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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:58:00 -
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Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further.
I can has ISK
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Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
230
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:00:00 -
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Geez, not this sh*t again...
Life is killing me.
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Rogue Saint
Science For Death
The Shadow Eclipse
424
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:02:00 -
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Jeez man, you're getting a AUR in return, what's your problem?
All this BS about legal action and ****, stop playing.
GôêGÆ+GÆ+GƦ
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
873
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:04:00 -
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lolz
"I am a mercenary, I do as I need. I'll shed Amarrian blood for the freedom of my Minmitar allies but only for a price."
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Saheiji
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:05:00 -
[5] - Quote
CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you.
This goes for any nerf, the upcoming BPO removal, and respec requests after skills or items being changed. Everyone accepted this before they started playing DUST 514.
So, before any further QQ, please read these again:
Terms of Use
EULA |
Ploo-Koon
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
364
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:05:00 -
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I called the SPCA and they said I could have a puppy. Give me a puppy CCP before things get too serious.
(GöÉGöî ).....[ a¦Å^Gûá ].....{ a¦Å\°/a¦Å }.....( : : )
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
2367
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:06:00 -
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1) Which of these Consumer Rights groups has taken the time to review CCP's EULA and/or Terms of Service?
2) What specific feedback has your legal counsel offered after reviewing CCP's EULA and/or Terms of Service?
3) Did you take the time to review CCP's Terms prior to playing Dust? If so, did you agree to said Terms?
4) Were you under duress or suffering impaired judgement when you acknowledged and accepted said Terms? |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
1236
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:07:00 -
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you know the whole and entire reason I find this funny, if you were serious you'd be doing this privately.
the fact that you are doing this on the forums means you just want to make a show of it.
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1899
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:07:00 -
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I guess he wants his US$2.40 refund per militia BPO. Sounds worth bringing in four different organizations and CCP legal. He may not be paying anything but I'm sure the thousands of dollars of effort plus any government time and expense is totally worth it.
Totally. Worth. It.
// Logistics / Scout / Dropship Pilot Trainee // https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1044
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:08:00 -
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Come on man, I thought people in CI were above this crap.
ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
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Cody Sietz
Unkn0wn Killers
Renegade Alliance
1515
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:09:00 -
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Settlement or...BLACKMAIL!?
DUN DUN DUUNNNNNNNNN! |
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
553
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:10:00 -
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the holy grail of BPO's
SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
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Zekain K
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
541
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:10:00 -
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These items weren't even purchased in the psn store, therefore you did not spend real money on it. You used aur, which you did use to realty cash to acquire, and then you spent that aur on the militia items in the INGAME store. You are also being refunded the aur that you spent on those items. You are not losing anything.
If this goes to court, you will lose for that reason.
I doubt you even use these items, and you're just making a big deal out of it just because you're bored.
******* idiot.
Also, the two of you are supposed to agree upon a middle ground, but all I see is you making a unwavering demand.
CALDARI MASTER RACE
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Preacher Death 2
Stoned Avengers
56
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:11:00 -
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Sound like they gave you a generic answer in hopes you would stop bothering them, so they can do important work.
Also HTFU newb/troll |
Ansiiis The Trustworthy
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
416
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:11:00 -
[15] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further.
Everyone knows not to deal with terrorists... |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1466
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:13:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further.
The most you will get out of this whole fiasco is being made a fool of in court when the legal stuff you clearly don't understand slaps you in the face. The fact you don't understand means you could have only fed false information by ignorance to the solicitors or lawyers you have spoken to.
Trust me save yourself the embarrassment and drop it.
Edit: you are also attempting blackmail, that is illegal so I'd delete the whole post if I was you.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
Fix PC lag please CCP.
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Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
802
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:14:00 -
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Rogue Saint wrote:Jeez man, you're getting a AUR in return, what's your problem?
All this BS about legal action and ****, stop playing.
aur is useless not like there are any bpos on the market and most vets have enough sp to where boosters mean nothing |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
369
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:14:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:1) Which of these Consumer Rights groups has taken the time to review CCP's EULA and/or Terms of Service?
2) What specific feedback has your legal counsel offered after reviewing CCP's EULA and/or Terms of Service?
3) Did you take the time to review CCP's Terms prior to playing Dust? If so, did you agree to said Terms?
4) Were you under duress or suffering impaired judgement when you acknowledged and accepted said Terms?
5) Apart from being butthurt, what specific damages are you claiming as result of alleged Breach of Contract?
If you go astray of a country's rights and regulations EULA means absolutely nothing. They're only enforceable as long as they stay within their own bounds. If a country should deem those bounds to be breached, the EULA is then Null and Void.
But only if such a conclusion is reached. EULA's do not make companies "Magically Immune" to customer abuse.
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Unless you are skimming
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Magpie Raven
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
292
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:20:00 -
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Wow and I thought us Americans were sue crazy |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
1215
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:23:00 -
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Oh silly crazy yel, (can I call you yel?) I can already hear CCP legal team zeroing in on you. Prepare your anus.
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A-P-P-Baby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
41
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:23:00 -
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CCP stated that they are stripping away vehicle stuffs to properly balance what's left. Then they will be slowly bringing back the stuffs. What if they bring back the modules that they are taking away the BPOs for in the future?
Honestly, they just came out with the "no removal of any BPO" statement then they announced they are taking them away. Now, I don't agree with OP's foolishness here but managing expectations is not CCP's strong point. They should have just left them in as place holders and told us that if and when those modules are reintroduced to the game, those who own them would be able to use them at that point. Problem solved. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
2369
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:25:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:1) Which of these Consumer Rights groups has taken the time to review CCP's EULA and/or Terms of Service?
2) What specific feedback has your legal counsel offered after reviewing CCP's EULA and/or Terms of Service?
3) Did you take the time to review CCP's Terms prior to playing Dust? If so, did you agree to said Terms?
4) Were you under duress or suffering impaired judgement when you acknowledged and accepted said Terms?
5) Apart from being butthurt, what specific damages are you claiming as result of alleged Breach of Contract? If you go astray of a country's rights and regulations EULA means absolutely nothing. They're only enforceable as long as they stay within their own bounds. If a country should deem those bounds to be breached, the EULA is then Null and Void. But only if such a conclusion is reached. EULA's do not make companies "Magically Immune" to customer abuse.
The fact that Party A operates in separate jurisdiction from Party B does not render Party A or B "Magically Immune" to their respective, contractual obligations and commitments.
Contracts offered and agreed upon in good faith have merit, jurisdictional consideration is secondary.
Believe or not, there are companies out there which conduct business across international boundaries!
Mind blowing, yes? But believe me, international trade is real and it happens every single day.
To further blow your mind, such trade more often than not involves contracts! Wowzer! |
Adun Red
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
58
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:27:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further.
You are recruiting all right. |
Dust Junky 4Life
Shitstorm Inc
179
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:28:00 -
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U pep r ignorant. I have the ORIGINAL purchase agreeement. I will settle for nothing less then a full cash refund. $120 Ill go to small claims court if I have to.
A Shitstorm is coming...........
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Rogue Saint
Science For Death
The Shadow Eclipse
427
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:31:00 -
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Dust Junky 4Life wrote:U pep r ignorant. I have the ORIGINAL purchase agreeement. I will settle for nothing less then a full cash refund. $120 Ill go to small claims court if I have to.
For four BPO's? Which will be useless in 1.7...
Some perspective here.
GôêGÆ+GÆ+GƦ
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CPL Bloodstone
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
188
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:33:00 -
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Id just want a Full respec + the aurum for said BPO's. When i purchased them with REAL CASH it was not presented to me that those items would change/nerfed/removed. That is my agreement. Remove BPO's give me aurum and 1 full respec.
Those are my terms that you can completely ignore. Im sticking to my guns that are out of ammo! |
pdiddy anfama
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
80
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:33:00 -
[27] - Quote
Just spam phone calls to Sony for a refund. It has worked for some people. I heard it takes somewhere around ten calls. I know one person that got $100 back for the dren pack |
Rogue Saint
Science For Death
The Shadow Eclipse
427
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:34:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Jeez man, you're getting a AUR in return, what's your problem?
All this BS about legal action and ****, stop playing. aur is useless not like there are any bpos on the market and most vets have enough sp to where boosters mean nothing
?? So u want the useless BPO's??
People are so short sighted, its like they don't realise new AUR items will be added in the future.
GôêGÆ+GÆ+GƦ
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
7903
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:35:00 -
[29] - Quote
You should sue McDonalds next time you go there if they don't fill your fries completely.
Sue them till they cry
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steadyhand amarr
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
1959
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:36:00 -
[30] - Quote
Oddly I got a similar response on false advertising grounds the debate to be had in this game is buying aru supporting the game and buying into promised development or not.
Either promoting pve when there is none is a clear breach what conplicate matters is dust is free to download
"my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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Iyllaria Dai
Legions of Infinite Dominion
25
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:36:00 -
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Since no one bought ANYTHING directly in game with cash, you bought Aurum, which then you used AT YOUR DISCRETION to buy whatever in game items, you can keep dreaming about ANY refund.
It kills me that you idiots think CCP is going to placate your whimsical demands. First off no one forced you to spend the money, nor did they promise anything in the process. You were given the exact amount of AUR you purchased and therefore they held up that agreement. How you spend it is not their concern.
Don't like a change in game.. quit. Otherwise STFU and go QQ elsewhere. |
Saheiji
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
3
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:40:00 -
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Dust Junky 4Life wrote:U pep r ignorant. I have the ORIGINAL purchase agreeement. I will settle for nothing less then a full cash refund. $120 Ill go to small claims court if I have to.
What $120? Sounds like an Elite Pack. They are not removing Elite Packs people purchased. This is what's happening. They are removing the following items:
4800 AUR Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint
4800 AUR Militia Shield Regenerator Blueprint
4800 AUR Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier
4800 AUR Militia Power Diagnostic System Blueprint
You have also technically signed a contract with CCP, that says:
CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you.
That's what they're doing, they are updating their software. And you get the AUR price back. So where is the problem? (also, where is the $120?) |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
1519
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:40:00 -
[33] - Quote
I agree OP should receive something in compensation.
it should take the form of a foot up his hipster hole
Greedy Bastards' Hate Lord
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IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University
Ivy League
431
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:48:00 -
[34] - Quote
Anyone else think this sounds like "I enjoy your game best when its broken!!! I demand you never fix a thing!"
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..GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGùñ......GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñ xxx xxx xxx
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1900
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:53:00 -
[35] - Quote
He's stopped responding but I doubt he understands yet. I'd just like to see the look on the faces of the people he's asking for help from when him tells them the actual value of the items.
Maybe I should fly to the UK to buy him a burger to compensate him for the loss. The flight there and back from the US is about how much it'll cost in services to make this refund happen through legal channels.
// Logistics / Scout / Dropship Pilot Trainee // https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
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Pvt Numnutz
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
281
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:54:00 -
[36] - Quote
You're cute, in the stupid kind of way  |
Krad Gunnerson
The Jita Martyr's Brigade
2
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:58:00 -
[37] - Quote
I am losing BPOs too! CCP better give me a Thale's TAR-07 Sniper Rifle BPO, or else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
Renegade Alliance
3850
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:04:00 -
[38] - Quote
You signed the fuckin' EULA dude, you AGREED to allow them the right to modify their own content whenever they please. You're fully permitted to cancel your acceptance of the EULA at any time under the condition you stop playing the game within 30 days.
Seriously, this is the definition of entitlement. You're taking legal action against someone who does this - not only because they love it - but because they have a family to feed; you're willing to put peoples' lives in jeopardy over a VIDEO GAME.
"How much is a life worth?" Apparently as little as a few hundred bucks dropped on Aurum BS.
Get real dude.
ANON Diplomat -//- I Support SP Rollover ^_^
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
7905
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:05:00 -
[39] - Quote
Iyllaria Dai wrote:Since no one bought ANYTHING directly in game with cash, you bought Aurum, which then you used AT YOUR DISCRETION to buy whatever in game items, you can keep dreaming about ANY refund.
It kills me that you idiots think CCP is going to placate your whimsical demands. First off no one forced you to spend the money, nor did they promise anything in the process. You were given the exact amount of AUR you purchased and therefore they held up that agreement. How you spend it is not their concern.
Don't like a change in game.. quit. Otherwise STFU and go QQ elsewhere.
Actually, that's not true.
Many of the various packs came with exclusive BPOs that only come from buying those packs, not the AUR. As far as I know, those BPOs are here to stay, but if they are ever removed then CCP will have an interesting situation on their hands.
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
1893
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:08:00 -
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You cant di anything about it. You accepted the EULA and that includes that CCP can change every aspect of their game. This includes BPO's aswell. You dont own BPO'S CCP owns them you simply "borrowed" it from them for AUR and thats it.
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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Asirius Medaius
684
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:09:00 -
[41] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further.
You are a terrible troll, and if you aren't a troll, then you are just an idiot.
Signature coming soonGäó.
[Level 9 Forum Warrior]
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
7905
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:09:00 -
[42] - Quote
The dark cloud wrote:You cant di anything about it. You accepted the EULA and that includes that CCP can change every aspect of their game. This includes BPO's aswell. You dont own BPO'S CCP owns them you simply "borrowed" it from them for AUR and thats it.
What about BPOs that came with packs like the Veteran and Elite packs?
Those were directly purchased for $$, not AUR.
As far as I know, those items are here to stay, but I'm just arguing the point for arguments sake.
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rpastry
Carbon 7
CRONOS.
68
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:17:00 -
[43] - Quote
I've spoken to the Queen and she's not happy with this situation AT ALL.
Expect a declaration of war with Iceland within the week.
CCP I hope your listening, your only chance of survival is to issue my avatar with a GOLD CROWN of RIGHTEOUS JUSTICE.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5242
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:28:00 -
[44] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further.
Can you post an exact copy of what it was you told them exactly? Verbatim please. No omissions. I want to understand the context of what you told those consumer rights groups.
Although I do admit that the Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit is a reasonable compensation. However, that is an item that requires actual effort to obtain through the recruitment process. Also, how can you be certain that a dropsuit item that cost no AUR be of equal value to a BPO that cost you AUR to obtain?
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
370
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:40:00 -
[45] - Quote
Shotty GoBang wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:1) Which of these Consumer Rights groups has taken the time to review CCP's EULA and/or Terms of Service?
2) What specific feedback has your legal counsel offered after reviewing CCP's EULA and/or Terms of Service?
3) Did you take the time to review CCP's Terms prior to playing Dust? If so, did you agree to said Terms?
4) Were you under duress or suffering impaired judgement when you acknowledged and accepted said Terms?
5) Apart from being butthurt, what specific damages are you claiming as result of alleged Breach of Contract? If you go astray of a country's rights and regulations EULA means absolutely nothing. They're only enforceable as long as they stay within their own bounds. If a country should deem those bounds to be breached, the EULA is then Null and Void. But only if such a conclusion is reached. EULA's do not make companies "Magically Immune" to customer abuse. 1) Define "go astray" and "customer abuse" as it relates to this claim. 2) Describe in detail what actions CCP has taken in violation of its own EULA. 3) Describe in detail the specific damages -- apart from butthurt -- that resulted from alleged violation.
The fact that Party A operates in separate jurisdiction from Party B does not render Party A or B "Magically Immune" to their respective, contractual obligations and commitments. Contracts offered and executed in good faith have merit; jurisdictional considerations and challenges are secondary.
1. I cannot do this, please refer to your own National and Local laws for application, asking me to do it for you is purely ludicrous.
2. You didn't read what I wrote, did you? You just outright assumed it was an attack statement.
3. See answer #2 and #1
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Unless you are skimming
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
Renegade Alliance
3850
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:42:00 -
[46] - Quote
Maken Tosch wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further. Can you post an exact copy of what it was you told them exactly? Verbatim please. No omissions. I want to understand the context of what you told those consumer rights groups. Although I do admit that the Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit is a reasonable compensation. However, that is an item that requires actual effort to obtain through the recruitment process. Also, how can you be certain that a dropsuit item that cost no AUR be of equal value to a BPO that cost you AUR to obtain?
Probably something along the lines of how he paid for something that they were providing and then they removed the item - not telling them that there was a rebalance in place and the impact BPO's have on the game's economy (or soon to be implemented economy). Misconstrued it so that it sounded like he was a victim.
ANON Diplomat -//- I Support SP Rollover ^_^
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
129
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:43:00 -
[47] - Quote
Although I do admit that the Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit is a reasonable compensation. However, that is an item that requires actual effort to obtain through the recruitment process. Also, how can you be certain that a dropsuit item that cost no AUR be of equal value to a BPO that cost you AUR to obtain?[/quote]
Regardless of whether or not the Master Recruiter C-II Dropsuit cost's no aurumn compared to the BPOs I am losing that did cost me aurumn, those are the terms that I am willing to settle on.
I can has ISK
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Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
803
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:55:00 -
[48] - Quote
Rogue Saint wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Jeez man, you're getting a AUR in return, what's your problem?
All this BS about legal action and ****, stop playing. aur is useless not like there are any bpos on the market and most vets have enough sp to where boosters mean nothing ?? So u want the useless BPO's?? People are so short sighted, its like they don't realise new AUR items will be added in the future. EDIT: I bet those QQ'ing about all this BS didn't even buy the stuff, their parents did, in which case you have nothing to say. Speak to your Mom.
no i want them to be replaced with bpo versions of the equivalent item in 1.7...not hard to do |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1800
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:58:00 -
[49] - Quote
All you want is a single dropsuit? |
Commander Tzu
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
28
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:59:00 -
[50] - Quote
I still don't understand what you are actually trying to take them to court about. Honestly I hope you spend money taking this to court and the judge laughs at you and throws the case out. If I were CCP I would let you keep your blueprints, then when 1.7 drops and you try fit them it just says something like "INVALID MODULE" in red and you are stuck there with a blueprint you can't use and no Aurum refunded. Also I read your first comment on the other post, you mention CCP as a third party and that you made an agreement with Sony for those BPOs. Which is interesting to me, because here's Sony's stance on third parties and access to content: "SCEA may provide you with the ability to buy access to a variety of content, including game-specific items, video content, comics and game and subscriptions. All content is provided by SCEA, including content created or published by third parties. Third parties may administer access to some content, including delivery, gameplay or customer service."
Emboldened the relevant parts.
EDIT: Had to go back and underline the parts as well, wasn't as bold as I'd hoped. Enjoy. |
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jin foxdale
Jedi Slime.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:02:00 -
[51] - Quote
OP is trolling us all. A dropsuit or legal proceedings? Please. +1 OP for making me read 3 pages of replies... |
Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
141
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:06:00 -
[52] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Regardless of whether or not the Master Recruiter C-II Dropsuit cost's no aurumn compared to the BPOs I am losing that did cost me aurumn, those are the terms that I am willing to settle on.
As multiple people have pointed out before: you purchased Aurum, either by buying an Aurum pack or one of the various other packs that included Aurum. You then purchased an in-game item with said Aurum: that item is being refunded and the thing you purchased with real money (aka Aurum) is now being refunded to you.
You have not lost anything, and in fact have gotten potentially substantial use out of something before you then get the opportunity to 'cash in' your Aurum-bought item to get additional gain from it in a different area. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1471
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:09:00 -
[53] - Quote
Iyllaria Dai wrote:Since no one bought ANYTHING directly in game with cash, you bought Aurum, which then you used AT YOUR DISCRETION to buy whatever in game items, you can keep dreaming about ANY refund.
It kills me that you idiots think CCP is going to placate your whimsical demands. First off no one forced you to spend the money, nor did they promise anything in the process. You were given the exact amount of AUR you purchased and therefore they held up that agreement. How you spend it is not their concern.
Don't like a change in game.. quit. Otherwise STFU and go QQ elsewhere.
Thread should have ended right here^
You knowingly and willfully bought aurum, case closed.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
Fix PC lag please CCP.
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
945
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:13:00 -
[54] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further.
CCP, DO WHAT HE SAYS OR HE'LL KILL THE KITTEN!!!!
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
SoonGäó514
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1049
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:16:00 -
[55] - Quote
I'm actually making a massive profit off of this. I bought all those BPOs when they were like 30 AUR each, now I'm getting 4800 AUR refund each on all of them? Woot! *secretly kicking self for not stocking up back then*
ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
922
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:18:00 -
[56] - Quote
let this thread die. |
jin foxdale
Jedi Slime.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:26:00 -
[57] - Quote
Pokey Dravon wrote:I'm actually making a massive profit off of this. I bought all those BPOs when they were like 30 AUR each, now I'm getting 4800 AUR refund each on all of them? Woot! *secretly kicking self for not stocking up back then*
I remember people thinking they were going to be AUR rich with refunds for multiple, super cheaply purchased BPOs at Uprisings release. They were all very disappointed and there were many, many threads like the ones we're seeing today.
@low genius - sorry! letting it die. |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
1527
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:28:00 -
[58] - Quote
OP is a pretty princess
Greedy Bastards' Hate Lord
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Sgt Buttscratch
R 0 N 1 N
1018
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:28:00 -
[59] - Quote
OP EVERYTHING ON DUST514 wether it be ISK or AUR items is and always will be the property of CCP, they hold ability to change, remove, add anything they want.
You can contact all these groups if you want, but EULA from both CCP and Sony will instantly destroy your case. get over it.
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
2245
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:32:00 -
[60] - Quote
HAHA this is just fking hilarious. Thanks for this wonderful show. |
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1000
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:34:00 -
[61] - Quote
You will probably be refunded with more aur than what you have paid those junky militia BPO.
You should live in Italy, we have more lawyers than citiziens, in case of people like you.
"Just another piece of duct tape"
Some love for gunners
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1472
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:36:00 -
[62] - Quote
low genius wrote:let this thread die.
Bump hahahaha 
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
Fix PC lag please CCP.
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Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
2245
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:37:00 -
[63] - Quote
Dust Junky 4Life wrote:U pep r ignorant. I have the ORIGINAL purchase agreeement. I will settle for nothing less then a full cash refund. $120 Ill go to small claims court if I have to.
Good luck fighting Sony  . You should give us updates too. |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
1530
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:46:00 -
[64] - Quote
TechMechMeds wrote:low genius wrote:let this thread die. Bump hahahaha
This is pure evil
Greedy Bastards' Hate Lord
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1512
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:59:00 -
[65] - Quote
lol
Closed Beta Vet
Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
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Dust Junky 4Life
Shitstorm Inc
180
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:09:00 -
[66] - Quote
Rogue Saint wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Jeez man, you're getting a AUR in return, what's your problem?
All this BS about legal action and ****, stop playing. aur is useless not like there are any bpos on the market and most vets have enough sp to where boosters mean nothing ?? So u want the useless BPO's?? People are so short sighted, its like they don't realise new AUR items will be added in the future. EDIT: I bet those QQ'ing about all this BS didn't even buy the stuff, their parents did, in which case you have nothing to say. Speak to your Mom.
Your as ignorant as the rest of em! It's not the money, it's the principal! I paid for PERMANENT items, I expect to have PERMANENT items.
How in the fk would my bpo's be worthless in 1.7? Are vehicle NOT going to have shields/PG? That's what they are taking.
A Shitstorm is coming...........
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Dust Junky 4Life
Shitstorm Inc
180
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:10:00 -
[67] - Quote
Kane Fyea wrote:Dust Junky 4Life wrote:U pep r ignorant. I have the ORIGINAL purchase agreeement. I will settle for nothing less then a full cash refund. $120 Ill go to small claims court if I have to. Good luck fighting Sony . You should give us updates too.
FK Sony to! I went right to the top! It's called a charge back! As soon as they are removed, REFUND!
A Shitstorm is coming...........
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NomaDz 2K
DUTY FR33
73
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:15:00 -
[68] - Quote
Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further. Everyone knows not to deal with terrorists...
America was also founded upon by terrorists... |
Zimander
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
Renegade Alliance
7
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:39:00 -
[69] - Quote
If CCP want take away all BPO and re-found it in AUR go for it.
The only BPO usable in game are LAV now when every 1 use Proto gear and all the basic BPO Drop suite Mod and Weapons are worthless.
Beside if u don't like that idea stop planing DUST and go pew pew CoD or B4 |
Dust Junky 4Life
Shitstorm Inc
183
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:59:00 -
[70] - Quote
Rogue Saint wrote:Jeez man, you're getting a AUR in return, what's your problem?
All this BS about legal action and ****, stop playing.
I don't know about the rest of you freeloaders, but I put a rather large amount of cash into Dust. It was the only game I was playing at the time and I "loved" it. I have NO USE FOR AUR! It's no different to me then isk. I can not just walk away empty handed. 30mill sp and my bpo's, all I ever needed. If I got my money back, Id find a new ps4 game to play.
Now I feel like I'm being stabbed in the back for supporting a game I liked.
A Shitstorm is coming...........
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5244
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:08:00 -
[71] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Regardless of whether or not the Master Recruiter C-II Dropsuit cost's no aurumn compared to the BPOs I am losing that did cost me aurumn, those are the terms that I am willing to settle on.
Then answer my first question. What exactly did you tell those consumer rights groups (verbatim)? I want to know the full context of what you told them. You seem brave enough to talk about your litigation effort in a forum dominated by trolls, so you should have no problem sharing that detail with us.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5244
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:09:00 -
[72] - Quote
Dust Junky 4Life wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Jeez man, you're getting a AUR in return, what's your problem?
All this BS about legal action and ****, stop playing. I don't know about the rest of you freeloaders, but I put a rather large amount of cash into Dust. It was the only game I was playing at the time and I "loved" it. I have NO USE FOR AUR! It's no different to me then isk. I can not just walk away empty handed. 30mill sp and my bpo's, all I ever needed. If I got my money back, Id find a new ps4 game to play. Now I feel like I'm being stabbed in the back for supporting a game I liked.
But you technically do have use for the aurum.
Aurum suits, weapons, modules and boosters.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:10:00 -
[73] - Quote
rpastry wrote:I've spoken to the Queen and she's not happy with this situation AT ALL.
Expect a declaration of war with Iceland within the week.
CCP I hope your listening, your only chance of survival is to issue my avatar with a GOLD CROWN of RIGHTEOUS JUSTICE.
Long Kill ... I mean  Live the Queen .
DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE ALREADY !!!!!!!!!!!!!
" BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
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SgtDoughnut
Red Star Jr.
EoN.
401
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:11:00 -
[74] - Quote
Got to love it when stupid people think they know the law. |
APOPHIS Xxx
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
22
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:30:00 -
[75] - Quote
You're the type of person that should never have kids.
Win or lose....I bring out the best in you!
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Vexen Arc
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
38
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:57:00 -
[76] - Quote
This whole saga has been terribly, terribly stupid.
OP, please just stop. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1813
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:13:00 -
[77] - Quote
I find it amusing to hear how every company on the planet is expected adhere to the rules of all countries simultaneously. I'll bet the EULA gives CCP the right to terminate your Dust account entirely with no recourse on your part.
That sounds like a good counter starting point to your "offer" doesn't it? |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
3107
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:14:00 -
[78] - Quote
This is hilarious. Not the OP... The people responding lol. Nice job OP. you got alot of but hurt comments lol
GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢
Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà
Forum Warrior LV. 3
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
741
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:24:00 -
[79] - Quote
It'd be better if we all pool our money and force a buyout of CCP. Oh yeah! I got the Atlanta office. F*ck World of Emo. I'm taking over this game baby! No more jumpin' ballerina fighting!
If you don't think sniping is the greatest thing everGǪ I will fight you. That's no lie.
-GÇö Ron Burgundy paraphrased
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
135
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:28:00 -
[80] - Quote
Dust Junky 4Life wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Jeez man, you're getting a AUR in return, what's your problem?
All this BS about legal action and ****, stop playing. I don't know about the rest of you freeloaders, but I put a rather large amount of cash into Dust. It was the only game I was playing at the time and I "loved" it. I have NO USE FOR AUR! It's no different to me then isk. I can not just walk away empty handed. 30mill sp and my bpo's, all I ever needed. If I got my money back, Id find a new ps4 game to play. Now I feel like I'm being stabbed in the back for supporting a game I liked.
I've put over -ú160 ($200) into DUST514 and CCP can't even give me their word for that much, let alone let me keep the BPOs that I have paid more than enough for.
I can has ISK
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1813
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:30:00 -
[81] - Quote
I don't know man... I've put money into Dust... if I can't stand it anymore I'll just walk away... not **** in the sandbox so everyone else can play in it. |
Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
136
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:40:00 -
[82] - Quote
Crash Monster wrote:I find it amusing to hear how every company on the planet is expected adhere to the rules of all countries simultaneously. I'll bet the EULA gives CCP the right to terminate your Dust account entirely with no recourse on your part.
That sounds like a good counter starting point to your "offer" doesn't it?
EDIT: Or, perhaps just introduce new BPOs and let yout keep the old ones which are then made incompatible.
I think that would serve as justification to publish a particularly venomous blog on CCP and the underhand tactics it uses to silence its customers, and further serve as evidence for a lawsuit against CCP for its mistreatment of customers, poor customer service, and willful neglect of consumer rights.
I can has ISK
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Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
252
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:00:00 -
[83] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Crash Monster wrote:I find it amusing to hear how every company on the planet is expected adhere to the rules of all countries simultaneously. I'll bet the EULA gives CCP the right to terminate your Dust account entirely with no recourse on your part.
That sounds like a good counter starting point to your "offer" doesn't it?
EDIT: Or, perhaps just introduce new BPOs and let yout keep the old ones which are then made incompatible. I think that would serve as justification to publish a particularly venomous blog on CCP and the underhand tactics it uses to silence its customers, and further serve as evidence for a lawsuit against CCP for its mistreatment of customers, poor customer service, and willful neglect of consumer rights.
Just...wow. You think you're the only person on a videogame forum that's threatened to take a company to court? Please tell me, how many of these cases ever even make it to trial, much less rule against the company?
Life is killing me.
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
136
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:41:00 -
[84] - Quote
Everything Dies wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Crash Monster wrote:I find it amusing to hear how every company on the planet is expected adhere to the rules of all countries simultaneously. I'll bet the EULA gives CCP the right to terminate your Dust account entirely with no recourse on your part.
That sounds like a good counter starting point to your "offer" doesn't it?
EDIT: Or, perhaps just introduce new BPOs and let yout keep the old ones which are then made incompatible. I think that would serve as justification to publish a particularly venomous blog on CCP and the underhand tactics it uses to silence its customers, and further serve as evidence for a lawsuit against CCP for its mistreatment of customers, poor customer service, and willful neglect of consumer rights. Just...wow. You think you're the only person on a videogame forum that's threatened to take a company to court? Please tell me, how many of these cases ever even make it to trial, much less rule against the company?
A quick search of EULA over rulings that you might be interested in.
http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=257947
A story of a Korean Player who sold virtual in-game items for real money via credit card transactions, the court ruled in his favour and said earnings in game items takes time, resources an skill, and as such can be sold through legitimate channels.
I can has ISK
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
494
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Posted - 2013.11.22 23:05:00 -
[85] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further.
Woah!
SAVE DUST 514; REMOVE SCRAMBLER PISTOLS AND MISSILE TANKS
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Nirwanda Vaughns
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
203
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Posted - 2013.11.22 23:18:00 -
[86] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further.
basically what they're politely saying is. you don't stand a f***in chance.
you'll get AUR back wether you like it or not and if CCP give in to you then they'll be flooded with similar requests for better refunds, when in their eyes refunding the aurum for the bpos is fine.
you could drag it out and pay thousands in legal fee's but for the sake of 4 militia bpos worth about $10 is it really worth it?
if they stated messing about with the other bpo's like merc/elite/vet suits ect then more players would be on their case and they'd face somehting liek the burn jita campaign but as it stands i'd call it a day. could be worse.... they could ban your account for some nonsense reason and then you'd lose everything |
Commander Tzu
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
29
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Posted - 2013.11.23 00:38:00 -
[87] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Everything Dies wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Crash Monster wrote:I find it amusing to hear how every company on the planet is expected adhere to the rules of all countries simultaneously. I'll bet the EULA gives CCP the right to terminate your Dust account entirely with no recourse on your part.
That sounds like a good counter starting point to your "offer" doesn't it?
EDIT: Or, perhaps just introduce new BPOs and let yout keep the old ones which are then made incompatible. I think that would serve as justification to publish a particularly venomous blog on CCP and the underhand tactics it uses to silence its customers, and further serve as evidence for a lawsuit against CCP for its mistreatment of customers, poor customer service, and willful neglect of consumer rights. Just...wow. You think you're the only person on a videogame forum that's threatened to take a company to court? Please tell me, how many of these cases ever even make it to trial, much less rule against the company? A quick search of EULA over rulings that you might be interested in. http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=257947A story of a Korean Player who sold virtual in-game items for real money via credit card transactions, the court ruled in his favour and said earnings in game items takes time, resources an skill, and as such can be sold through legitimate channels.
I would choose a different case as precedent, this involves South Korea's anti-gambling laws and the point of contention was that he was buying items, not that the game was being changed in such a way to make those items no longer useful. |
isolatebody
Immortal Retribution
2
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Posted - 2013.11.23 00:39:00 -
[88] - Quote
Great, so five years from now everyone will get a 20-ó check in the mail. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
1037
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Posted - 2013.11.23 00:46:00 -
[89] - Quote
I think CCP should be taken to court!
So the legal team can walk all over this guy, then get him to pay the costs!
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
345
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Posted - 2013.11.23 00:59:00 -
[90] - Quote
TechMechMeds wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further. The most you will get out of this whole fiasco is being made a fool of in court when the legal stuff you clearly don't understand slaps you in the face. The fact you don't understand means you could have only fed false information by ignorance to the solicitors or lawyers you have spoken to. Trust me save yourself the embarrassment and drop it. Edit: you are also attempting blackmail, that is illegal so I'd delete the whole post if I was you.
The fact that people think some magical EULA will save any argument in court is hilarious. Business is business.... The Whole DUST 514 launching on March 14th and all the players getting a full AURum reimbursements for every Aurum purchase made during beta had EXACTLY to do with Aurum and getting a class action law suit. |
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
140
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:09:00 -
[91] - Quote
Bethhy wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further. The most you will get out of this whole fiasco is being made a fool of in court when the legal stuff you clearly don't understand slaps you in the face. The fact you don't understand means you could have only fed false information by ignorance to the solicitors or lawyers you have spoken to. Trust me save yourself the embarrassment and drop it. Edit: you are also attempting blackmail, that is illegal so I'd delete the whole post if I was you. The fact that people think some magical EULA will save any argument in court is hilarious. Business is business.... The Whole DUST 514 launching on March 14th and all the players getting a full AURum reimbursements for every Aurum purchase made during beta had EXACTLY to do with Aurum and getting a class action law suit.
Even when they've benefited from other gamers standing up for their consumer rights, they still turn on their own and lick CCPs prostate like a golden gobstopper. This whole playerbase is a cancer.
I can has ISK
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5259
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:16:00 -
[92] - Quote
@Yelsha
Hey, OP. YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
I'm over here!!!!!
\o/
I'm still waiting to know what exactly you told those consumer rights groups. And I want it verbatim. That is my price, OP. I suggest you consider it before I go any further.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
274
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:18:00 -
[93] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further.
I know what your tryng to do. Other people don't ,but I do.
If this works, tell me.
"We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1056
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:18:00 -
[94] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:
Even when they've benefited from other gamers standing up for their consumer rights, they still turn on their own and lick CCPs prostate like a golden gobstopper. This whole playerbase is a cancer.
I guess I'm just not going to get all that bent out of shape over a few bucks in BPOs which I'm being refunded for in AUR, which I paid for and used to buy said BPOs. At the end of the day your net loss is 0. You have all of the AUR you paid for and thus have zero legal rights to jack ****, other than the AUR they're refunding you with.
Now cut this crap out and stop acting like an idiot, you're making the alliance look bad with this idiotic crap.
ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
8
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:30:00 -
[95] - Quote
Didnt we have to click the accept button of an agreement saying they could do this stuff without our consent? I mean most people dont read them. But they really should at least scan the sections XD |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2258
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:31:00 -
[96] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further.
It would be far more reasonable to ask for equivalent militia BPOs of those being taken from you.
No.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10522
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:34:00 -
[97] - Quote
http://itlaw.wikia.com/wiki/M.A._Mortenson_v._Timberline_Software
2 million usd loss here at the fault of the sueing company.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier Specialist
Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
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R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:39:00 -
[98] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further.
Sorry brother, but you don't want to go down this route. First - how much real life money did you really spend? Second, it's not like they're taking away your aurum - you're getting it back and that is in fact what you paid for. Aurum. Not blueprints - Aurum. Now that I think about it it is interesting that CCP never let one buy the BPOs with money directly. Also, it just kind of seems like you want the Master Recruiter Dropsuit. SMH. You'll have to try harder, be more organized and less transparent if you want to effect change |
Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
1822
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:55:00 -
[99] - Quote
why do we care?
Gǃwould watering a apple tree with apple juice be forced cannibalism?" - Draxus Prime
Closed beta vet
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Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
1822
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:57:00 -
[100] - Quote
earn the suit the legit way
Gǃwould watering a apple tree with apple juice be forced cannibalism?" - Draxus Prime
Closed beta vet
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SILENTSAM 69
SONS of LEGION
RISE of LEGION
607
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Posted - 2013.11.23 03:35:00 -
[101] - Quote
Man, thanks for the funny reading.
I almost hope this guy attempts legal action, and ends up having to pay a lawyer for nothing. The sad thing is I wouldn't be able to see the persons face after they are told they are wasting peoples time. |
SILENTSAM 69
SONS of LEGION
RISE of LEGION
607
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Posted - 2013.11.23 03:39:00 -
[102] - Quote
I only just now saw that this went on for many pages and that the person is actually defending their idea, as if they have any idea of what they are talking about.
Please continue to defend this silly notion that you have any legal grounds whatsoever here. You obviously do not understand that you accepted a contract giving CCP the right to do all this.
Not to mention the fact that you are whining over something that amounts to almost nothing. You are crying like a spoiled child, and think you are going to take legal action? lol |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
147
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Posted - 2013.11.23 03:50:00 -
[103] - Quote
I kinda hope they lock ypu out of your dust characters
Christ is lord
Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now.
Free tacos
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
207
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Posted - 2013.11.23 03:57:00 -
[104] - Quote
THIS is damn hilarious.
his whole case rests on weather or not he can prove CCP + Sony EULA is unjust and unenforcable within the country of sale.
and yet he never actually even attempts to do so, and hasnt read either EULA, or his own local laws yet.
sure he knows that in rare cases EULAs have in the past been deemed unenforcable, but doesnt understand that that doesnt automatically mean all EULAs are unenforcable. |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
147
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:04:00 -
[105] - Quote
Dust Junky 4Life wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Jeez man, you're getting a AUR in return, what's your problem?
All this BS about legal action and ****, stop playing. aur is useless not like there are any bpos on the market and most vets have enough sp to where boosters mean nothing ?? So u want the useless BPO's?? People are so short sighted, its like they don't realise new AUR items will be added in the future. EDIT: I bet those QQ'ing about all this BS didn't even buy the stuff, their parents did, in which case you have nothing to say. Speak to your Mom. Your as ignorant as the rest of em! It's not the money, it's the principal! I paid for PERMANENT items, I expect to have PERMANENT items. How in the fk would my bpo's be worthless in 1.7? Are vehicle NOT going to have shields/PG? That's what they are taking.
You paid for items that you agreed might be changed or taken without consent
Christ is lord
Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now.
Free tacos
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
207
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:26:00 -
[106] - Quote
deepfried salad gilliam wrote:Dust Junky 4Life wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Jeez man, you're getting a AUR in return, what's your problem?
All this BS about legal action and ****, stop playing. aur is useless not like there are any bpos on the market and most vets have enough sp to where boosters mean nothing ?? So u want the useless BPO's?? People are so short sighted, its like they don't realise new AUR items will be added in the future. EDIT: I bet those QQ'ing about all this BS didn't even buy the stuff, their parents did, in which case you have nothing to say. Speak to your Mom. Your as ignorant as the rest of em! It's not the money, it's the principal! I paid for PERMANENT items, I expect to have PERMANENT items. How in the fk would my bpo's be worthless in 1.7? Are vehicle NOT going to have shields/PG? That's what they are taking. You paid for items that you agreed might be changed or taken without consent
LOL even better is
be bought a permanant (will not be consumed by losing it in battle) item and recieved exactly what he purchased.
and he doesnt seem to understand that said modules will no longer exsist in ISK form either....
he lacks the reading comprehension to even read the posts from CCP involving the removal of said modules.
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
1059
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:39:00 -
[107] - Quote
LOL I FIND IT FUNNY IF U ACTUALLY DO THIS
1. CCP IS A COMPANY
2. UR JUST ONE PERSON
3. UR JUST GONNA END UP LOSING THOUSANDS
4. AND A BANN
5. U LOSE LOL
My PS3 is dusty ._.
Level 1 Forum Warrior
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Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
922
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:48:00 -
[108] - Quote
Kane Fyea wrote:Dust Junky 4Life wrote:U pep r ignorant. I have the ORIGINAL purchase agreeement. I will settle for nothing less then a full cash refund. $120 Ill go to small claims court if I have to. Good luck fighting Sony . You should give us updates too.
Sony isn't so bad, but would you wanna be in a court room with foxfours sarcasm?
If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
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Himiko Kuronaga
The Generals
EoN.
2347
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:57:00 -
[109] - Quote
You do realize that it is perfectly within their rights to grant you what you want, and then ban you immediately afterwards for simply wasting their time, right? |
General John Ripper
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
5595
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Posted - 2013.11.23 05:03:00 -
[110] - Quote
This thread is full of lolz
This is my signature.
I like beer.
I like tacos.
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Iyllaria Dai
Legions of Infinite Dominion
28
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Posted - 2013.11.23 05:13:00 -
[111] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:Iyllaria Dai wrote:Since no one bought ANYTHING directly in game with cash, you bought Aurum, which then you used AT YOUR DISCRETION to buy whatever in game items, you can keep dreaming about ANY refund.
It kills me that you idiots think CCP is going to placate your whimsical demands. First off no one forced you to spend the money, nor did they promise anything in the process. You were given the exact amount of AUR you purchased and therefore they held up that agreement. How you spend it is not their concern.
Don't like a change in game.. quit. Otherwise STFU and go QQ elsewhere. Actually, that's not true. Many of the various packs came with exclusive BPOs that only come from buying those packs, not the AUR. As far as I know, those BPOs are here to stay, but if they are ever removed then CCP will have an interesting situation on their hands.
If you bothered to read the EULA nothing is set in stone. True in ANY game.
CCP has nothing to concern with, other than a bunch of self entitled cry babies wasting their time. Which is an easy fix by banning their IP address from the server side. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
657
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Posted - 2013.11.23 05:13:00 -
[112] - Quote
EULA teaches you a lot about telling right from wrong, don't it? Could it be that EULA is an excerpt from the Bible?
Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
657
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Posted - 2013.11.23 05:16:00 -
[113] - Quote
Himiko Kuronaga wrote:You do realize that it is perfectly within their rights to grant you what you want, and then ban you immediately afterwards for simply wasting their time, right?
That would be like losing Paradise, won't it? I guess it's good to be CCP you can do whatever whenever. What's even better is that there is an army of ppl, some of whom are even Generals, to back it up whenever that said whatever happens.
Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
983
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Posted - 2013.11.23 05:18:00 -
[114] - Quote
If I was CCP I would refund the money and ban the the complaintive. Now if CCP took my BPO's I paid for, I would delete my game and never look back. I cant ask for anything more. I chose to spend my money and if they change there minds and they have I have two options. Accept the changes and keep playing or quit. This is like getting mad for I payed $60 for a game and only got $10 for trade in value. I knew the consequences and I took the risk there is no one to blame but me.
Do not eat the yellow snow
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
209
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Posted - 2013.11.23 05:22:00 -
[115] - Quote
Ludvig Enraga wrote:EULA teaches you a lot about telling right from wrong, don't it? Could it be that EULA is an excerpt from the Bible?
i hate to break it to you but the laws of countrys dont follow the rule of right and wrong either :P |
Iyllaria Dai
Legions of Infinite Dominion
28
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Posted - 2013.11.23 05:26:00 -
[116] - Quote
Dust Junky 4Life wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Jeez man, you're getting a AUR in return, what's your problem?
All this BS about legal action and ****, stop playing. aur is useless not like there are any bpos on the market and most vets have enough sp to where boosters mean nothing ?? So u want the useless BPO's?? People are so short sighted, its like they don't realise new AUR items will be added in the future. EDIT: I bet those QQ'ing about all this BS didn't even buy the stuff, their parents did, in which case you have nothing to say. Speak to your Mom. Your as ignorant as the rest of em! It's not the money, it's the principal! I paid for PERMANENT items, I expect to have PERMANENT items. How in the fk would my bpo's be worthless in 1.7? Are vehicle NOT going to have shields/PG? That's what they are taking.
No you PAID for an item that does not consume on use. Hence the term permanent. NOT that it would never be changed. Perhaps if you bothered yourself to read the ToS and EULA on a game you would see you have NO RECOURSE!
They have the right to change things as they go, hell what about payment for my time I put into my character only to have them change it. I should sue them too. Hell if we all tried to sue them over the stuff they changed since Closed Beta we would all be too busy to play the damn game.
Grow up, Get over it, Move on. Your getting in game Aur refunded for your BPO's. What more do you want. |
xLuca Brasi
DUST University
Ivy League
65
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:38:00 -
[117] - Quote
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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xLuca Brasi
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:28:00 -
[118] - Quote
we haven't had this thread on page 1 for awhile
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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skippy678
F.T.U.
135
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:33:00 -
[119] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further.
ya...because Sony and CCP didnt check with their lawyers already....unlike your ..advise..and I am sure that their diligence is more than 4 emails...newb
you get a +1
as in +1 T-bag for your face when i see you.
U.play.good?
F.T.U. Recruiting Thread
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skippy678
F.T.U.
135
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:35:00 -
[120] - Quote
skippy678 wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further. ya...because Sony and CCP didnt check with their lawyers already....unlike your ..advise..and I am sure that their diligence is more than 4 emails...newb you get a +1 as in +1 T-bag for your face when i see you.
The people that post BPO threads will now be put on the same list as people who steal dropships as far as im concerned.
U.play.good?
F.T.U. Recruiting Thread
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theR3Dknight
the.R3D.kings
1
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:39:00 -
[121] - Quote
skippy678 wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further. ya...because Sony and CCP didnt check with their lawyers already....unlike your ..advise..and I am sure that their diligence is more than 4 emails...newb you get a +1 as in +1 T-bag for your face when i see you.
Lucas posts are the most annoying I wanna T-bag him...
the.R3D.kings is looking for Directors
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xLuca Brasi
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:43:00 -
[122] - Quote
theR3Dknight wrote:skippy678 wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further. ya...because Sony and CCP didnt check with their lawyers already....unlike your ..advise..and I am sure that their diligence is more than 4 emails...newb you get a +1 as in +1 T-bag for your face when i see you. Lucas posts are the most annoying I wanna T-bag him...
I bet I can still post even while t bagged lets try it!
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5279
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:46:00 -
[123] - Quote
xLuca Brasi wrote:I bet I can still post even while t bagged lets try it!
/maken pulls down his own pants and let's his ******* hang
BRING IT ON!!!!!
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5279
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:47:00 -
[124] - Quote
Hey Yelsha, I'm still waiting for my answer.
WHAT DID YOU TELL THEM???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5279
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:48:00 -
[125] - Quote
Well?
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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skippy678
F.T.U.
138
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:51:00 -
[126] - Quote
xLuca Brasi wrote:theR3Dknight wrote:skippy678 wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further. ya...because Sony and CCP didnt check with their lawyers already....unlike your ..advise..and I am sure that their diligence is more than 4 emails...newb you get a +1 as in +1 T-bag for your face when i see you. Lucas posts are the most annoying I wanna T-bag him... I bet I can still post even while t bagged lets try it!
Touche...you just posted while being tea bagged...Although I believe if somene was doing it properly then you would have trouble typing
U.play.good?
F.T.U. Recruiting Thread
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theR3Dknight
the.R3D.kings
1
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:56:00 -
[127] - Quote
xLuca Brasi wrote:theR3Dknight wrote:skippy678 wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further. ya...because Sony and CCP didnt check with their lawyers already....unlike your ..advise..and I am sure that their diligence is more than 4 emails...newb you get a +1 as in +1 T-bag for your face when i see you. Lucas posts are the most annoying I wanna T-bag him... I bet I can still post even while t bagged lets try it!
How many million ISK do i have to pay you to not post anymore about BPOs seriouslly...i will..
but never again...im thinking 10 million..half now ..half later(meaning all the way to february when they take the rest of your BPOs...deal..let me know
the.R3D.kings is looking for Directors
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jenza aranda
BetaMax.
2243
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:59:00 -
[128] - Quote
lol, this thread is better than the old Noc thread with him bitching about Aurum refunding XD
Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
149
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:14:00 -
[129] - Quote
theR3Dknight wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:theR3Dknight wrote:skippy678 wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further. ya...because Sony and CCP didnt check with their lawyers already....unlike your ..advise..and I am sure that their diligence is more than 4 emails...newb you get a +1 as in +1 T-bag for your face when i see you. Lucas posts are the most annoying I wanna T-bag him... I bet I can still post even while t bagged lets try it! How many million ISK do i have to pay you to not post anymore about BPOs seriouslly...i will.. but never again...im thinking 10 million..half now ..half later(meaning all the way to february when they take the rest of your BPOs...deal..let me know
I've got 110 million ISK that I've made using my 62 BPOs and full dropsuit fittings that cost 0 ISK. I'll pay him 1 million every day just to make a new thread about BPOs just to PI SS you off.
I can has ISK
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Mikey Ducati
Xer Cloud Consortium
59
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:18:00 -
[130] - Quote
Your pockets are not that deep. Also, the EULA protects them greatly. Go to court if you want to, you agree to the EULA each time you play. That, bacon bits, will solidified your early grave in the court room. Don't waste your time and money |
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
150
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:21:00 -
[131] - Quote
Mikey Ducati wrote:Your pockets are not that deep. Also, the EULA protects them greatly. Go to court if you want to, you agree to the EULA each time you play. That, bacon bits, will solidified your early grave in the court room. Don't waste your time and money
Small claims court and UK/EU consumer representation means I don't have to pay a thing, even if the claim is unsuccessful. At the very least CCPs underhand tactics and deceitful business practices are brought to the attention of the authorities.
I can has ISK
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Mikey Ducati
Xer Cloud Consortium
59
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:28:00 -
[132] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:Your pockets are not that deep. Also, the EULA protects them greatly. Go to court if you want to, you agree to the EULA each time you play. That, bacon bits, will solidified your early grave in the court room. Don't waste your time and money Small claims court and UK/EU consumer representation means I don't have to pay a thing, even if the claim is unsuccessful. At the very least CCPs underhand tactics and deceitful business practices are brought to the attention of the authorities.
"Can change at anytime"
That's in the EULA. I know it is. There's no way you can compete against that. Once they bring that up in the courtroom, your case is a toasted marshmellow.
You might be upset but threats mean nothing. That's what you're doing, throwing out threats.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5290
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Posted - 2013.11.25 02:02:00 -
[133] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:Your pockets are not that deep. Also, the EULA protects them greatly. Go to court if you want to, you agree to the EULA each time you play. That, bacon bits, will solidified your early grave in the court room. Don't waste your time and money Small claims court and UK/EU consumer representation means I don't have to pay a thing, even if the claim is unsuccessful. At the very least CCPs underhand tactics and deceitful business practices are brought to the attention of the authorities.
But how much of your people's tax dollars are being spent there since you're not paying anything?
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5290
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Posted - 2013.11.25 02:07:00 -
[134] - Quote
You know, at least xLuca was kind enough to answer my simple questions.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5290
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Posted - 2013.11.25 02:08:00 -
[135] - Quote
I'm going to keep pestering you until you answer my questions. I was this buggy when I pestered CCP about the failed nova knife fix when 1.6 launched. I ain't treating you any different when I see that my questions are going unanswered.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5290
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Posted - 2013.11.25 02:13:00 -
[136] - Quote
I'm also waiting for you to answer my previous question.What exactly (verbatim) did you say to those consumer rights group about what's going on here? If you want me to properly judge this case of yours without being ignorant, I will need all the information including the context in which you told them.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
1020
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Posted - 2013.11.25 02:28:00 -
[137] - Quote
You obtained Aurum. You used the Aurum to purchase something else. The item you bought, with Aurum, is being removed, so the Aurum is being refunded. You have no claim to the money you originally spent, because you bought Aurum with it and the Aurum still exists.
Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn.
Panda.
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Cody Sietz
Unkn0wn Killers
Renegade Alliance
1557
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Posted - 2013.11.25 02:33:00 -
[138] - Quote
Borne Velvalor wrote:You obtained Aurum. You used the Aurum to purchase something else. The item you bought, with Aurum, is being removed, so the Aurum is being refunded. You have no claim to the money you originally spent, because you bought Aurum with it and the Aurum still exists.
I'm making money on this thing ;)
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Kaios Family
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
48
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Posted - 2013.11.25 03:13:00 -
[139] - Quote
wow this is dumb.. even IF you fought the uela in court ....... once you had knowledge of the bpo removal and then decided that the uela was abusive or you disagreed with in any way, after that point if you log into dust guess what ....... you just re-accepted the uela and re affirmed you're acknowledgment and agree to it therefor negating ANY suit you MIGHT have had end of story CCP is just laughing at you as well as the dust community |
dustwaffle
Xer Cloud Consortium
684
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Posted - 2013.11.25 04:45:00 -
[140] - Quote
Pics or it didn't happen.
Also, please go to the newspapers with this! They need to know about CCP's injustice!!
(Anyone back in the UK please post picture newspaper clipping if this goes on the Mail, or probably News of the World worthy... I will send you ISK) |
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Iyllaria Dai
Legions of Infinite Dominion
45
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Posted - 2013.11.26 05:04:00 -
[141] - Quote
Dust Junky 4Life wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Dust Junky 4Life wrote:U pep r ignorant. I have the ORIGINAL purchase agreeement. I will settle for nothing less then a full cash refund. $120 Ill go to small claims court if I have to. Good luck fighting Sony . You should give us updates too. FK Sony to! I went right to the top! It's called a charge back! As soon as they are removed, REFUND!
I would love to see this happen. See what you fail to realize is when you dispute a charge on your CC, they send a letter to the company to provide proof you did the transaction and that they delivered what you requested, when they do so your charge back will be refused.
Have fun... |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5383
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Posted - 2013.11.29 04:15:00 -
[142] - Quote
Hey, Yelsha.
/pokes Yelsha with a nova knife
I'm still waiting for you to answer my question. You scared to tell the truth? You had no problem posting your intentions to go to court over this on a public forum full of trolls. What's a little truth to what you told those consumer rights group going to do to you? Let me guess, you're lawyer told you not to say anything?
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5383
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Posted - 2013.11.29 04:16:00 -
[143] - Quote
Iyllaria Dai wrote:Dust Junky 4Life wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Dust Junky 4Life wrote:U pep r ignorant. I have the ORIGINAL purchase agreeement. I will settle for nothing less then a full cash refund. $120 Ill go to small claims court if I have to. Good luck fighting Sony . You should give us updates too. FK Sony to! I went right to the top! It's called a charge back! As soon as they are removed, REFUND! I would love to see this happen. See what you fail to realize is when you dispute a charge on your CC, they send a letter to the company to provide proof you did the transaction and that they delivered what you requested, when they do so your charge back will be refused. Have fun...
I love it how so many people threaten a charge back not knowing how charge backs work. lol
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Admonishment
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
28
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Posted - 2013.11.29 04:35:00 -
[144] - Quote
I hope this is a joke lol because I am pretty sure they are backed up by a plethora of lawyers with the ability to rip apart anything said, written, or acknowledged within seconds. Not something to trifle with and it will cost A LOT of money in the end.
You have been scanned. You have been scanned. You have been scanned. You have been scanned. You have been scanned...
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5383
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Posted - 2013.11.29 05:32:00 -
[145] - Quote
Admonishment wrote:I hope this is a joke lol because I am pretty sure they are backed up by a plethora of lawyers with the ability to rip apart anything said, written, or acknowledged within seconds. Not something to trifle with and it will cost A LOT of money in the end.
Technically it costs him next to nothing since he's using the UK civil court system. But I feel sorry for the British taxpayers who have to cover for it.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
170
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Posted - 2013.11.30 02:36:00 -
[146] - Quote
Maken Tosch wrote:Admonishment wrote:I hope this is a joke lol because I am pretty sure they are backed up by a plethora of lawyers with the ability to rip apart anything said, written, or acknowledged within seconds. Not something to trifle with and it will cost A LOT of money in the end. Technically it costs him next to nothing since he's using the UK civil court system. But I feel sorry for the British taxpayers who have to cover for it.
WE British tax payers pay -ú53 million a DAY to some undemocraticly elected council in Brussels simply for the privilege of being UNABLE to govern our own country, close our borders, deport foreign criminals and terrorists, and house illegal immigrants. Don't tell me what we British taxpayers are wasting our money on.
I can has ISK
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Minako Nakajima
Vortex State Empire
Dark Taboo
47
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Posted - 2013.11.30 07:04:00 -
[147] - Quote
firstworldproblems 514 : The Game
"Looks can kill." // Terminally Insane
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1275
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:16:00 -
[148] - Quote
Reav Hannari wrote:I guess he wants his US$2.40 refund per militia BPO. Sounds worth bringing in four different organizations and CCP legal. He may not be paying anything but I'm sure the thousands of dollars of effort plus any government time and expense is totally worth it.
Totally. Worth. It.
Just the amount of time he spent doing all this stuff is worth more than the loss. I can beg for change and make a merc pack in a day.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5404
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Posted - 2013.11.30 13:08:00 -
[149] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Admonishment wrote:I hope this is a joke lol because I am pretty sure they are backed up by a plethora of lawyers with the ability to rip apart anything said, written, or acknowledged within seconds. Not something to trifle with and it will cost A LOT of money in the end. Technically it costs him next to nothing since he's using the UK civil court system. But I feel sorry for the British taxpayers who have to cover for it. WE British tax payers pay -ú53 million a DAY to some undemocraticly elected council in Brussels simply for the privilege of being UNABLE to govern our own country, close our borders, deport foreign criminals and terrorists, and house illegal immigrants. Don't tell me what we British taxpayers are wasting our money on.
So you want to add to the problem of wasteful spending of your county's resources by going through with this stupid civil case?
Also, don't think your government is the only one wastefully spending. We Americans pay our senators and representatives **** loads of money in healthcare coverage, lifetime pensions, and six figure salaries just for serving two years in Congress while people like me have to work all our lives working on minimum wage and be given only one week vacation a year and we have to pay our own healthcare.
And finally, when are you going to answer my question? You seem to have plenty of time to react to my post about british tax payers but don't seem bothered to answer the question.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
931
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Posted - 2013.11.30 13:17:00 -
[150] - Quote
The Robot Devil wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:I guess he wants his US$2.40 refund per militia BPO. Sounds worth bringing in four different organizations and CCP legal. He may not be paying anything but I'm sure the thousands of dollars of effort plus any government time and expense is totally worth it.
Totally. Worth. It. Just the amount of time he spent doing all this stuff is worth more than the loss. I can beg for change and make a merc pack in a day.
You do not know his socio-economic status...
He might very well be causing positive economic value to society by engaging in such activities, as opposed to living off government largess. |
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Ensar Cael
Dead Man's Game
30
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Posted - 2013.11.30 13:37:00 -
[151] - Quote
This is totally f*cking stupid. Its a free game and you are whinging because they are taking away your advantages? Stop being a scrub, HTFU and learn to rely on your skills not unlimited gear.
Do us all a favour and take this bullsh*t out of here and into your ridiculous QQ world fantasy. There is a large percentage of the world population who have no luxuries in anyway shape or form.
CCP have made an F2P game here. You took on the T&C's when you signed up to play. One of them was that CCP have the right to change game content of any kind in any way they choose to without warning. They choose to warn you and you should be thankful for that you total waste of DNA. My eyes are f*cking bleeding seeing this pointless pile of pixels in the forums.
For the sake of us, go take a f*cking hike. Rather than pour all this effort into something so utterly ********, why not make the effort to help out those more needy int he world? The Philippine's need help, as does any third world country. Hell, they are those less fortunate in the first world too, that you could be helping.
NOW TAKE YOUR USELESS EXISTENCE AND DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL WITH! THAT OR F*CKING HANG YOURSELF.
What a pr*ck. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5437
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Posted - 2013.12.01 03:45:00 -
[152] - Quote
Ensar Cael wrote:NOW TAKE YOUR USELESS EXISTENCE AND DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL WITH! THAT OR F*CKING HANG YOURSELF.
What a pr*ck.
I know the OP may be annoying at times, but I'm not sure if that even warrants this last bit here.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
106
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Posted - 2013.12.01 03:52:00 -
[153] - Quote
So, how did this go through for you? I want to know |
Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
172
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Posted - 2013.12.02 01:32:00 -
[154] - Quote
Ensar Cael wrote:This is totally f*cking stupid. Its a free game and you are whinging because they are taking away your advantages? Stop being a scrub, HTFU and learn to rely on your skills not unlimited gear.
Do us all a favour and take this bullsh*t out of here and into your ridiculous QQ world fantasy. There is a large percentage of the world population who have no luxuries in anyway shape or form.
CCP have made an F2P game here. You took on the T&C's when you signed up to play. One of them was that CCP have the right to change game content of any kind in any way they choose to without warning. They choose to warn you and you should be thankful for that you total waste of DNA. My eyes are f*cking bleeding seeing this pointless pile of pixels in the forums.
For the sake of us, go take a f*cking hike. Rather than pour all this effort into something so utterly ********, why not make the effort to help out those more needy int he world? The Philippine's need help, as does any third world country. Hell, they are those less fortunate in the first world too, that you could be helping.
NOW TAKE YOUR USELESS EXISTENCE AND DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL WITH! THAT OR F*CKING HANG YOURSELF.
What a pr*ck.
I'd like to stomp on your throat, repeatedly, with cleates, till your bleeding from your eyes.
I can has ISK
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5476
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Posted - 2013.12.02 02:19:00 -
[155] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Ensar Cael wrote:This is totally f*cking stupid. Its a free game and you are whinging because they are taking away your advantages? Stop being a scrub, HTFU and learn to rely on your skills not unlimited gear.
Do us all a favour and take this bullsh*t out of here and into your ridiculous QQ world fantasy. There is a large percentage of the world population who have no luxuries in anyway shape or form.
CCP have made an F2P game here. You took on the T&C's when you signed up to play. One of them was that CCP have the right to change game content of any kind in any way they choose to without warning. They choose to warn you and you should be thankful for that you total waste of DNA. My eyes are f*cking bleeding seeing this pointless pile of pixels in the forums.
For the sake of us, go take a f*cking hike. Rather than pour all this effort into something so utterly ********, why not make the effort to help out those more needy int he world? The Philippine's need help, as does any third world country. Hell, they are those less fortunate in the first world too, that you could be helping.
NOW TAKE YOUR USELESS EXISTENCE AND DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL WITH! THAT OR F*CKING HANG YOURSELF.
What a pr*ck. I'd like to stomp on your throat, repeatedly, with cleates, till your bleeding from your eyes.
Careful. He might file a police report against you for threatening his life.
Also, about my question... I am still waiting for you to answer it.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Blind Nojoy
G I A N T
General Tso's Alliance
62
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Posted - 2013.12.02 02:55:00 -
[156] - Quote
Yeah CCP. Give everyone that BPO as payment.
Then nerf the f*ck out it. Problem solved. |
Vyuru
Bojo's School of the Trades
25
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Posted - 2013.12.02 03:52:00 -
[157] - Quote
Quote:Since no one bought ANYTHING directly in game with cash, you bought Aurum, which then you used AT YOUR DISCRETION to buy whatever in game items, you can keep dreaming about ANY refund.
See, this I more or less can get behind. Now granted, I do expect a AUR refund, which we are getting, if they remove any BPOs that were bought with AUR.
What I am somewhat concerned about is what if CCP decides to take out the BPOs that came with the Mercenary/Elite/Veteran packs? These do not have an AUR value, I bought 2 different Merc packs and the Veteran packs specifically for those BPOs. Any other items/AUR/whatever was just extra gravy, and I enjoy the game and I wanted to help support the game. It was a win win IMO.
I've seen countless suggestions that CCP make BPOs more EVE like, and tie it in with PVE, some of these suggestions are really quite good and I'd be down with that. But what if CCP decides to give me AUR for my dragonfly suits/other BPOs? I wouldn't really be happy with that unless there were BPOs back on the market.
Heck, they even went and promoted the BPOs, saying that they were going to be removed from the market, so buy 'em while they were still there, then they hit us with they are removing some of them. That more than anything else came as a low blow. You cannot expect me to believe that CCP wasn't planning to remove the vehicle BPOs by that time. If they had said, "Buy BPOs, but not these 'cause they're going to be removed from the game" I'd be good with that, but they didn't.
Again, I will say I'm more or less ok with how CCP is handling this, though I don't exactly like it. My main concern is what about BPOs that were NOT bought with AUR.
Because I'll be rather frank, unless it was a cool vanity item to chill out in the MCC with, I most likely wouldn't buy any of the packs.
And then how are they going to reimburse me? AUR? Right now there are now AUR items on the marketplace that I'd buy. Boosters wouldn't be bad exactly, but I play scout, and I have 16+mil SP right now, most of which is invested in my core skills. I only need another ~800,000 or less to finish out the core skills that I need/want and then I move onto weaponry which I have hardly touched in comparison. It won't take me long to finalize my play styles and what weaponry I want to specialize in once I start playing with the different weapons more. Which is a very long winded way of saying that while I could spend the AUR on boosters, I'm not terribly interested in boosters right now. I'm infantry, vehicle skills aren't going to get touched for awhile yet.
Anyways, that is my main problem, or main cause of concern, with this whole BPO refund. |
Kaylee Veloc
ShootBreakStab
39
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Posted - 2013.12.02 04:29:00 -
[158] - Quote
This thread is mostly pretty funny, read a few of the posts and wanted to add another scenario purely for curiosity's sake;
I purchased an official sony headset which was advertised and came with a PSN voucher for Dust DLC that when redeemed gave me a BPO, what would I be reimbursed with should it be removed? Does it have an Aurum value? Does CCP, Sony or the retailer reimburse me?
Hell lets make it a game, best/funny/logical/random answer gets a couple mill |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5477
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Posted - 2013.12.02 04:55:00 -
[159] - Quote
Kaylee Veloc wrote:This thread is mostly pretty funny, read a few of the posts and wanted to add another scenario purely for curiosity's sake; I purchased an official sony headset which was advertised and came with a PSN voucher for Dust DLC that when redeemed gave me a BPO, what would I be reimbursed with should it be removed? Does it have an Aurum value? Does CCP, Sony or the retailer reimburse me? Hell lets make it a game, best/funny/logical/random answer gets a couple mill
Ooooh I like games.
Well, if hypothetically you purchased this headset with the voucher for Dust DLC (which is a merc pack I assume) long ago when it was still available and you waited this long to redeem the code for the DLC for that BPO, it could be possible that CCP might honor that part of the purchase because you bought it BEFORE the BPOs got removed. Let's hope you kept that receipt.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
591
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:44:00 -
[160] - Quote
The fux goin' on here, anyway?
Munch
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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Blind Nojoy
G I A N T
General Tso's Alliance
62
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:51:00 -
[161] - Quote
Poonmunch wrote:The fux goin' on here, anyway?
Munch
Some guy is trying to blackmail CCP unless they submit to his frivolous lawsuit.
To quote Ivan Drago from the movie that won the Cold War, "...You will lose." |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5477
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Posted - 2013.12.02 06:18:00 -
[162] - Quote
Still waiting for the answer to my question, OP. I'll keep pestering you over this until either A) you answer the question or B) admit that you are too scared to answer the question.
In the meantime...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMDSI4hfPIg&list=PLA19164DFA1080FBB&index=10
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5518
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Posted - 2013.12.03 05:05:00 -
[163] - Quote
Sooooooo..... Yelsha........
About my question...........
Answer much?
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5518
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Posted - 2013.12.03 05:08:00 -
[164] - Quote
What are you gonna do if I keep on pestering you?
Slap a restraining order on me?
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5520
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Posted - 2013.12.03 05:54:00 -
[165] - Quote
dustwaffle wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:What are you gonna do if I keep on pestering you?
Slap a restraining order on me? Probably write to no less than four different consumer rights groups and receive four similarly worded emails saying, "You should investigate more into the matter and find out if such actions are within boundaries of the game."
Very likely scenario. Kind of like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TEvacFETvM
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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ThePrinceOfNigeria
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
267
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Posted - 2013.12.03 05:55:00 -
[166] - Quote
Too bad you are making purchases thru Sony and not CCP so all they got to do is tell you to go sue Sony...
IE: CCP could give a flying **** most likely. |
XxArrowxX
Northwind Alliance
Dark Taboo
6
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Posted - 2013.12.03 05:58:00 -
[167] - Quote
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XxArrowxX
Northwind Alliance
Dark Taboo
6
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Posted - 2013.12.03 06:00:00 -
[168] - Quote
You make us American's look even worse if u are one. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
762
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Posted - 2013.12.03 06:28:00 -
[169] - Quote
XxArrowxX wrote:You make us American's look even worse if u are one.
Yeah really. As a true American I would suggest carpet bombing that tiny island rather than a lawsuit.
"It's made with bits of real Gallente. So you know it's good."
-GÇö Brian Fantana paraphrased
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Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
664
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Posted - 2013.12.03 07:31:00 -
[170] - Quote
ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:Too bad you are making purchases thru Sony and not CCP so all they got to do is tell you to go sue Sony...
IE: CCP could give a flying **** most likely.
lololol suing Sony. i bet whoever tries to sue sony will run out of money before they even get started. 
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