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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:09:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further. The most you will get out of this whole fiasco is being made a fool of in court when the legal stuff you clearly don't understand slaps you in the face. The fact you don't understand means you could have only fed false information by ignorance to the solicitors or lawyers you have spoken to. Trust me save yourself the embarrassment and drop it. Edit: you are also attempting blackmail, that is illegal so I'd delete the whole post if I was you. The fact that people think some magical EULA will save any argument in court is hilarious. Business is business.... The Whole DUST 514 launching on March 14th and all the players getting a full AURum reimbursements for every Aurum purchase made during beta had EXACTLY to do with Aurum and getting a class action law suit.
Even when they've benefited from other gamers standing up for their consumer rights, they still turn on their own and lick CCPs prostate like a golden gobstopper. This whole playerbase is a cancer.
I can has ISK
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5259
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:16:00 -
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@Yelsha
Hey, OP. YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
I'm over here!!!!!
\o/
I'm still waiting to know what exactly you told those consumer rights groups. And I want it verbatim. That is my price, OP. I suggest you consider it before I go any further.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
274
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:18:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further.
I know what your tryng to do. Other people don't ,but I do.
If this works, tell me.
"We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1056
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:18:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:
Even when they've benefited from other gamers standing up for their consumer rights, they still turn on their own and lick CCPs prostate like a golden gobstopper. This whole playerbase is a cancer.
I guess I'm just not going to get all that bent out of shape over a few bucks in BPOs which I'm being refunded for in AUR, which I paid for and used to buy said BPOs. At the end of the day your net loss is 0. You have all of the AUR you paid for and thus have zero legal rights to jack ****, other than the AUR they're refunding you with.
Now cut this crap out and stop acting like an idiot, you're making the alliance look bad with this idiotic crap.
ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
8
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:30:00 -
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Didnt we have to click the accept button of an agreement saying they could do this stuff without our consent? I mean most people dont read them. But they really should at least scan the sections XD |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2258
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:31:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further.
It would be far more reasonable to ask for equivalent militia BPOs of those being taken from you.
No.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10522
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:34:00 -
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http://itlaw.wikia.com/wiki/M.A._Mortenson_v._Timberline_Software
2 million usd loss here at the fault of the sueing company.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier Specialist
Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
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AfroSunshineY Consequence
R 0 N 1 N
175
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:39:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further.
Sorry brother, but you don't want to go down this route. First - how much real life money did you really spend? Second, it's not like they're taking away your aurum - you're getting it back and that is in fact what you paid for. Aurum. Not blueprints - Aurum. Now that I think about it it is interesting that CCP never let one buy the BPOs with money directly. Also, it just kind of seems like you want the Master Recruiter Dropsuit. SMH. You'll have to try harder, be more organized and less transparent if you want to effect change |
Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
1822
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:55:00 -
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why do we care?
Gǃwould watering a apple tree with apple juice be forced cannibalism?" - Draxus Prime
Closed beta vet
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Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
1822
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Posted - 2013.11.23 02:57:00 -
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earn the suit the legit way
Gǃwould watering a apple tree with apple juice be forced cannibalism?" - Draxus Prime
Closed beta vet
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SILENTSAM 69
SONS of LEGION
RISE of LEGION
607
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Posted - 2013.11.23 03:35:00 -
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Man, thanks for the funny reading.
I almost hope this guy attempts legal action, and ends up having to pay a lawyer for nothing. The sad thing is I wouldn't be able to see the persons face after they are told they are wasting peoples time. |
SILENTSAM 69
SONS of LEGION
RISE of LEGION
607
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Posted - 2013.11.23 03:39:00 -
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I only just now saw that this went on for many pages and that the person is actually defending their idea, as if they have any idea of what they are talking about.
Please continue to defend this silly notion that you have any legal grounds whatsoever here. You obviously do not understand that you accepted a contract giving CCP the right to do all this.
Not to mention the fact that you are whining over something that amounts to almost nothing. You are crying like a spoiled child, and think you are going to take legal action? lol |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
147
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Posted - 2013.11.23 03:50:00 -
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I kinda hope they lock ypu out of your dust characters
Christ is lord
Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now.
Free tacos
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
207
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Posted - 2013.11.23 03:57:00 -
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THIS is damn hilarious.
his whole case rests on weather or not he can prove CCP + Sony EULA is unjust and unenforcable within the country of sale.
and yet he never actually even attempts to do so, and hasnt read either EULA, or his own local laws yet.
sure he knows that in rare cases EULAs have in the past been deemed unenforcable, but doesnt understand that that doesnt automatically mean all EULAs are unenforcable. |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
147
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:04:00 -
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Dust Junky 4Life wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Jeez man, you're getting a AUR in return, what's your problem?
All this BS about legal action and ****, stop playing. aur is useless not like there are any bpos on the market and most vets have enough sp to where boosters mean nothing ?? So u want the useless BPO's?? People are so short sighted, its like they don't realise new AUR items will be added in the future. EDIT: I bet those QQ'ing about all this BS didn't even buy the stuff, their parents did, in which case you have nothing to say. Speak to your Mom. Your as ignorant as the rest of em! It's not the money, it's the principal! I paid for PERMANENT items, I expect to have PERMANENT items. How in the fk would my bpo's be worthless in 1.7? Are vehicle NOT going to have shields/PG? That's what they are taking.
You paid for items that you agreed might be changed or taken without consent
Christ is lord
Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now.
Free tacos
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
207
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:26:00 -
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deepfried salad gilliam wrote:Dust Junky 4Life wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Jeez man, you're getting a AUR in return, what's your problem?
All this BS about legal action and ****, stop playing. aur is useless not like there are any bpos on the market and most vets have enough sp to where boosters mean nothing ?? So u want the useless BPO's?? People are so short sighted, its like they don't realise new AUR items will be added in the future. EDIT: I bet those QQ'ing about all this BS didn't even buy the stuff, their parents did, in which case you have nothing to say. Speak to your Mom. Your as ignorant as the rest of em! It's not the money, it's the principal! I paid for PERMANENT items, I expect to have PERMANENT items. How in the fk would my bpo's be worthless in 1.7? Are vehicle NOT going to have shields/PG? That's what they are taking. You paid for items that you agreed might be changed or taken without consent
LOL even better is
be bought a permanant (will not be consumed by losing it in battle) item and recieved exactly what he purchased.
and he doesnt seem to understand that said modules will no longer exsist in ISK form either....
he lacks the reading comprehension to even read the posts from CCP involving the removal of said modules.
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
1059
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:39:00 -
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LOL I FIND IT FUNNY IF U ACTUALLY DO THIS
1. CCP IS A COMPANY
2. UR JUST ONE PERSON
3. UR JUST GONNA END UP LOSING THOUSANDS
4. AND A BANN
5. U LOSE LOL
My PS3 is dusty ._.
Level 1 Forum Warrior
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Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
922
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:48:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Dust Junky 4Life wrote:U pep r ignorant. I have the ORIGINAL purchase agreeement. I will settle for nothing less then a full cash refund. $120 Ill go to small claims court if I have to. Good luck fighting Sony  . You should give us updates too.
Sony isn't so bad, but would you wanna be in a court room with foxfours sarcasm?
If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
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Himiko Kuronaga
The Generals
EoN.
2347
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:57:00 -
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You do realize that it is perfectly within their rights to grant you what you want, and then ban you immediately afterwards for simply wasting their time, right? |
General John Ripper
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
5595
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Posted - 2013.11.23 05:03:00 -
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This thread is full of lolz
This is my signature.
I like beer.
I like tacos.
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Iyllaria Dai
Legions of Infinite Dominion
28
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Posted - 2013.11.23 05:13:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Iyllaria Dai wrote:Since no one bought ANYTHING directly in game with cash, you bought Aurum, which then you used AT YOUR DISCRETION to buy whatever in game items, you can keep dreaming about ANY refund.
It kills me that you idiots think CCP is going to placate your whimsical demands. First off no one forced you to spend the money, nor did they promise anything in the process. You were given the exact amount of AUR you purchased and therefore they held up that agreement. How you spend it is not their concern.
Don't like a change in game.. quit. Otherwise STFU and go QQ elsewhere. Actually, that's not true. Many of the various packs came with exclusive BPOs that only come from buying those packs, not the AUR. As far as I know, those BPOs are here to stay, but if they are ever removed then CCP will have an interesting situation on their hands.
If you bothered to read the EULA nothing is set in stone. True in ANY game.
CCP has nothing to concern with, other than a bunch of self entitled cry babies wasting their time. Which is an easy fix by banning their IP address from the server side. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
657
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Posted - 2013.11.23 05:13:00 -
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EULA teaches you a lot about telling right from wrong, don't it? Could it be that EULA is an excerpt from the Bible?
Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
657
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Posted - 2013.11.23 05:16:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:You do realize that it is perfectly within their rights to grant you what you want, and then ban you immediately afterwards for simply wasting their time, right?
That would be like losing Paradise, won't it? I guess it's good to be CCP you can do whatever whenever. What's even better is that there is an army of ppl, some of whom are even Generals, to back it up whenever that said whatever happens.
Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
983
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Posted - 2013.11.23 05:18:00 -
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If I was CCP I would refund the money and ban the the complaintive. Now if CCP took my BPO's I paid for, I would delete my game and never look back. I cant ask for anything more. I chose to spend my money and if they change there minds and they have I have two options. Accept the changes and keep playing or quit. This is like getting mad for I payed $60 for a game and only got $10 for trade in value. I knew the consequences and I took the risk there is no one to blame but me.
Do not eat the yellow snow
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
209
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Posted - 2013.11.23 05:22:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:EULA teaches you a lot about telling right from wrong, don't it? Could it be that EULA is an excerpt from the Bible?
i hate to break it to you but the laws of countrys dont follow the rule of right and wrong either :P |
Iyllaria Dai
Legions of Infinite Dominion
28
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Posted - 2013.11.23 05:26:00 -
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Dust Junky 4Life wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Jeez man, you're getting a AUR in return, what's your problem?
All this BS about legal action and ****, stop playing. aur is useless not like there are any bpos on the market and most vets have enough sp to where boosters mean nothing ?? So u want the useless BPO's?? People are so short sighted, its like they don't realise new AUR items will be added in the future. EDIT: I bet those QQ'ing about all this BS didn't even buy the stuff, their parents did, in which case you have nothing to say. Speak to your Mom. Your as ignorant as the rest of em! It's not the money, it's the principal! I paid for PERMANENT items, I expect to have PERMANENT items. How in the fk would my bpo's be worthless in 1.7? Are vehicle NOT going to have shields/PG? That's what they are taking.
No you PAID for an item that does not consume on use. Hence the term permanent. NOT that it would never be changed. Perhaps if you bothered yourself to read the ToS and EULA on a game you would see you have NO RECOURSE!
They have the right to change things as they go, hell what about payment for my time I put into my character only to have them change it. I should sue them too. Hell if we all tried to sue them over the stuff they changed since Closed Beta we would all be too busy to play the damn game.
Grow up, Get over it, Move on. Your getting in game Aur refunded for your BPO's. What more do you want. |
xLuca Brasi
DUST University
Ivy League
65
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:38:00 -
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SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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xLuca Brasi
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:28:00 -
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we haven't had this thread on page 1 for awhile
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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skippy678
F.T.U.
135
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:33:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further.
ya...because Sony and CCP didnt check with their lawyers already....unlike your ..advise..and I am sure that their diligence is more than 4 emails...newb
you get a +1
as in +1 T-bag for your face when i see you.
U.play.good?
F.T.U. Recruiting Thread
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skippy678
F.T.U.
135
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:35:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Having contacted various consumer rights groups via email, including one national citizens advice bureau, I have received no less than 4 responses in just over 24 hours. The responses were all similar and quite reasonable, and all suggested that I give consideration to making a claim if I am still not satisfied when the change happens.
They each suggested that I try to resolve the issue between myself and CCP to find some middle ground and come to a reimbursement solution that both parties (me and CCP) agree upon. 3/4 of the responses agreed that any reimbursement should be agreed upon with myself being consulted, not simply TOLD what to accept.
With this in mind, I have decided on what I want to request from CCP as middle ground.
To any CCP Devs reading this, I am willing to reach a settlement on this dispute by receiving a Master Recruiter CII Dropsuit before or as 1.7 drops. That is my price CCP, I suggest you consider it before this goes any further. ya...because Sony and CCP didnt check with their lawyers already....unlike your ..advise..and I am sure that their diligence is more than 4 emails...newb you get a +1 as in +1 T-bag for your face when i see you.
The people that post BPO threads will now be put on the same list as people who steal dropships as far as im concerned.
U.play.good?
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