No I would happily destroy vehicles 24/7 but why do that when militia tanks are better then my proto swarms with prof 4 and three damage mods and cost less.

Well.
We could bring AV, or we could bring our own tanks, which do it better than infantry AV while being more versatile.

No I would happily destroy vehicles 24/7 but why do that when militia tanks are better then my proto swarms with prof 4 and three damage mods and cost less.

its not that rock is OP, its that nobody wants to play paper and everyone wants to play scizors and rock.

I have an anti-tank fit... It's called a tank.

The problem with swarms and AV grenades is that they're not effective against vehicles on their cool down, when vehicles are suppose to be vulnerable. Theses weapons have trouble taking out LAVs and dropships, not just tanks. Although for some of you the entire game seems to revolve around tanks...

Assault forgeguns need to less damage than their regular counterpart.

My recollection of rock-paper-scissors is that paper is better at beating rock than rock is. Can you honestly say that AV is better at destroying a tank than another tank is?

funny how always the same players step out to defend their crutch with what they call "arguments". how often does everyone needs to facepalm and bust your so called "logic" till you understand that the nerf hammer is inevitable?

first of all, if a tank drivers gets caught by a squad of swarms, PLC and AV nades then he did an error and deserver to explode but driver making bad choices is not a factor for balance. factor for balance is risk vs reward. tank speed is still high and what was true for only dropships & LAVs before is now also true for tanks, if things are not going well you turn on that nitro and none of those weapons can keep up. beside that there should not be something that requires the attention of a that many players in a game with limited amount of players per side, this creates artificial power advantage for those teams with more tanks. this should especially not happen when tanks for 100k isk are able to shrug of proto AV weaponry.

second, not everyone has skilled into forges and heavies. beside that, this weapon still needs a good position to fire on a slow frame. you still need atleast proto level to bother a tank. and the tank driver can still gtfo and you just wasted your time.

third, no one wants to wait half a minute, just to see the tank driver gtfo out at the speed of sound when the hardeners are down. waiting the whole game just for a minor chance to kill a tank when the driver did an error? no thanks.

and last, tanks are the better AV, they are cheaper require no SP and rails can even hurt tanks when their hardeners are up. and the best part about tanks: tanks do not give up any killing power against infantry.

And nobody wants to actually fullfill the role.


now that being infantry AV is more then just a swap at a supply depot and intakill your problem type of job, nobody wants to actually fill the role as a dedicated tank hunter.

its not like infantry AV doesnt do the job, in skilled hands it even kills tanks solo, both as heavys with forge guns, and infantry with swarms and PLCs.

the problem isnt that these things dont work, they do. the problem is that nobody wants to sit around as AV infantry all game, nobody wants to fill that role. and the team that DOESNT fill that role is going to get a whole lot of tanks on their doorstep.



its not that tanks are OP, its that players arnt adapting into nessesary roles. everyone wants to play that slayer assault suit, or that brawler tank.


pub matches have degraded into pure kill farming, objectives being secondary used as a means to an end.


the game doesnt work like that guys, if you want to win, the team as a whole is going to have to bring the tools nessesary to win, if nobody brings those tools then you dont win its simple.



remember when murder taxi was at an all time high and each and every single foot soldier started equiping AV nades to deal with it? notice how its now tanks doing the same thing but now infantry isnt even bothering with the AV nades?


its not like 6 people with AV nades cant mess up a tank, its likely it will maim and or destroy it nearly instantly and if an entaire team swaped out to AV nades a tank would think twice before driving into the middle of an objective.






its not that rock is OP, its that nobody wants to play paper and everyone wants to play scizors and rock.

you should probably mention that its mlt tanks your talking about as my fully complex and proto fit gunlogi is most certainly not cheeper than your av fit

a 6 man infantry squad all carrying AV granades with a single dedicated AV guy in the mix WILL mess up vehicles without sacraficing infantry power.


you dont HAVE to run tanks, its easer not to in all honesty.

all those threads crying about tanks written by people who both arnt organised, and arnt even willing to put AV nades on their fits just peeve me off.

tanks do it DIFFERENTLYT then infantry AV not really more effectivly, its just easyer for a solo player to use a tank then as solo infantry.


squad wise its alot easyer to have an AV infantry guy with your squad + AV nades on every member then it is to have that one squad mate in a tank.


your other squad mates cover your infantry AV guy (who should probably be very good with a sidearm, SMGs are amazing at this) and that AV guy leads the charge against any vehicle that apears.



i cant figure out why everyones complaining when they arnt even trying to deal with the problem using in game resources.

yes, because my paper comes in the form of a whole squad.... without diminishing its AI capabilities


6 man squad with AVs and fluxes with a SINGLE av guy in the mix and you NEVER have to worry about tanks again, not only that but you dont have to get into a tank if you dont want to, and you get to run on the gorund shooting people in the face all you want uninterupted by vehicles.


thats what everyones bitching about wanting isnt it? to run around as infantry and not ahve to worry about a tank owning you unmolested?


im literally handing the solution to everyone on a silver platter, a solution that bends to everyones collective will of

"i dont want to run around hunting tanks all game"
"i dont want to run a tank"
"i want to destroy tanks easily"
"i want to just run around shooting infantry"


the solution is RUN IN A DAMN SQUAD WIITH A SINGLE AV GUY, the collective action of a squad with AV nades and fluxes alone is deadly to a tank, adding the AV guy in there is just the icing.

This is what I mean. If the tanks are a problem and you are unwilling to adapt to change the situation, then what are you complaining for?

Yea the tanks needs one person to drive a machine that is causing incredible havoc on the field. Who cares about the numbers? Switch over, give em hell back.

you should probably mention that its mlt tanks your talking about as my fully complex and proto fit gunlogi is most certainly not cheeper than your av fit

aparently your all bad since i solo tanks with my militia/basic gear


hell ive killed tanks more then 600m away before.... prox/RE traps are wonderful if you know wher eto put them and hide them



as a solo infantry guy tanks havnt givin me any trouble whatsoever... as a squad tanks are laughably easy to kill that only vertens and old chromo tankers survive.


how is it that i can do these things but all of you that are complaining cant?

AND why is it that when i hand you an amazing tank killing anti-militia tank spam solution instead of using it you ***** that you should have to?

what exactly are you looking for if not a way to kill off the militia tank spam?

He's saying why get proto prof 4 swarms when you can just get a no SP militia tank kill your tank with less effort, and it only takes one person rather than 2-6 people.

because calling in a tank and leaving your squad alone to go kill something is ALOT more work then just sticking AV nades on all yoru fits and waiting for the tank to come to you while you kill off infantry with support from your squad...


thats not easyer, its more of a pain in the ass, it takes you away from objectives, and its time consuming as while yoru doing that your not helping take or defend objectives.

PROXY MINES! Now I know your lying through your teeth. Proxy mines are the worst form of AV ever. Even the plasma cannon is more effective.

I can kill tanks with AV but why put the effort in when you can just call in a tank yourself that's a lot more effective. You guys seem to forget what Risk vs Reward is. Why risk doing something when there is something with less risk and more reward.