Tanks are still easy to kill. All it takes is ONE person who knows how to use their AV weapon properly and that's it. I get 3-4 tank kills minimum per game now since there are so many noob tankers on the field. It's easy to AV full time if you build your suit right.

You do realize that a standard Plasma Cannon does more damage than Proto Swarm Launchers right?

funny how always the same players step out to defend their crutch with what they call "arguments". how often does everyone needs to facepalm and bust your so called "logic" till you understand that the nerf hammer is inevitable?

so lets see, this guy suggests you to squad up with a team full of AV nades and a single AV weapon dude. and this works exactly against one type of tank driver => the scrub that just tries out MLT tanks the first time in a public match. have fun running after a good pilot with awareness & map knowledge.

first of all, if a tank drivers gets caught by a squad of swarms, PLC and AV nades then he did an error and deserver to explode but driver making bad choices is not a factor for balance. factor for balance is risk vs reward. tank speed is still high and what was true for only lower ehp vehicles (dropships & LAVs) before is now also true for high ehp tanks, if things are not going well you turn on that nitro and none of those weapons can keep up. beside that there should not be something that requires the attention of a that many players in a game with limited amount of players per side, this creates artificial power advantage for those teams with more tanks. this should especially not happen when tanks for 100k isk are able to shrug of proto AV weaponry.

second, not everyone has skilled into forges and heavies. beside that, this weapon still needs a good position to fire on a slow frame. you still need atleast proto level to bother a tank. and the tank driver can still gtfo and you just wasted your time.

third, no one wants to wait half a minute, just to see the tank driver gtfo out at the speed of sound when the hardeners are down. waiting the whole game just for a minor chance to kill a tank when the driver did an error? no thanks. again piloting errors are not a factor for balance.

and last, tanks are the better AV, they are cheaper require no SP and rails can even hurt tanks when their hardeners are up. and the best part about tanks: tanks do not give up any killing power against infantry.

STD swarmer does 960 DMG (4x220) STD plasma deals less then a hundred damage more

check your math

also a swarmer does more against armor then any PLC does, weapon efficiancy matters :P

i killed that tank within a minuite of it being called in, diddnt go chasing it around i waited at the objective i was defending and it came to me.

then i dual fluxed and PLCed and BOOM, its not hard, it doesnt take effort and you dont even have to stop defending your base.

So much opinionated subjective bullshit in such tight proximity. I don't honestly know if the fabric of the universe can handle it.

No I would happily destroy vehicles 24/7 but why do that when militia tanks are better then my proto swarms with prof 4 and three damage mods and cost less.

a 6 man infantry squad all carrying AV granades with a single dedicated AV guy in the mix WILL mess up vehicles without sacraficing infantry power.


you dont HAVE to run tanks, its easer not to in all honesty.

all those threads crying about tanks written by people who both arnt organised, and arnt even willing to put AV nades on their fits just peeve me off.

tanks do it DIFFERENTLYT then infantry AV not really more effectivly, its just easyer for a solo player to use a tank then as solo infantry.


squad wise its alot easyer to have an AV infantry guy with your squad + AV nades on every member then it is to have that one squad mate in a tank.


your other squad mates cover your infantry AV guy (who should probably be very good with a sidearm, SMGs are amazing at this) and that AV guy leads the charge against any vehicle that apears.



i cant figure out why everyones complaining when they arnt even trying to deal with the problem using in game resources.

I have an AV fit that costs 5k. Militia Gallente light frame with a plasma cannon, AV grenades, REs, MLT kincat, and a scrambler pistol for infantry. Seriously, I killed about 8 tanks in a Dom using this fit. You run up behind them, shove 3 REs on the exhaust plate, hit their shield with grenades and plasma, then BOOM (REs finish them off). Use stealth ;)

Yeah this works well against bad tankers that do not pay any attention otherwise you are dead. If the tank brings 5 friends running with rifles you are in serious troubles.

So even the example the OP brings will fail if the Pilto is running with a squad on his own, so the six vs 1 theory fails. As in this scenario the HAV + 5 Infantry squad will obliberate any 5 AV nade + AV guy squad.

That currently HAV pilots do not even bother to run with a squad (or second HAV) clearly shows how much fear AV causes to them...

This tread is just biased for OP underpriced tanks

I can run a good AV fit ....

Minmatar Mk.o

Allotech Plasma Cannon

Lai Dai packed AV

Boundless RE/PE

Shield extenders in highs

Cardiac reg and CPU upgrade

If a tankers is a dumbass I can just about solo him, but the real problem is my suit costs 3x
more than most of the tanks out there......... So I have to take on a missile/blaster with a very high chance
of dying, and if I do it's a serious ISK sink

How the hell is an infantry fitting worth more than a tank?? even if I try to cheap out on things
It still costs 100k + .....

Tanks can kill proto suits so they should cost more ... and if that tank can kill a proto squad so it should cost
6 x 150k = 900k ... so I think If tankers want their OP vehicles they should be paying over that to set it up

Like this thread if you think HAV should cost 1,000,000 ISK minimum

Not to mention the crap payout you get for running AV. I double to triple the isk running logi over AV all match

Are you by any chance a tanker?? ... It really seems that way ...

And I described my suit not what I do with it, I was highlighting the cost of a good AV suit
compared to the cost of HAV

Are you by any chance a tanker?? ... It really seems that way ...

And I described my suit not what I do with it, I was highlighting the cost of a good AV suit
compared to the cost of HAV

He is. I confirmed that a few days ago when I saw him rolling around in a Gunnlogi.

He's also bull$#!tting you when he says that he uses AV to destroy tanks as well.

lol, thanks Atiim
So this is just a biased post, made by a tanker to promote UP AV

If thats how thing work in here, I propose a buff to Core Locus/RE/Plasma Cannon
and a buff to CR RoF ....
oh and minmatar suits need a base 1000 stamina with speed of 11.50

lol, you tell me I'm bad and you make a completely false thread because
We all know Tanks are OP and when CCP fix it every infantry in the game will be
looking to punish tankers ... I look forward to this

right ***** lets get this strait DONT you ever call me a liar you ******* piece of scum......you are nothing but the load that should have been swallowed you ******* moron how di you even manage to climb out of your ******* testtube you ******* freek .... right now thats out of the way ........vehicle sp was refunded because of a major overhaul of how the vehicle skill tree works as well as the removal of specific skills .....any skills that were left behind had different prerecs and functions or we would have Kept them or are you too stupid to understand that concept . im beginging to think you ether are an autistic piece of ******* rubber or just a lame troll.. now **** off .

lol your just bad

killing tanks with infantry AV is hilarious