No I would happily destroy vehicles 24/7 but why do that when militia tanks are better then my proto swarms with prof 4 and three damage mods and cost less.

It's a trap!

At the moment there are several suits (e.g. Min assault, which makes your sidearm beastly; Ama logi, which gives you the sidearm plus slots for REs; heavy basic frame, for two damage mod forge) that are especially suited to AV. If you introduced a new AV suit that was worth using, dedicated AV would have millions of SP trapped in what used to be a good proto AV suit. Do we really want to screw infantry over yet again by making their good choices into bad ones by changing the rules of the game?

Couple that with the fact that infantry already have plenty of SP trapped in other once useful but now useless places because they didn't get a respec like the precious vehicle users did, and you can see that not many players would have the SP to spare to go into this new suit. The idea is just an elaborate tanker distraction from the 30%+ damage buff that is evidently needed for all AV weapons, no strings attached.

Nope, your a serious liar, and definitely beyond all help.

Vehicle users got a complete respec from the vehicle tree. All SP and ISK invested in all of the skillbooks in Vehicle Command, Vehicle Upgrades, and Turret Operation were completely refunded, which is the definition of a respec.

I'd actually be perfectly fine with an AV suit, but it needs to have an ACTUAL bonus. I'd say a 3% bonus to AV weaponry is fair, and it also follows a design similar to the Minmatar Scout Suit bonus.

What SP? You don't even need to spend SP to not get killed by anything other than a tank. If your a pilot who gets killed by conventional AV in this build than you are either unlucky or a complete scrublord.

Kind of like every thread ever made by AV about V/AV balance.

Ironic isn't it?

So you admit that you lied? Because in your other post you said that only SP for skills that were changed were refunded, but now you admit that all vehicle SP was refunded regardless of any skills that did not suffer change.

I think Atim is right. If I spend an entire skirmish chasing tanks on foot with proto forge and suit, I will usually die 3 or 4 times unless my team is stomping. I'm a pretty good infantry player, 27,000 kills and KDR over 3 (about double that for the month). It's just that a heavy with a forge and SMG is too slow to choose its engagements and is highly vulnerable to both tanks and infantry. It's true that I could die less by towerforging but I don't because that's just as scrubby as hiding in the redline.

I don't use tanks at all, but I really doubt that competent tankers are frequently dieing 3 or 4 times in this build even in militia tanks.

kane fyea did say milita tanks .....

I just looked up the definition of the word "liar". Yes you are a liar.

Please don't try to bull$#!t me, or anyone for that matter. Every single skill under the Vehicle Command, Vehicle Upgrades, and Turret Operation was refunded, regardless of wether or not the skill currently exists.

I checked myself the second I finished downloading the 1.7 patch. all 7,195,000 SP into the vehicle related skills were refunded. Otherwise I'd still have a few million still into the Turret Operation.

The prerequisites of virtually all skills were changed. I, and everyone still received a complete respec from the skills that still remain unchanged in terms of skill perquisites.

I'll bet you 200mil ISK right now that every skill was refunded.

Autistic piece of (expletive) rubber? I don't have autism but I don't think it's polite to insult disabiled people is such matter.

Lame troll? Aside from obvious trolls or jokes in other threads I have yet to lie about anything, as all of my claims are based from facts that can easily be proven upon desire.

Stop guys just stop, nothing productive is happening here.

everybodys wrong, everybodys been an ass

let the thread die and move on with your lives

this thread is BYOB - Bring your own bacon