Well.
We could bring AV, or we could bring our own tanks, which do it better than infantry AV while being more versatile.

No I would happily destroy vehicles 24/7 but why do that when militia tanks are better then my proto swarms with prof 4 and three damage mods and cost less.

My recollection of rock-paper-scissors is that paper is better at beating rock than rock is. Can you honestly say that AV is better at destroying a tank than another tank is?

funny how always the same players step out to defend their crutch with what they call "arguments". how often does everyone needs to facepalm and bust your so called "logic" till you understand that the nerf hammer is inevitable?

first of all, if a tank drivers gets caught by a squad of swarms, PLC and AV nades then he did an error and deserver to explode but driver making bad choices is not a factor for balance. factor for balance is risk vs reward. tank speed is still high and what was true for only dropships & LAVs before is now also true for tanks, if things are not going well you turn on that nitro and none of those weapons can keep up. beside that there should not be something that requires the attention of a that many players in a game with limited amount of players per side, this creates artificial power advantage for those teams with more tanks. this should especially not happen when tanks for 100k isk are able to shrug of proto AV weaponry.

second, not everyone has skilled into forges and heavies. beside that, this weapon still needs a good position to fire on a slow frame. you still need atleast proto level to bother a tank. and the tank driver can still gtfo and you just wasted your time.

third, no one wants to wait half a minute, just to see the tank driver gtfo out at the speed of sound when the hardeners are down. waiting the whole game just for a minor chance to kill a tank when the driver did an error? no thanks.

and last, tanks are the better AV, they are cheaper require no SP and rails can even hurt tanks when their hardeners are up. and the best part about tanks: tanks do not give up any killing power against infantry.

He's saying why get proto prof 4 swarms when you can just get a no SP militia tank kill your tank with less effort, and it only takes one person rather than 2-6 people.

PROXY MINES! Now I know your lying through your teeth. Proxy mines are the worst form of AV ever. Even the plasma cannon is more effective.

I can kill tanks with AV but why put the effort in when you can just call in a tank yourself that's a lot more effective. You guys seem to forget what Risk vs Reward is. Why risk doing something when there is something with less risk and more reward.

Like I said any good tanker would have the whole squad killed before they get into AV grenade range. That is unless the tanker is stupid enough to go into a city (?Which only two or three sockets have)

That is if you get all of them to actually hit the tanks and if the tanker is stupid and can't hear the beeping from proxy mines (which is pretty easy to hear). Also that only works if the tankers resist are down which to trap a tank with resists down is not very easy at all. (Which goes back to risk vs reward)

There are only two sockets with cities that tanks can't navigate easily out of the what like 15 others. So I can only do that what like a third of the time if that even.

Kill a good tanker with that method not one of the scrub FOTM tankers. Also proof or GTFO

I can roll over proxy mines with my afterburner before they can even blow up. Also they stop pretty quickly. Quickly enough for someone who actually pays attention to his surroundings and listens for certain sounds (Such as swarms being fired or PROXY MINES BEEPING)

Sorry quoted the wrong post. Also if you can ignore tankers on every map except for manus peak then why would you have to use AV at all. Why not just leave the tankers alone instead of trying to kill them with remotes and proxy mines since they obviously aren't bothering you at all.

That sounds like a lot of work for very little reward. I'd rather call a tank in and destroy 3 before you even destroy 1.

AV may not fear tanks but they do fear infantry. A squad of AV is easy to clean up with a rail rifle.

But then you have to wait for a tank while I'm going to the tank and destroying it. Then I can continually use the tank until it is destroyed or I recall while you have to have nanohives (Which take time to refill and explosives eat through them fast) or run to a supply depot to refill.

Oh and can you tell me why I would use AV when it is less effective and gets less reward over time (Since tanks can kill vehicles 3x faster then infantry AV can. Oh and tanks are still very effective against infantry still while someone with swarms is limited to a sidearm)

So you answered my question 'Can you honestly say that AV is better at destroying a tank than another tank is?' by saying that six AVers (AV grenade=AV) are better than one tank at anti-tank. You should try a career in politics.

The way I remember rock-paper-scissors, one paper would beat one rock. So let's try again.

Is one AV better at taking out a tank than one tank?

Or if you prefer, you can answer this one: What has a better chance of taking out a convoy of six tanks - six tanks or six AVers?

Who said anything about this being a solo game? I even asked you what's better at anti-tank, six tanks or six AV. Not only are you unable to give a straight answer to simple questions, you can't even read. You just went FR.

I gave in. I set aside my forge for a single match and called in a HAV.

Being that I'm not very experienced running an HAV, I made over twenty kills. Sure I lost three HAVs, but I only lost them to other HAVs. One match wasn't a good baseline I admit, but I felt dirty and cheap for using those HAVs. It was much easier than I expected and it didn't cost me anywhere near what a single one of my proto forge fits cost.

yep. Anything less than proto gets you killed. I get plenty of tanks but the cost is thru the roof.

by increasing charge time you have given my enemy 4 more seconds of sustained blaster fire. Since forges do so little dmg it really does a number on my wallet.

I'll just call a tank. Cheaper and easier.

hex what do you think? You still out punchin scouts?

Again you fail at reading comprehension. When did I ever say anything about you being non-infantry?

But I really want us to get along. I like your spunk, in a totally hetero way. So let me assure you that you'll never see me in a tank of any description. I'm just pointing out that when the field is full of tanks but I don't even think about bringing out my proficiency 5 forge gun, something is seriously wrong with the game. I might get the tank, but it's just not worth putting down my AR when any scrub in a militia rail tank will do a better job than my forge.

The game CAN be played by infantry, but it involves a lot of hiding in buildings, which makes it very boring. I've played three matches in the last two weeks; before that I capped every week for six months+.

I'm sure you're having fun making every squad member give up their locus for AV nades, but in that case you'll all die quickly the moment you come in contact with a decent squad. You do realize core locus is a primary weapon for many PC-level players? If you're relying on your rifle you're giving yourself a 600HP disadvantage in most engagements. But I'm sure what you're doing works in pubs, anything does <3

Yep. Your reading comprehension failed again. He didn't say he can't solo a HAV with his forge, he said it's easier with another HAV. Not everybody pulling down militia HAVs are unskilled scrubs.

You didn't state your idea as an option. You din't even state it as a possibility. You stated it as an absolute. Not everyone wants to use your playstyle.

This has to be a joke. There is no possible way anyone on these forums is that stupid. I refuse to believe it. This is a troll thread. Has to be.

Taking away 6 players from a side to hunt tanks instead of helping win the game with objective capping. Ridiculous.



Right. Because being able to do the work of 6 separate players is in no way easier.

So having multiple people less effective at killing other infantry and ignoring objectives to attempt to kill a tank is better than being one man down because you've got a tank that is supporting you?

You'll have to break that down because I'm not seeing it.

Then why did I see you in a tank a few days ago?

Nope. All I saw was you inside a railgun tank. Along with the rest of your squad inside of a tank.

Basic PLC? MLT SL? You must have been going up against some mighty scrublords. Vids or it didn't happen.

Die instantly? I can has booster?

LOLOLOL. 10s? LOLOLOLOLLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. I can easily butcher people well before they get to cover. And if I have my Missile launcher then I can easily kill them with splash damage.

Vids or it didn't happen. Your clearly lying.

Didnt read much past the OP, so forgive me if im repeating.

To OP: you're either a bad tanker, or you dont use AV.

Yesterday my squad was running dom. The opposition had three tanks and 2 LAVs. Normally, i wouldnt switch to AV as Im much more usefull as a logi, but the tanks were tearin our team up, and i notived they were bad tankers, like really bad (one sat at our spawn and never moved, thought he dc'd till i realized he was still shooting.) So i switched to my proto swarms with adv AV nades. A squadmate was already running proto AV nades. It took our combined forces to take out the one (really bad) tanker and a LAV, and it took damn near the whole match. Less than a minute later, our tanker pulled out his tank, and destroyed every vehicle on the field in what seemed like seconds.

Moral here is, dedicating even one AV guy to hope he can take a bad tanker is just stupid when you can grab a tank and do it so much better.

You do realize that a standard Plasma Cannon does more damage than Proto Swarm Launchers right?

Yeah this works well against bad tankers that do not pay any attention otherwise you are dead. If the tank brings 5 friends running with rifles you are in serious troubles.

So even the example the OP brings will fail if the Pilto is running with a squad on his own, so the six vs 1 theory fails. As in this scenario the HAV + 5 Infantry squad will obliberate any 5 AV nade + AV guy squad.

That currently HAV pilots do not even bother to run with a squad (or second HAV) clearly shows how much fear AV causes to them...

Not to mention the crap payout you get for running AV. I double to triple the isk running logi over AV all match

Are you by any chance a tanker?? ... It really seems that way ...

And I described my suit not what I do with it, I was highlighting the cost of a good AV suit
compared to the cost of HAV

He is. I confirmed that a few days ago when I saw him rolling around in a Gunnlogi.

He's also bull$#!tting you when he says that he uses AV to destroy tanks as well.

lol, thanks Atiim
So this is just a biased post, made by a tanker to promote UP AV

If thats how thing work in here, I propose a buff to Core Locus/RE/Plasma Cannon
and a buff to CR RoF ....
oh and minmatar suits need a base 1000 stamina with speed of 11.50

lol, you tell me I'm bad and you make a completely false thread because
We all know Tanks are OP and when CCP fix it every infantry in the game will be
looking to punish tankers ... I look forward to this

productivity from the dust community?

you'd have better luck getting cows milk from a gorilla

no, unproductive threads and QQ are the signature of the dust community.

this thread belongs at the top of page one.

don't run from your own thread coward!

ill move on when you send me some of that bacon ...

Lol. Credibility. On a forum. Cute. It's obvious that you're young and dumb and you think you know it all, so at this point there's no reason to argue with you since you think you have these amazing comebacks to everything. Just because you play a fit a few times by no means gives you an educated opinion.

'Assault forgeguns need to less damage than their regular counterpart' confirms (1) that you're trying to nerf the only halfway viable AV and (2) that my English is better than yours. Get good, grammar scrub