No I would happily destroy vehicles 24/7 but why do that when militia tanks are better then my proto swarms with prof 4 and three damage mods and cost less.

I gave in. I set aside my forge for a single match and called in a HAV.

Being that I'm not very experienced running an HAV, I made over twenty kills. Sure I lost three HAVs, but I only lost them to other HAVs. One match wasn't a good baseline I admit, but I felt dirty and cheap for using those HAVs. It was much easier than I expected and it didn't cost me anywhere near what a single one of my proto forge fits cost.

yep. Anything less than proto gets you killed. I get plenty of tanks but the cost is thru the roof.

by increasing charge time you have given my enemy 4 more seconds of sustained blaster fire. Since forges do so little dmg it really does a number on my wallet.

I'll just call a tank. Cheaper and easier.

hex what do you think? You still out punchin scouts?

first, im infantry dumbass.

and 6 infantry are better at winning the game then 6 tanks, pure and simple.

i added more to the other post as well to flesh out the point. your an idiot if you thank you going to kill proper tankers in your damage mod sica/soma

i have my railtank of old, but im not pulling the thing out just to kill off tanks when im runnign as infantry. if im running in a tank its fromt he start of the tgame till the end. its not an AV solution you pull out in the middle of a game.

also you wont kill me with your crappy militia tanks, so YOUR more effective against my tank as the 6 man squad then in your stupid tank.

hell your more effective in your 6 man squad then if you were all to hop in 6 tanks vs my 1

fighting on a vetrens terms wont kill him, hes better then you at tanking. but your probably better at infantry so use an infantry based solution and you gain the advantage.

Again you fail at reading comprehension. When did I ever say anything about you being non-infantry?

But I really want us to get along. I like your spunk, in a totally hetero way. So let me assure you that you'll never see me in a tank of any description. I'm just pointing out that when the field is full of tanks but I don't even think about bringing out my proficiency 5 forge gun, something is seriously wrong with the game. I might get the tank, but it's just not worth putting down my AR when any scrub in a militia rail tank will do a better job than my forge.

The game CAN be played by infantry, but it involves a lot of hiding in buildings, which makes it very boring. I've played three matches in the last two weeks; before that I capped every week for six months+.

I'm sure you're having fun making every squad member give up their locus for AV nades, but in that case you'll all die quickly the moment you come in contact with a decent squad. You do realize core locus is a primary weapon for many PC-level players? If you're relying on your rifle you're giving yourself a 600HP disadvantage in most engagements. But I'm sure what you're doing works in pubs, anything does <3

if you cant solo a tank with a prof 5 forge gun no wonder your pissed off... that should be simple!

thats not somethign wrong with the game, thats just you sucking at it.

a scrub in a milita tank wont kill a good tanker.... even YOU have better odds with your forge then that.

your last point is conflicting... as a PC team doesnt really give a **** about tanks because of how easy they are to destroy so they dont NEED AV nades.....


i gave a simple and VERY effective solution with a low skill cap that just about any group of 6 can use to solve the problem, and instead of using it i get bitched at for even suggesting its possable.

i dont even need the solution i presented, i solo the damn things when they get anoying both as infantry and in a tank.


dont talk of PC level tactics if you cant solo a tank with a forge as THAT plus tanks are the current anti-tank platform at competitive levels. your obviously not competitive and so have zero insight into those tactics outside of getting stomped by them.

core spam is another issue entirely.


what more do you want other then a way to kill tanks without using a tank?

if you cant solo a tank with a prof 5 forge gun no wonder your pissed off... that should be simple!

thats not somethign wrong with the game, thats just you sucking at it.

a scrub in a milita tank wont kill a good tanker.... even YOU have better odds with your forge then that.

your last point is conflicting... as a PC team doesnt really give a **** about tanks because of how easy they are to destroy so they dont NEED AV nades.....


i gave a simple and VERY effective solution with a low skill cap that just about any group of 6 can use to solve the problem, and instead of using it i get bitched at for even suggesting its possable.

i dont even need the solution i presented, i solo the damn things when they get anoying both as infantry and in a tank.


dont talk of PC level tactics if you cant solo a tank with a forge as THAT plus tanks are the current anti-tank platform at competitive levels. your obviously not competitive and so have zero insight into those tactics outside of getting stomped by them.

core spam is another issue entirely.


what more do you want other then a way to kill tanks without using a tank?

it wouldnt be the case if people would jsut start trying to kill the tanks instead of standing in open ground shooting at it with ARs

Yep. Your reading comprehension failed again. He didn't say he can't solo a HAV with his forge, he said it's easier with another HAV. Not everybody pulling down militia HAVs are unskilled scrubs.

You didn't state your idea as an option. You din't even state it as a possibility. You stated it as an absolute. Not everyone wants to use your playstyle.

a 6 man infantry squad all carrying AV granades with a single dedicated AV guy in the mix WILL mess up vehicles without sacraficing infantry power.

You dont HAVE to run tanks, its easer not to in all honesty.

This has to be a joke. There is no possible way anyone on these forums is that stupid. I refuse to believe it. This is a troll thread. Has to be.

Taking away 6 players from a side to hunt tanks instead of helping win the game with objective capping. Ridiculous.



Right. Because being able to do the work of 6 separate players is in no way easier.

because calling in a tank and leaving your squad alone to go kill something is ALOT more work then just sticking AV nades on all yoru fits and waiting for the tank to come to you while you kill off infantry with support from your squad...


thats not easyer, its more of a pain in the ass, it takes you away from objectives, and its time consuming as while yoru doing that your not helping take or defend objectives.

your an idiot, that squad is designed so that you dont have to hunt tanks... you defend an objective and either the tank doesnt effect you or you destroy it on your turf, your not going anywhere to kill it.

the only "stupid" here is being handed a solution, and instead of trying it out you ***** that it doesnt work before hand then continue to complain about tanks without ever trying anything to kill the damn things.


how many solutions must i test and provide to GD, what exactly will make people happy? how many new and interesting ways can i give people to kill off a tank before people actually start doing it themselves.


how about this, YOU tell me what you want to use to solo a damn tank and ill do it. DONE, its not hard to do.

ive killed tanks with plasma cannons FFS, and i diddnt even leave my objective to do so.

ive killed tanks with a mass driver and flux granades

prox/re traps

militia swarms + AV nades

you name it ive done it at this point.


ive even killed the damn thing by using fluxes and a squad shooting ARs and SMG rounds into its armor.

So having multiple people less effective at killing other infantry and ignoring objectives to attempt to kill a tank is better than being one man down because you've got a tank that is supporting you?

You'll have to break that down because I'm not seeing it.

im not a tanker

i destroy tanks using this method with laughable ease


your a scrub defending a crtuch with no friends who refuses to run in a squad and use teamwork to acomplish tasks.


im using a LP basic PLC and a militia swarm launcher, with a few guys skilled into proxes/remotes to block retreat routs/set traps.


we basically ignore tanks now, if they come near us they die. a few tanks have givin us some trouble, but they susually back off to find easyer prey, most tanks just die instantly.


its a counter to this militia tank spam, sure good tankers will still be alive and kicking, but they will be off nowhere near your objective hiding. if they come back you simply AV them again, if their hardeners are on you simply take some damn cover for 10 seconds THEN AV him

Then why did I see you in a tank a few days ago?

Nope. All I saw was you inside a railgun tank. Along with the rest of your squad inside of a tank.

Basic PLC? MLT SL? You must have been going up against some mighty scrublords. Vids or it didn't happen.

Die instantly? I can has booster?

LOLOLOL. 10s? LOLOLOLOLLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. I can easily butcher people well before they get to cover. And if I have my Missile launcher then I can easily kill them with splash damage.

Vids or it didn't happen. Your clearly lying.

I have to concur. And I think the people that are disagreeing don't employ the teamwork in the actual game to do so. It can be done. I have experienced this myself when the enemy just called in tank after tank.

And you're absolutely correct, no one wants to adapt. You see folks who have 8 different dropsuits for different infantry purposes but yet doesn't have a fit to combat the tanks.

Instead of working together to concoct a solution, they take to forums and want the devs to change it.

And it's repetitive with every build. They want content. We need content!! But nerf this! And nerf that!

I don't understand and I truly believe plenty of folks are not even trying what you suggested. How could they when they're countering the very thing that empowers this game and creates monsters corporations...teamwork.

It's an odd combination. Mercenary. New Eden. Brutal War. Constant death. Backstabbing. Spies. The reputation that the universe is a brutal place to be. All that in the package but we complaining that tanks are ruining the game?

And nobody wants to actually fullfill the role.


now that being infantry AV is more then just a swap at a supply depot and intakill your problem type of job, nobody wants to actually fill the role as a dedicated tank hunter.

its not like infantry AV doesnt do the job, in skilled hands it even kills tanks solo, both as heavys with forge guns, and infantry with swarms and PLCs.

the problem isnt that these things dont work, they do. the problem is that nobody wants to sit around as AV infantry all game, nobody wants to fill that role. and the team that DOESNT fill that role is going to get a whole lot of tanks on their doorstep.



its not that tanks are OP, its that players arnt adapting into nessesary roles. everyone wants to play that slayer assault suit, or that brawler tank.


pub matches have degraded into pure kill farming, objectives being secondary used as a means to an end.


the game doesnt work like that guys, if you want to win, the team as a whole is going to have to bring the tools nessesary to win, if nobody brings those tools then you dont win its simple.



remember when murder taxi was at an all time high and each and every single foot soldier started equiping AV nades to deal with it? notice how its now tanks doing the same thing but now infantry isnt even bothering with the AV nades?


its not like 6 people with AV nades cant mess up a tank, its likely it will maim and or destroy it nearly instantly and if an entaire team swaped out to AV nades a tank would think twice before driving into the middle of an objective.






its not that rock is OP, its that nobody wants to play paper and everyone wants to play scizors and rock.

what playstyle DO you want exactly?

its stated as an aboslute becuase it absolutly works.

why would i give an example of somethign that works effectivly as an "opinion" its not an opinion its a fact, it works , its easy, and its accesable to everyone.

also the EASYEST way is a prox trap, no effort involved. your confuseing easyest with quickest, not the same thing. as you arnt killing a decent tanker unless you are one yourself, making it suddenly not so easy.

never said that the method was the only method, ive made about 5 threads now each detailing completly different simple to use low SP required methods to easily dispose of tanks. all different playstyles.


what playstyle DO you want exactly? you ***** about me providing solutions but dont ever actually explain why your so damn angry that im doing so

Well.
We could bring AV, or we could bring our own tanks, which do it better than infantry AV while being more versatile.

I put up a thread to discuss the possibilities of an av suit with bonuses generated towards each races av weponary but it was soon forgotten and buried beneath all the QQ nerf tank threads.

I did read that thread!!! I agree that it's worthwhile as a solution to balancing the problem. It's true that there is no "anti-vehicle" skill tree for infantry and there are so few weapons that can hurt tanks. Different ammo types for the swarms might be a start, and just a start...