DUST Search - Honestly, this pub stomping has got to stop already...

8213 wrote:

I don't mind it, because I can always use my own Protogear, or just switch to a starter fit. I only play pubs when I feel like playing not so seriously, and to grind some ISK.

But going against an ENTIRE(all16) team of Prototype is ridiculous.
The protostompers need to just knock it off, you're getting nowhere by doing it and you are hurting the game by being selfish a**holes. Seriously, what's the point of doing it? I seriously look at what's going on and have nothing but personal disdain for this pathetic behavior. Who is impressed with stomping noobs in Starter fits? Do you actually try to pretend you're good when doing it? Is it some sort of accomplishment in your world? Pubstomping is wrong, 100%. It will only drive the playerbase even lower, than these guys will have to go back to games with more players on it and be the loser they were there all over again.

And to CCP. This is 100% YOUR FAULT. How can a match making system be this one-sided? Has anyone been in a match in a pub that actually was even remotely close? How are people who have less than 50 days play time being put on one team, and stacked squads of players who have over a year's play time being put all on the other side? game, after game, after game, after game...

I understand that CCP thought it was a good idea to make a game that was purposely unbalanced and unfair, but like most of everything they have done with DUST 514, they never thought it through. CCP, you know why you can't keep players on this game. How long is this joke of an experiment going to last? How is it that you can even afford to build this game with <5,000 people playing this game WORLDWIDE on any given day?

You know the answer, so why haven't you corrected it? How hard is it to make a match making system that balances out squads and time played in game? Having a low playerbase is not an reason either, that is an excuse.

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8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 727	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:50:00 - [1] - Quote I don't mind it, because I can always use my own Protogear, or just switch to a starter fit. I only play pubs when I feel like playing not so seriously, and to grind some ISK. But going against an ENTIRE(all16) team of Prototype is ridiculous. The protostompers need to just knock it off, you're getting nowhere by doing it and you are hurting the game by being selfish aholes. Seriously, what's the point of doing it? I seriously look at what's going on and have nothing but personal disdain for this pathetic behavior. Who is impressed with stomping noobs in Starter fits? Do you actually try to pretend you're good when doing it? Is it some sort of accomplishment in your world? Pubstomping is wrong, 100%. It will only drive the playerbase even lower, than these guys will have to go back to games with more players on it and be the loser they were there all over again. And to CCP. This is 100% YOUR FAULT**. How can a match making system be this one-sided? Has anyone been in a match in a pub that actually was even remotely close? How are people who have less than 50 days play time being put on one team, and stacked squads of players who have over a year's play time being put all on the other side? game, after game, after game, after game... I understand that CCP thought it was a good idea to make a game that was purposely unbalanced and unfair, but like most of everything they have done with DUST 514, they never thought it through. CCP, you know why you can't keep players on this game. How long is this joke of an experiment going to last? How is it that you can even afford to build this game with <5,000 people playing this game WORLDWIDE on any given day? You know the answer, so why haven't you corrected it? How hard is it to make a match making system that balances out squads and time played in game? Having a low playerbase is not an reason either, that is an excuse.
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 593	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:53:00 - [2] - Quote Stoping Protostomping... How didnt anyone come up with such idea "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1551	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:55:00 - [3] - Quote THIS is really the one thing preventing DUST from growing. Either squadless mode, or mode to lock a tech tier. ******* DO IT NOW GAWD DAMMIT For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 89	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:56:00 - [4] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Stoping Protostomping... How didnt anyone come up with such idea a stop bullying video
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1299	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:58:00 - [5] - Quote Maybe Kain Spero could bring the community's views on this to CCP - oh wait nevermind, I forgot I saw him qsynced in FW match with TP and AE protostomping the 10 New Players on my team. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
HyperionsThunder Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 130	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:59:00 - [6] - Quote So having just experienced the problem to a huge degree, I must say it has got to be incredibly frustrating. I just started a pub match, and instantly (and I'm serious, IT WAS INSTANTLY) died every time I spawned. I'm running an ADV gallente logi, stacked armor mods and some (undisclosed) proto gear. Nevertheless, I died as soon as I spawned, using the smart spawn option (not just spawning in to some dumb drop uplink in a bad position). This creates several significant problems. It was frustrating, and that isn't the point. If I wasn't running the gear I was, I might not have gone 1 and 4, so if I was a new player, this would have been impossible. Instantly spawning and dying isn't worth the time of any gamer. If you aren't spawned in to the beginning of a match, you could find yourself on the end of a Duvolle, and that is the big problem. In order for this game to last, there has to be some distinction, so an entire team can hold off a squad of vets. I'm don't mean to say, "WE NEED TO STOP THE PROTOSTOMPING WTF I HATE DYING," I mean to say that the long term vision of this game is hurt by the fact that new players are turned away by matches like mine... Common sense will prevail. Adapt or die.
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 81	Posted - 2013.11.17 06:01:00 - [7] - Quote IMO what we need is a no squad pub match. Everyone enters solo. Proto players are vulnerable when not supported by an organised squad with good communication. Team work and organisation + top end gear is what is hurting pub matches. Just make a pub match that people can enter without fear of running into PC corps doing training runs or whatever. Sure you will get solo awesome warriors, but they will not be able to completely dominate the match on their own.
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1552	Posted - 2013.11.17 06:06:00 - [8] - Quote @Hyperions, one is that Smart Deploy is *******, but other then that, spot on. Seriously, most console gamers won't turn down a free game if it's halfway decent, but they want to play against those of similar skill level and gear. DUST fucks that one thing up, reason that this game isn't pretty big now. NPE is the worst I've seen. Hell, I'm not a new player and I still get ground to paste by ROFLstomps. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy* Replication Warrior
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 855	Posted - 2013.11.17 06:13:00 - [9] - Quote I'm all for squadless mode and tier locked matches, just sayin' CCP.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1300	Posted - 2013.11.17 06:17:00 - [10] - Quote straya fox wrote: Just make a pub match that people can enter without fear of running into PC corps doing training runs or whatever. You know, I could see that as a viable excuse IF completely unorganized teams of players fresh from academy could ever realistically be considered remotely close to being "decent" competition for Fully organized teams of PC Protobears. Seriously, lets just call it what it is. These jerks are afraid to ever lose their place at the top, so the secure it by extinguishing any flame of hope that might burn within the heart of the new Player. They are so hellbent on keeping their stats on top of the leaderboards, that they would jeapordize the future of the game. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*

Foxbat 071 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 15	Posted - 2013.11.17 06:21:00 - [11] - Quote I don't think it's so much prototype gear making the matches one-sided, its the fact that it always seems like squads are always put on the same side. Almost every time I run solo, my team is all randoms, and the enemy team has 1-2 squads. Whenever I run in a squad, we usually have another squad against all randoms. I RARELY get to play squad vs squad matches, which are 100x more fun than stomping/getting stomped. It doesn't matter if you're running standard or proto, 1-2 squads vs all randoms will be a stomp every time. *BLAP* ( X ) Call For Help ( O ) Respawn
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 82	Posted - 2013.11.17 06:24:00 - [12] - Quote I don't believe in locking equipment tiers, this is New Eden. But it's not just fresh from academy guys that deal with this. I truly believe a sqadless mode will bring a lot more balance to all involved. One of the big problems i see is that amount of ISK farming in PC corps. Having an unlimited supply of ISK only enables players to run pro to 24/7. A lot of guys from no name corps with no foothold in PC can run proto gear but the ISK requirements are to much unless involved in a PC farm.
Spectre-M The Generals EoN. 108	Posted - 2013.11.17 06:36:00 - [13] - Quote Squadless modes are not the answer in a team based game. If you wanna be a Rambo, go play something that is built on that playstyle. We need the academy to be more robust. Lock skill point usage until a complete tutorial has been completed and "all MLT matches" have been played with free access to any weapons/suits they want to try. That way we won't have clueless new players wondering why they aren't lasting longer than 2 seconds. We also won't have pros making alts to stomp in academy as well. The match maker should form automatic squads and explain why and what the benefits of a squad are, because it's not obvious to everyone ( as if any one in RL would run out into in warfare alone without backup and communication). Gear explanations on tiers, damage profiles for weapons in game, general user interface instruction. Public matches should be restricted to advanced gear, fw and pc is where proto belongs. Vets complain about a failing game and then treat pubs like a sorority hazing. Make up your minds. Even some of my corpmates protstomp thier own recruits in bounty events we run. Pathetic. Loose the crutches and put your money where your mouth is. Give new players a fighting chance so we can grow this game. It's gotten so bad, people want a new game mode so they can distance themselves from the rest of the community. If this game fails, vets are as much to blame as CCP and their HTFU policy. /entitled juxtaposition
Silas Swakhammer GamersForChrist Orion Empire 259	Posted - 2013.11.17 06:40:00 - [14] - Quote Meh. Check to see if you're going up against a corp. If you see that's the case and don't wanna test your luck/skills, bail on the match. If you're gonna stay, run free suits. It's usually easy to see early on in a match if your team is gonna be outskilled and/or outgeared. During pretty nasty red-lining I like to call in a LLAV and drive around, taking out enemy vehicles if available, or just harassing enemy infantry. It's always amused me to see people run into an issue and keep banging their head into it instead of working a way around it. Pineapples on pizza.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 141	Posted - 2013.11.17 06:41:00 - [15] - Quote if dust had more players they would make academy last longer, smart deploy in ambush is garbage, just try to avoid ambush of you hate proto stomping because that is where you will most likely find them play FW
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1301	Posted - 2013.11.17 06:42:00 - [16] - Quote straya fox wrote: I don't believe in locking equipment tiers, this is New Eden. But it's not just fresh from academy guys that deal with this. I truly believe a sqadless mode will bring a lot more balance to all involved. One of the big problems i see is that amount of ISK farming in PC corps. Having an unlimited supply of ISK only enables players to run pro to 24/7. A lot of guys from no name corps with no foothold in PC can run proto gear but the ISK requirements are to much unless involved in a PC farm. I wouldn't mind seeing options for Gear locked and Non Gear Locked Matches: Hisec MLT/STD Lowsec MLT/STD/ADV Nullsec MLT/STD/ADV/PRO With further subcategories of Lonewolf or Squad Based. This would give players the benefit of being able to play at a more comfortable level, while still providing a challenge to them based on the advanteges Passive skills and Squad Play give I've been saying DUST needs this since I started and repeatedly got Protostomped back in Late Feb early March everyone said it wouldn't work, I just need to HTFU, there aren't enough players blah blah blah. Here it is 8 months later and how many Protostomp complaint threads have we seen since Uprising 1.0? Yes, it is way too easy to use PC to simply farm ISK, then Protostomp the Newer Corps to make damn sure they can never afford enough clone packs to gain a foothold on a District. Even though this is New Eden, it is not EVE. In EVE, players can stay in Hisec, and only be legally attacked under declaration of war. Outside of this, Concord will quite quickly blow the offending ship to bits. Considering this, it is obvious that New Players in EVE have much more of a blanket of protection than the New Player in DUST 514. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 731	Posted - 2013.11.17 06:46:00 - [17] - Quote No, by all means, please keep protostomping. I've got money riding on this game going kaputt by the end of next year if not sooner and this is the main factor in making that happen. If the pen is mightier than the sword, in a duel I'll let you have the pen! -Steven Wright
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1227	Posted - 2013.11.17 07:18:00 - [18] - Quote pub stomping exists in the all mighty battlefield as well
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 395	Posted - 2013.11.17 07:22:00 - [19] - Quote A barrier is needed between the die-hards and the die-oftens. Call it what you will. Any barrier that cannot be gamed or cheated will bring in new players. All of this potential is wasted if you can not get people to log on for more than a week.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1108	Posted - 2013.11.17 07:42:00 - [20] - Quote Every time I see a stop the stomping thread I think about when I first joined in Chromosome.... And then without mercy continue to stomp the living hell out of those new berries with my proto LR & Scr. Why you not give the new guys a chance you ask? Because I went through the same sh!t.... I TOOOK MY BEATINGS LIKE A GOOD OL' BOY WHY CANT THEY!!!! WELCOME TO NEW EDEN "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein

Justice Prevails 92	Posted - 2013.11.17 07:48:00 - [21] - Quote Not a programmer, but I just don't get how they could mess up the matchmaking algorithm this bad. Skill level aside, two full corp squads on one side against randoms is ridiculous. Hate to say it, maybe they are trying to kill the game:-( Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 728	Posted - 2013.11.17 07:50:00 - [22] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Every time I see a stop the stomping thread I think about when I first joined in Chromosome.... And then without mercy continue to stomp the living hell out of those new berries with my proto LR & Scr. Why you not give the new guys a chance you ask? Because I went through the same sh!t.... I TOOOK MY BEATINGS LIKE A GOOD OL' BOY WHY CANT THEY!!!! WELCOME TO NEW EDEN NO, you didn't. Everyone back then was able to progress parallel with everyone else, the number of Protostompers back then was less than 5%. And there was less content in the game in general. You stomp because you're a fcking ahole, plain and simple. Grow the *** up, sorry you can't be the macho alpha male you always fantasized about in the real world. Don't give me that "returning the favor" bullshit. You never had to go through what new players have to go through now. Not even close. Are wonder if you are one of those f*gs that made an alt, just to stomp the academy as well...
Justice Prevails 92	Posted - 2013.11.17 07:59:00 - [23] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Every time I see a stop the stomping thread I think about when I first joined in Chromosome.... And then without mercy continue to stomp the living hell out of those new berries with my proto LR & Scr. Why you not give the new guys a chance you ask? Because I went through the same sh!t.... I TOOOK MY BEATINGS LIKE A GOOD OL' BOY WHY CANT THEY!!!! WELCOME TO NEW EDEN I don't get it. Don't you even want a challenge? Doesn't stomping get boring? Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
ovary obliterator Red Star. EoN. 32	Posted - 2013.11.17 08:42:00 - [24] - Quote i joined at the end of closed beta when everyone was running around all puffed up on sp and it was a pretty rude shock... but i took my lumps. im NOT endorsing protostomping for the record... just people that stick with it through the stompibg end up being better players... also it weeds out a lot of 14yr old codpieces. its way more fun to kill protos in a basic anyway
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2013.11.17 10:57:00 - [25] - Quote 8213 wrote: I don't mind it, because I can always use my own Protogear, or just switch to a starter fit. I only play pubs when I feel like playing not so seriously, and to grind some ISK. But going against an ENTIRE(all16) team of Prototype is ridiculous. The protostompers need to just knock it off, you're getting nowhere by doing it and you are hurting the game by being selfish aholes. Seriously, what's the point of doing it? I seriously look at what's going on and have nothing but personal disdain for this pathetic behavior. Who is impressed with stomping noobs in Starter fits? Do you actually try to pretend you're good when doing it? Is it some sort of accomplishment in your world? Pubstomping is wrong, 100%. It will only drive the playerbase even lower, than these guys will have to go back to games with more players on it and be the loser they were there all over again. And to CCP. This is 100% YOUR FAULT**. How can a match making system be this one-sided? Has anyone been in a match in a pub that actually was even remotely close? How are people who have less than 50 days play time being put on one team, and stacked squads of players who have over a year's play time being put all on the other side? game, after game, after game, after game... I understand that CCP thought it was a good idea to make a game that was purposely unbalanced and unfair, but like most of everything they have done with DUST 514, they never thought it through. CCP, you know why you can't keep players on this game. How long is this joke of an experiment going to last? How is it that you can even afford to build this game with <5,000 people playing this game WORLDWIDE on any given day? You know the answer, so why haven't you corrected it? How hard is it to make a match making system that balances out squads and time played in game? Having a low playerbase is not an reason either, that is an excuse. Join the AFK in the MCC in pubgames on Wednesday's protest or AFK Wednesdays for short .. Join the Revolution
Scheherazade VII 129	Posted - 2013.11.17 11:01:00 - [26] - Quote You just have to be the bigger tryhard. I now have 721 shield and 809 armour with a Duvolle. I won't be able to move very fast but come at me tryhards. GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2013.11.17 11:06:00 - [27] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Every time I see a stop the stomping thread I think about when I first joined in Chromosome.... And then without mercy continue to stomp the living hell out of those new berries with my proto LR & Scr. Why you not give the new guys a chance you ask? Because I went through the same sh!t.... I TOOOK MY BEATINGS LIKE A GOOD OL' BOY WHY CANT THEY!!!! WELCOME TO NEW EDEN Black people were once slaves, do you think their ancestors look at the black people of today and say 'I took my beatings and so should they' ? They did something about it so future generations wouldn't have to go through the same thing If something is wrong it doesn't matter if you went through it or not it doesn't justify putting others through it too You just sound bitter and rather than fixing the problem so others don't have to go through what you did you actually want them to have to go through it too ... Join the Revolution
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1325	Posted - 2013.11.17 11:07:00 - [28] - Quote When Blam took a dump on vehicles, he got tossed. Now, who was it again that's responsible for this senseless MM system, Scotty, and the obvious troll of renaming Auto Deploy to Smart Deploy? Somebody needs to start working on his r+¬sum+¬... Cheeseburgers.
Acturus Galaxy Happy Pumpkin 175	Posted - 2013.11.17 11:33:00 - [29] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: When Blam took a dump on vehicles, he got tossed. Now, who was it again that's responsible for this senseless MM system, Scotty, and the obvious troll of renaming Auto Deploy to Smart Deploy? Somebody needs to start working on his r+¬sum+¬... I do not think matchmaking will work acceptable until we have a bigger player base. Take me for example, I have been here since January, have access to proto equipment and some tanks. I most often run in standard gear but sometimes bring out the proto equipment and vehicles. How can the matchmaker predict how I am going to play? It might weight me high and I decided to only run in standard stuff or it might take me for little value and I decided to test out new proto equipment. The same happens with the rest of the 16 team members. Maybe when we have 32 players on each side the probabilities and margin of errors from the matchmaking will improve with the bigger team and we might more often end up with fairly equal teams on each side. That is if there is enough players to choose from. The other problem with the small player base is that players are moved to other region servers without them being aware of this. They usually run in proto and are weighted high by the matchmaker but perform terrible due to lagging. I see no other solution than making fixed rules to equipment until the player base have increased, ie only standard equipment to be used in pubs. There is a chance the updates to factionwar will decrease the problem. You will no longer make isk and need to run pubs with cheap builds to regain the isk lost in FW matches. Just hope the reward in FW will be high enough to lure in all vet players to spend their isk in FW matches instead of pub matches.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1110	Posted - 2013.11.17 14:06:00 - [30] - Quote 8213 wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Every time I see a stop the stomping thread I think about when I first joined in Chromosome.... And then without mercy continue to stomp the living hell out of those new berries with my proto LR & Scr. Why you not give the new guys a chance you ask? Because I went through the same sh!t.... I TOOOK MY BEATINGS LIKE A GOOD OL' BOY WHY CANT THEY!!!! WELCOME TO NEW EDEN NO, you didn't. Everyone back then was able to progress parallel with everyone else, the number of Protostompers back then was less than 5%. And there was less content in the game in general. You stomp because you're a fcking ahole, plain and simple. Grow the *** up, sorry you can't be the macho alpha male you always fantasized about in the real world. Don't give me that "returning the favor" bullshit. You never had to go through what new players have to go through now. Not even close. Are wonder if you are one of those fgs that made an alt, just to stomp the academy as well... Really now... Back then if you didnt have a Lr or an shield/speed tank caldari Ar suit you were ***. You know what your right I am an ahole in real life. Grow the **** up? Dude your telling this to a teenager. Dont need to be the macho alpha male I was always the recessive sneaky type of guy(I have a older brother whos 3x my size with ADHD and anger issues the only way I could get him back was by waiting and being sneaky). Last time I check a militia Ar couldn't even touch a proto suit back then. Nope I always got out in 1st battle or 3rd in the past. And my reasons for having an alt was to try tanking,dropship,sniping,shotgunning,uprising 1.0 didn't spend my skill points on the first day. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein



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