that my English is better than yours. Get good, grammar scrub thats definatly not about bacon GTFO of the bacon thread
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven 689	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:07:00 - [179] - Quote Bacon sandwich with pork loins as buns... yum.... Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 453	Posted - 2013.12.24 00:10:00 - [180] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: Bacon sandwich with pork loins as buns... yum.... Beats the pants off toast..



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