It's a trap!

At the moment there are several suits (e.g. Min assault, which makes your sidearm beastly; Ama logi, which gives you the sidearm plus slots for REs; heavy basic frame, for two damage mod forge) that are especially suited to AV. If you introduced a new AV suit that was worth using, dedicated AV would have millions of SP trapped in what used to be a good proto AV suit. Do we really want to screw infantry over yet again by making their good choices into bad ones by changing the rules of the game?

Couple that with the fact that infantry already have plenty of SP trapped in other once useful but now useless places because they didn't get a respec like the precious vehicle users did, and you can see that not many players would have the SP to spare to go into this new suit. The idea is just an elaborate tanker distraction from the 30%+ damage buff that is evidently needed for all AV weapons, no strings attached.

And nobody wants to actually fullfill the role.


now that being infantry AV is more then just a swap at a supply depot and intakill your problem type of job, nobody wants to actually fill the role as a dedicated tank hunter.

its not like infantry AV doesnt do the job, in skilled hands it even kills tanks solo, both as heavys with forge guns, and infantry with swarms and PLCs.

the problem isnt that these things dont work, they do. the problem is that nobody wants to sit around as AV infantry all game, nobody wants to fill that role. and the team that DOESNT fill that role is going to get a whole lot of tanks on their doorstep.



its not that tanks are OP, its that players arnt adapting into nessesary roles. everyone wants to play that slayer assault suit, or that brawler tank.


pub matches have degraded into pure kill farming, objectives being secondary used as a means to an end.


the game doesnt work like that guys, if you want to win, the team as a whole is going to have to bring the tools nessesary to win, if nobody brings those tools then you dont win its simple.



remember when murder taxi was at an all time high and each and every single foot soldier started equiping AV nades to deal with it? notice how its now tanks doing the same thing but now infantry isnt even bothering with the AV nades?


its not like 6 people with AV nades cant mess up a tank, its likely it will maim and or destroy it nearly instantly and if an entaire team swaped out to AV nades a tank would think twice before driving into the middle of an objective.






its not that rock is OP, its that nobody wants to play paper and everyone wants to play scizors and rock.

ok dude you might be beyond help but ill give it a go.... vehicle users did not get a respect we had sp returned from skills that were REMOVED.. Giving av a specific suit fr=or each race that will give some sort of inherent bonus towards that races racial wepon will help the AV cause , it will also end any QQ from any tanker about the difference in cost of sp to run a fully fit complex tanc compaird to proto av... it would also let avers be a class into their own what is your problem with this ???

do you have any other sollutions other than buffing av outright ????? if not then jog on.

These types of threads show why this game will never get a good player base growing.

Too many cowards and scrubs. The only thing they ever consider is what is easiest, then do that.

No attempt for a challenge, just stomping if they can, nothing more.

That is why none of them have any heavies in their squads, because when the heavy was no good vs infantry, they avoided it like the plague. Now when they need someone in a fat suit with a forge, they have none.

So because they went the easy route with swarms, and now want to go the easy route with MLT tanks, it doesn't matter how you try and argue with them.

All they want is easy mode, however they need it. If it is difficult, they move on to something else, because trying is overrated to most of the people who play this game.

These types of threads show why this game will never get a good player base growing.

Too many cowards and scrubs. The only thing they ever consider is what is easiest, then do that.

No attempt for a challenge, just stomping if they can, nothing more.

That is why none of them have any heavies in their squads, because when the heavy was no good vs infantry, they avoided it like the plague. Now when they need someone in a fat suit with a forge, they have none.

So because they went the easy route with swarms, and now want to go the easy route with MLT tanks, it doesn't matter how you try and argue with them.

All they want is easy mode, however they need it. If it is difficult, they move on to something else, because trying is overrated to most of the people who play this game.

I put up a thread to discuss the possibilities of an av suit with bonuses generated towards each races av weponary but it was soon forgotten and buried beneath all the QQ nerf tank threads.

And nobody wants to actually fullfill the role.


now that being infantry AV is more then just a swap at a supply depot and intakill your problem type of job, nobody wants to actually fill the role as a dedicated tank hunter.

its not like infantry AV doesnt do the job, in skilled hands it even kills tanks solo, both as heavys with forge guns, and infantry with swarms and PLCs.

the problem isnt that these things dont work, they do. the problem is that nobody wants to sit around as AV infantry all game, nobody wants to fill that role. and the team that DOESNT fill that role is going to get a whole lot of tanks on their doorstep.



its not that tanks are OP, its that players arnt adapting into nessesary roles. everyone wants to play that slayer assault suit, or that brawler tank.


pub matches have degraded into pure kill farming, objectives being secondary used as a means to an end.


the game doesnt work like that guys, if you want to win, the team as a whole is going to have to bring the tools nessesary to win, if nobody brings those tools then you dont win its simple.



remember when murder taxi was at an all time high and each and every single foot soldier started equiping AV nades to deal with it? notice how its now tanks doing the same thing but now infantry isnt even bothering with the AV nades?


its not like 6 people with AV nades cant mess up a tank, its likely it will maim and or destroy it nearly instantly and if an entaire team swaped out to AV nades a tank would think twice before driving into the middle of an objective.






its not that rock is OP, its that nobody wants to play paper and everyone wants to play scizors and rock.

ok dude you might be beyond help but ill give it a go.... vehicle users did not get a respect we had sp returned from skills that were REMOVED.. Giving av a specific suit fr=or each race that will give some sort of inherent bonus towards that races racial wepon will help the AV cause , it will also end any QQ from any tanker about the difference in cost of sp to run a fully fit complex tanc compaird to proto av... it would also let avers be a class into their own what is your problem with this ???

do you have any other sollutions other than buffing av outright ????? if not then jog on.

OP is correct

AV players can defo make out a living killing tanks and can do it every game aswell if they really want to, problem is they dont want to because they cant do it solo because they have the IQ of a teaspoon and teamwork is nonexistant

You say this as if tanking has teamwork as a prequisite.

We could AV. Or we could use the better AV, which is a MLT HAV.

Lets see here. 200k per suit with the guarrantee to die 3-4 times trying to kill the tank, while also being shredded and pounded by infantry at the same time.

OR

78k tank with a MLT Railgun that does more damage than any AV weapon in this game could possible hope to achice, theoretical invulnerability from infantry, and the guarantee to die 0-1 times.

Which one should I pick?

my AV fits are

STD plasma cannon with AV nades

and militia swarmer with AV nades or fluxes....


aparently you just suck. i do it without any skills invested and i dont die while i do.

Nope, your a serious liar, and definitely beyond all help.

Vehicle users got a complete respec from the vehicle tree. All SP and ISK invested in all of the skillbooks in Vehicle Command, Vehicle Upgrades, and Turret Operation were completely refunded, which is the definition of a respec.

I'd actually be perfectly fine with an AV suit, but it needs to have an ACTUAL bonus. I'd say a 3% bonus to AV weaponry is fair, and it also follows a design similar to the Minmatar Scout Suit bonus.

What SP? You don't even need to spend SP to not get killed by anything other than a tank. If your a pilot who gets killed by conventional AV in this build than you are either unlucky or a complete scrublord.

Kind of like every thread ever made by AV about V/AV balance.

Ironic isn't it?

right ***** lets get this strait DONT you ever call me a liar you ******* piece of scum......you are nothing but the load that should have been swallowed you ******* moron how di you even manage to climb out of your ******* testtube you ******* freek .... right now thats out of the way ........vehicle sp was refunded because of a major overhaul of how the vehicle skill tree works as well as the removal of specific skills .....any skills that were left behind had different prerecs and functions or we would have Kept them or are you too stupid to understand that concept . im beginging to think you ether are an autistic piece of ******* rubber or just a lame troll.. now **** off .

Your example only works if you are bad on foot and good in tanks.

However, if you are bad in both, then you will be dying regularly to everything.

Well, unless you are hiding in the redline, in which case you are just searching for easy mode because you are a scrub.

Your example only works if you are bad on foot and good in tanks.

However, if you are bad in both, then you will be dying regularly to everything.

Well, unless you are hiding in the redline, in which case you are just searching for easy mode because you are a scrub.

So you admit that you lied? Because in your other post you said that only SP for skills that were changed were refunded, but now you admit that all vehicle SP was refunded regardless of any skills that did not suffer change.

you should probably mention that its mlt tanks your talking about as my fully complex and proto fit gunlogi is most certainly not cheeper than your av fit

I think Atim is right. If I spend an entire skirmish chasing tanks on foot with proto forge and suit, I will usually die 3 or 4 times unless my team is stomping. I'm a pretty good infantry player, 27,000 kills and KDR over 3 (about double that for the month). It's just that a heavy with a forge and SMG is too slow to choose its engagements and is highly vulnerable to both tanks and infantry. It's true that I could die less by towerforging but I don't because that's just as scrubby as hiding in the redline.

I don't use tanks at all, but I really doubt that competent tankers are frequently dieing 3 or 4 times in this build even in militia tanks.

kane fyea did say milita tanks .....

yes, because my paper comes in the form of a whole squad.... without diminishing its AI capabilities


6 man squad with AVs and fluxes with a SINGLE av guy in the mix and you NEVER have to worry about tanks again, not only that but you dont have to get into a tank if you dont want to, and you get to run on the gorund shooting people in the face all you want uninterupted by vehicles.


thats what everyones bitching about wanting isnt it? to run around as infantry and not ahve to worry about a tank owning you unmolested?


im literally handing the solution to everyone on a silver platter, a solution that bends to everyones collective will of

"i dont want to run around hunting tanks all game"
"i dont want to run a tank"
"i want to destroy tanks easily"
"i want to just run around shooting infantry"


the solution is RUN IN A DAMN SQUAD WIITH A SINGLE AV GUY, the collective action of a squad with AV nades and fluxes alone is deadly to a tank, adding the AV guy in there is just the icing.

this thread was started to discuss interesting, simple, and not oftin used ways to kill tanks.


the nerf tanks brigade showed up and ruined proclaiming that they are aware that tanks are easy to kill, instead they just dont like the tools available to kill them.


dont come and tell me its easyer to call in a miliita **** fit to destroy a tank, its not, a good tanker wont be killed by that.

unless you yourself are ALREADY in a tank, and a good tanker yourself, its not easyer to just call in a tank.


infantry AV is alot easyer to do if you are in a squad of infantry and are infantry yourself.


so far the resounding complaint is that its "easyer to call in your own tank to counter a tank" and thats true one some level, its not true if your not a tanker yourself.

for me since i DO have a tank, and was a chromo vetren railtanker back when a tank fight was won before the first shot was fired, its ALOT easyer for me to call in a tank and remove any and all tanks from the bored with my tank, but thats because im better then them at tanking, if i wasnt then my tank would explode and i wouldnt be countering tanks very well in my tank.

rather then do that when i see tanks however, i find infantry solutions, becuase calling in a railtank is a playstyle of its own, and if i wanted to play around in a railgun i would of called it out at the begining of the game, infantry solutions are what people should be focusing on, as their little sicas and somas arnt solving anything, sure your going to kill soe new guy whos using militia, but your going far out of your way to do so. sure militia tanks can go 20-0 without SP involved, but thats against people who dont understand what cover is, and when faced with ZERO oposition whatsoever.

this "its easyer to call in a tank" thing is complete BS, it only works when your a better tanker then they are, and if your infantry with no SP or interest in tanks.... your clearly not going to be a better tanker.


quite bitching and moaning, every point in this thread complaining about tanks is complete and total BS.


pick up some damn AV and work as a squad, becuase you should be working as a squad ANYWAYS, why would a tank on the field suddenly change that?

you dont even have to leave your objective, dont have to gimp yourself against infantry, you dont even have to worry about them shooting you, thats what cover and battle lines are for.

and if the tank lives through the game but you hold the objectives then YOU WIN.

Didnt read much past the OP, so forgive me if im repeating.

To OP: you're either a bad tanker, or you dont use AV.

Yesterday my squad was running dom. The opposition had three tanks and 2 LAVs. Normally, i wouldnt switch to AV as Im much more usefull as a logi, but the tanks were tearin our team up, and i notived they were bad tankers, like really bad (one sat at our spawn and never moved, thought he dc'd till i realized he was still shooting.) So i switched to my proto swarms with adv AV nades. A squadmate was already running proto AV nades. It took our combined forces to take out the one (really bad) tanker and a LAV, and it took damn near the whole match. Less than a minute later, our tanker pulled out his tank, and destroyed every vehicle on the field in what seemed like seconds.

Moral here is, dedicating even one AV guy to hope he can take a bad tanker is just stupid when you can grab a tank and do it so much better.

im both a good tanker, AND us infantry AV

just killed some poor militia tank with a PLC

you dont need to kill the tank, you just need to get it away form the objective your defending.

the fact that you abandoned the game to follow a tank around makes you a bad player.

now do YOU think you would of been able to kill off every tank ont he firld with a shitfit sica of your own? or would you of went BOOM and lost the objective you were defeneding with your squad while you did it?