DUST Search - Honestly, this pub stomping has got to stop already...

Midas Fool wrote:

Yeah a long time ago I suggested raising the bar instead of lowering it; players after a certain amount of SP could access exclusive modes with much higher payouts. My hope was that perhaps proto-stompers would look to these modes to maximize their challenge and their overall payout, being able to afford consistent use of prototype gear. The truth about these kinds of players has always been pretty evident, but giving them the benefit of the doubt for so long has me weary. This is a hard pill to swallow for everyone, especially those in proto gear with no ill intent. They are destroying new player retention, whether they like it or not. They would never play such modes...it clearly isn't what they're after.

I personally hate using prototype suits or weapons. Just looking at my Freedom makes me uneasy, since the STD suits I kill with it have no answer for it at all. As such, I refrain from using anything proto 99.99% of the time, even when faced with an enemy protostomp. I see it as a chance to hone my skills against superior opponents, and I'm sure many vets share my sentiment, but new players are given no such chance. They simply don't have the experience to know how to begin to deal with them. And it sucks. A lot. And instead of apology or advice their reward for the miserable experience is an attitude of condescending elitism that a new player, especially one new to the Eve universe, is incapable of realizing. "HTFU" without context just sounds really dickish. I don't blame them for leaving.

My personal favorite scenario is when at the beginning of a pub battle, the top-fit suit on the field is an advanced at best, and as soon as the battle begins to go sour for either side suddenly a wave of black suits appear. It's really lame, and it just drives the OP's point further into the reality it is. Enjoy your K/D, protostompers. Enjoy looking at that number until its the only one left on the server.


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8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 727	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:50:00 - [1] - Quote I don't mind it, because I can always use my own Protogear, or just switch to a starter fit. I only play pubs when I feel like playing not so seriously, and to grind some ISK. But going against an ENTIRE(all16) team of Prototype is ridiculous. The protostompers need to just knock it off, you're getting nowhere by doing it and you are hurting the game by being selfish aholes. Seriously, what's the point of doing it? I seriously look at what's going on and have nothing but personal disdain for this pathetic behavior. Who is impressed with stomping noobs in Starter fits? Do you actually try to pretend you're good when doing it? Is it some sort of accomplishment in your world? Pubstomping is wrong, 100%. It will only drive the playerbase even lower, than these guys will have to go back to games with more players on it and be the loser they were there all over again. And to CCP. This is 100% YOUR FAULT**. How can a match making system be this one-sided? Has anyone been in a match in a pub that actually was even remotely close? How are people who have less than 50 days play time being put on one team, and stacked squads of players who have over a year's play time being put all on the other side? game, after game, after game, after game... I understand that CCP thought it was a good idea to make a game that was purposely unbalanced and unfair, but like most of everything they have done with DUST 514, they never thought it through. CCP, you know why you can't keep players on this game. How long is this joke of an experiment going to last? How is it that you can even afford to build this game with <5,000 people playing this game WORLDWIDE on any given day? You know the answer, so why haven't you corrected it? How hard is it to make a match making system that balances out squads and time played in game? Having a low playerbase is not an reason either, that is an excuse.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 728	Posted - 2013.11.17 07:50:00 - [2] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Every time I see a stop the stomping thread I think about when I first joined in Chromosome.... And then without mercy continue to stomp the living hell out of those new berries with my proto LR & Scr. Why you not give the new guys a chance you ask? Because I went through the same sh!t.... I TOOOK MY BEATINGS LIKE A GOOD OL' BOY WHY CANT THEY!!!! WELCOME TO NEW EDEN NO, you didn't. Everyone back then was able to progress parallel with everyone else, the number of Protostompers back then was less than 5%. And there was less content in the game in general. You stomp because you're a fcking ahole, plain and simple. Grow the *** up, sorry you can't be the macho alpha male you always fantasized about in the real world. Don't give me that "returning the favor" bullshit. You never had to go through what new players have to go through now. Not even close. Are wonder if you are one of those f*gs that made an alt, just to stomp the academy as well...
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 746	Posted - 2013.11.18 07:48:00 - [3] - Quote My corp was doing a fundraiser today. All the tax was at 100%, everything you made went right back into the corp. We just use starter fits and BPO gear so we don't personally lose any ISK during the fundraiser. We just play as many Ambushes as possible for 1-2 hours. Let me tell you what we witnessed: A team win an a game after calling in 3 HAVs (blew up all 3) and lost about another 10,000,000ISK in dropsuits. A guy go 45/6 in a 120,000ISK dropsuit... he lost money, but he gets paid 5mil/wk from his Corp. And, countless tryhards actually put up a fight against us. I even had one kid who topped his team with a WHOPPING 18/6 1400WP score messages me and tell me how bad our Corp must suck, lol. I went 10/10 and made 1500WP. We played a team that was stacked with top teir corps, and have way through, after they were ahead by 40 clones yet, they called in HAVs just to tear the blueberries apart even more, because they didn't want to just win, they wanted to flat out crush the other team. Again, the match making is the problem. It's simple as seperateing squads and players with certian amounts of time spent played in game. Sure, a player can make an alt and try to stomp noobs like they already do in the Academy, that problem will always be there, but at least the you can't tag along with you're corp and slaughter noobs for negative profit. These corps can afford to run proto, because they are a corp. NO individual in this game can afford to run Prototype gear all the time. Keep the corporations out of the public matches and keep them in FW and PC where they belong.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 755	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:39:00 - [4] - Quote Seriously, this ** is getting out of hand. I was playing on my alt, and got into a match against Some Ancient Exiles DJNN Kujo, MJ 420, Porkchop, Appia, LHughs etc... They had an HAV, a Balac's, and Thale's, and the rest were still in 800HP Logi Assault getups with Duvolles, against an entire team of randoms. Seriously, this ** just proves that these corps are single handedly trying to ruin the game for everyone else, because they don't want any competition. Since DUST has a small playerbase, they finally stand out in a game, and don't want to jeopardize that. WHY? Why would you even think about going into a Pub match with a multi-million ISK squad, and priceless Officer Weapons?
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 775	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:48:00 - [5] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Every time I see a stop the stomping thread I think about when I first joined in Chromosome.... And then without mercy continue to stomp the living hell out of those new berries with my proto LR & Scr. Why you not give the new guys a chance you ask? Because I went through the same sh!t.... I TOOOK MY BEATINGS LIKE A GOOD OL' BOY WHY CANT THEY!!!! WELCOME TO NEW EDEN YES^^^^^^^^ FINALLY SOME ONE SPEAKS THE TRUTH. WE GOT WACKED NOW ITS THERE TURN! Scroll back to my reply to this kid earlier in this thread. You didn't get whacked, that's complete bullshit. I don't remember Protostomping being a problem until Uprising came out, and we got respecs.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 780	Posted - 2013.11.21 21:20:00 - [6] - Quote Jak'Saan wrote: HyperionsThunder wrote: But there would still be a problem if a merc with 30 million SP used militia/STD in a match against someone with <1million SP in the same equipment. I think gradations of security space would be very beneficial, and as your skill levels increase, you are prevented from joining public matches in certain security levels. EDIT: Throughout the thread, I've been trying to point out that a higher SP merc can do significantly better with militia/STD/ADV gear than a low SP merc with proto. Not only have they worked out the mechanics of the game to a better degree, but the core skills have a HUGE effect on how the suit functions. So over complicating it. Look: In Pub matches you have filters: Skirmish, Ambush, Domination. In FW you have filters: Amarr, Min, Gal, Cal In Pub, you should have an additional filter: Suit levels: Mlt, Std, Adv, Proto, "I don't care" Default == "I don't care", QQer (me) selects Adv or less. Anyone who joins a match < Proto cannot select any Proto suit fittings. It could even allow multiple selections so that if you wanted to play in a strictly Proto vs Proto match you could only select Proto. This is a good idea. Perhaps maybe not the actual gear, but the overall meta level of the suit can be the splitting factor? I think payouts should match the lobbies too. The Militia/Standard lobbies don't payout as much as the Proto or "anything goes, I don't care" lobby. It would still factor in the risk vs. reward system.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 818	Posted - 2013.11.26 11:10:00 - [7] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: Quote: Maybe Kain Spero could bring the community's views on this to CCP - oh wait nevermind, I forgot I saw him qsynced in FW match with TP and AE protostomping the 10 New Players on my team. I still find the CPM picks funny as several CPMs made it look as though they did "alot for the community" up until they were picked as CPMs. And now that everyone can see the true faces of the CPMs (where they only serve their own agenda and/or are trolls), there's no getting rid of them. The very idea of having CPMs is just a bureaucratic notion that is laughable. I have no clue what a CPM does, or has done, for DUST 514 except try to spin the CCP Propaganda instead of just being objective and honest with both parties. I was in a match with CCPers once. Once, when they were squadded with some AE boys participating in protostomping themselves, and once when they were on the other side getting it up the a**. They know that it's a problem, but what can you do? They didn't really think to far ahead with this game.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 818	Posted - 2013.11.26 11:26:00 - [8] - Quote Midas Fool wrote: Yeah a long time ago I suggested raising the bar instead of lowering it; players after a certain amount of SP could access exclusive modes with much higher payouts. My hope was that perhaps proto-stompers would look to these modes to maximize their challenge and their overall payout, being able to afford consistent use of prototype gear. The truth about these kinds of players has always been pretty evident, but giving them the benefit of the doubt for so long has me weary. This is a hard pill to swallow for everyone, especially those in proto gear with no ill intent. They are destroying new player retention, whether they like it or not. They would never play such modes...it clearly isn't what they're after. I personally hate using prototype suits or weapons. Just looking at my Freedom makes me uneasy, since the STD suits I kill with it have no answer for it at all. As such, I refrain from using anything proto 99.99% of the time, even when faced with an enemy protostomp. I see it as a chance to hone my skills against superior opponents, and I'm sure many vets share my sentiment, but new players are given no such chance. They simply don't have the experience to know how to begin to deal with them. And it sucks. A lot. And instead of apology or advice their reward for the miserable experience is an attitude of condescending elitism that a new player, especially one new to the Eve universe, is incapable of realizing. "HTFU" without context just sounds really dickish. I don't blame them for leaving. My personal favorite scenario is when at the beginning of a pub battle, the top-fit suit on the field is an advanced at best, and as soon as the battle begins to go sour for either side suddenly a wave of black suits appear. It's really lame, and it just drives the OP's point further into the reality it is. Enjoy your K/D, protostompers. Enjoy looking at that number until its the only one left on the server. I'm with you. If I spawn in with a Proto Suit by accident and there is no Supply Depot, I'll just use my sidearm until perhaps I get killed. My CEO has stated we are not to Protostomp, and some CEOs and top players are agreeing to do so as well. More and more I'm seeing a change (very, very slightly) because people are realizing that to drive off the remaining 4000 players on this game and shut down 100% of intake players is a reality that is in the very near future. At the current rate, the game can feasibly die in <6 months, the new player intake is plummeting and the turnover rate has shot through the roof in the last 3 months. When I play on my alt, which has 0 anything really (no passive SP, just 600,000SP so far) all I use is Starter Fits, and I have no Core Skills or Weapon Skills unlocked. I can take on a Proto and take all his shields and 1/2 his armor or more before he kills me. To me, that's a win. How does a player with 5x more HP, millions of SP dumped into it, and Prototype everything allowing a starter fit do that to him? On my main character (8213), when I encounter a starter fit, they're lucky if they can even hit me, let alone take 85% of my HP. If any of these Protostomp a**holes were to start the game today, fresh and not knowing of anything about DUST 514, they'd quit within a week as well. I've had AE guys and some 0uter.Heaven guys tell me to either "go find another game to play" and "We don't care if nobody plays this game, we'll be on top when it goes down", basically. Because they get a huge power trip of controlling an online empire on a video game, dominating noobs, and get single handedly destroy a game... that's power for these losers.