Every time I see a stop the stomping thread I think about when I first joined in Chromosome.... And then without mercy continue to stomp the living hell out of those new berries with my proto LR & Scr. Why you not give the new guys a chance you ask? Because I went through the same sh!t.... I TOOOK MY BEATINGS LIKE A GOOD OL' BOY WHY CANT THEY!!!!








WELCOME TO NEW EDEN

YES^^^^^^^^ FINALLY SOME ONE SPEAKS THE TRUTH. WE GOT WACKED NOW ITS THERE TURN!

YES^^^^^^^^ FINALLY SOME ONE SPEAKS THE TRUTH. WE GOT WACKED NOW ITS THERE TURN!

YES^^^^^^^^ FINALLY SOME ONE SPEAKS THE TRUTH. WE GOT WACKED NOW ITS THERE TURN!

I don't believe in locking equipment tiers, this is New Eden.

But it's not just fresh from academy guys that deal with this. I truly believe a sqadless mode will bring a lot more balance to all involved.

One of the big problems i see is that amount of ISK farming in PC corps. Having an unlimited supply of ISK only enables players to run pro to 24/7.

A lot of guys from no name corps with no foothold in PC can run proto gear but the ISK requirements are to much unless involved in a PC farm.

"This is New Eden" doesn't work here. Supercapital ships aren't allowed to PVP in high-sec. Pub Matches take place in high-sec, and proto gear is Dusts equivalent of capitals and super capitals.

Proto gear should be unusable in Pub Matches.

Dust is nothing but PvP. There is nowhere to go to escape people stronger than you like there is in EVE. Once we get free roam, PVE, Mining, Exploration, ect. things can be more like EVE. Until then, Dust needs to be treated like a lobby shooter, because it is one.

I agree with your points about PC farming however.

But there would still be a problem if a merc with 30 million SP used militia/STD in a match against someone with <1million SP in the same equipment. I think gradations of security space would be very beneficial, and as your skill levels increase, you are prevented from joining public matches in certain security levels.


EDIT: Throughout the thread, I've been trying to point out that a higher SP merc can do significantly better with militia/STD/ADV gear than a low SP merc with proto. Not only have they worked out the mechanics of the game to a better degree, but the core skills have a HUGE effect on how the suit functions.

So over complicating it. Look:
In Pub matches you have filters: Skirmish, Ambush, Domination.
In FW you have filters: Amarr, Min, Gal, Cal

In Pub, you should have an additional filter: Suit levels: Mlt, Std, Adv, Proto, "I don't care"

Default == "I don't care", QQer (me) selects Adv or less. Anyone who joins a match < Proto cannot select any Proto suit fittings.

It could even allow multiple selections so that if you wanted to play in a strictly Proto vs Proto match you could only select Proto.

I rejoice every time I face a full proto team pummelling my team. Yes...they are hated for it.

However...

I simply switch to my Thales and take their "most hated" crown

Proto? Advanced? Militia? Doesn't matter, they all die the same way

Perhaps maybe not the actual gear, but the overall meta level of the suit can be the splitting factor?

And the playerbase is not large enough to support that type of matchmaking.
...
Unfortunately, it won't be getting fixed anytime soon.

How it could be fixed Right Now:

Have the 3-tiered battle limits implemented, along with displaying estimated times to battle start, or at least number of players in queue, for each tier.

The vast majority of players will then choose to NEVER play in proto land, myself included.
The protobears will notice that the time for their battles is an order of magnitude longer than the others, (plus, even when they do get in, there's no more clueless newbs to stomp), and so either
a) quit running proto gear
b) quit the game (Yay!)

Proto gear wil then effectively be a rarity, and mostly limited to PC/FW.

Lol exactly the attitude that turns new players away and now vets too. Enjoy your dying game then... btw if you don't believe it is dying: http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust

This month's triple sp event and the 3 top wins payout event have redeemed the month, but Dust is in fact dying.

Run free fits and ruin their payday. (assuming pay calculations function properly)

So over complicating it. Look:
In Pub matches you have filters: Skirmish, Ambush, Domination.
In FW you have filters: Amarr, Min, Gal, Cal

In Pub, you should have an additional filter: Suit levels: Mlt, Std, Adv, Proto, "I don't care"

Default == "I don't care", QQer (me) selects Adv or less. Anyone who joins a match < Proto cannot select any Proto suit fittings.

It could even allow multiple selections so that if you wanted to play in a strictly Proto vs Proto match you could only select Proto.

But if I join a STD match, and have every core skill maxed out, do you really think a new player is going to stand a chance? My recoil will be reduced, my damaged buffed, my accuracy buffed, my ammo buffed, not to mention my armor will be higher, my efficacy with every module will be better (and therefore an even greater buff to all my damage and my suits), my shields will be better, I'll be able to detect you way before you detect me, and all my equipment will function better than yours. I'll be able to hack faster, run faster, my grenades will stomp yours, and I'll have way more variety of suits, because I can spec into every STD tree.

The complication about this issue is that gear isn't always the determining factor (and it almost never is). The only reason we focus on it is because we see that someone is running a proto suit with a proto gun. We ignore the issue when it is a squad of 30 million SP mercs running STD dropsuit + weapon.

Maybe Kain Spero could bring the community's views on this to CCP - oh wait nevermind, I forgot I saw him qsynced in FW match with TP and AE protostomping the 10 New Players on my team.

I still find the CPM picks funny as several CPMs made it look as though they did "alot for the community" up until they were picked as CPMs. And now that everyone can see the true faces of the CPMs (where they only serve their own agenda and/or are trolls), there's no getting rid of them.

Yeah a long time ago I suggested raising the bar instead of lowering it; players after a certain amount of SP could access exclusive modes with much higher payouts. My hope was that perhaps proto-stompers would look to these modes to maximize their challenge and their overall payout, being able to afford consistent use of prototype gear. The truth about these kinds of players has always been pretty evident, but giving them the benefit of the doubt for so long has me weary. This is a hard pill to swallow for everyone, especially those in proto gear with no ill intent. They are destroying new player retention, whether they like it or not. They would never play such modes...it clearly isn't what they're after.

I personally hate using prototype suits or weapons. Just looking at my Freedom makes me uneasy, since the STD suits I kill with it have no answer for it at all. As such, I refrain from using anything proto 99.99% of the time, even when faced with an enemy protostomp. I see it as a chance to hone my skills against superior opponents, and I'm sure many vets share my sentiment, but new players are given no such chance. They simply don't have the experience to know how to begin to deal with them. And it sucks. A lot. And instead of apology or advice their reward for the miserable experience is an attitude of condescending elitism that a new player, especially one new to the Eve universe, is incapable of realizing. "HTFU" without context just sounds really dickish. I don't blame them for leaving.

My personal favorite scenario is when at the beginning of a pub battle, the top-fit suit on the field is an advanced at best, and as soon as the battle begins to go sour for either side suddenly a wave of black suits appear. It's really lame, and it just drives the OP's point further into the reality it is. Enjoy your K/D, protostompers. Enjoy looking at that number until its the only one left on the server.