Every time I see a stop the stomping thread I think about when I first joined in Chromosome.... And then without mercy continue to stomp the living hell out of those new berries with my proto LR & Scr. Why you not give the new guys a chance you ask? Because I went through the same sh!t.... I TOOOK MY BEATINGS LIKE A GOOD OL' BOY WHY CANT THEY!!!!








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And the playerbase is not large enough to support that type of matchmaking.

This whole thread is misplaced, because it isn't actually about protostomping at all, but rather about how bad the matchmaking is.

Unfortunately, it won't be getting fixed anytime soon.

And the playerbase is not large enough to support that type of matchmaking.

This whole thread is misplaced, because it isn't actually about protostomping at all, but rather about how bad the matchmaking is.

Unfortunately, it won't be getting fixed anytime soon.

You know, there is a really simple solution.

Unfortunately it would NEVER be implemented because of attitudes such as this.

While I do understand the perspective of these players, they need to realize they are ruining NPE and Player retention of this game. They could have just as much fun playing with their teams in Standard or advanced gear only.

If they truly think they are such elite DUST players, what is the big deal about using Std or Adv gear to at least give the other guys slightly more of a chance?

I don't speak for anyone else's corp but I know we (OSG) by and large only run proto gear if the other side has it on the field or we see in the warbarge we've got a full squad or two on the opposite team. Honestly, the redline and stomps can be just as bad when we use standard gear. My standard SCR rifle with Prof 3 and standard damage mods is pretty effective. Some of our assault specialists with all AR skills to 5 can pretty much shred proto gear with Dren or Toxin rifles.

My point is that it's not about proto gear. It's the experience gap between players and the core skills that make the biggest difference.

I agree with both this and your player base comment. There has to be some way to level the playing field though.

Why?

Why in the name of anything does the game have to be "fair" for people who want to just run crap gear?

A lot of the complaints about proto stompers are based around the fact that for whatever reason, the proto squad can afford to do it, while the other side can, or will not do the same.

In the former case, if due to SP, than it is a matchmaking issue, and needs to be remedied. Although how one does that given the limited player count is hard to figure out.

In the latter, F them. If you can't afford to run proto, play better, or join a PC landholder and show that you are good enough to earn a roster spot and a paycheck. If you can't sustain running proto because you die to much, and as such it is a massive ISK sink, then get better, get a squad, and stop dieing so much.

I wish more people would adopt a good attitude towards facing down good opposition instead of just crying all the time.

I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW, CCP HAVEN'T GOT A GAME MODE THAT HAS PRE SELECTED SUITS(CAPS BITCHES)

I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW, CCP HAVEN'T GOT A GAME MODE THAT HAS PRE SELECTED SUITS(CAPS BITCHES)

I don't mind it, because I can always use my own Protogear, or just switch to a starter fit. I only play pubs when I feel like playing not so seriously, and to grind some ISK.

But going against an ENTIRE(all16) team of Prototype is ridiculous.
The protostompers need to just knock it off, you're getting nowhere by doing it and you are hurting the game by being selfish a**holes. Seriously, what's the point of doing it? I seriously look at what's going on and have nothing but personal disdain for this pathetic behavior. Who is impressed with stomping noobs in Starter fits? Do you actually try to pretend you're good when doing it? Is it some sort of accomplishment in your world? Pubstomping is wrong, 100%. It will only drive the playerbase even lower, than these guys will have to go back to games with more players on it and be the loser they were there all over again.

And to CCP. This is 100% YOUR FAULT. How can a match making system be this one-sided? Has anyone been in a match in a pub that actually was even remotely close? How are people who have less than 50 days play time being put on one team, and stacked squads of players who have over a year's play time being put all on the other side? game, after game, after game, after game...

I understand that CCP thought it was a good idea to make a game that was purposely unbalanced and unfair, but like most of everything they have done with DUST 514, they never thought it through. CCP, you know why you can't keep players on this game. How long is this joke of an experiment going to last? How is it that you can even afford to build this game with <5,000 people playing this game WORLDWIDE on any given day?

You know the answer, so why haven't you corrected it? How hard is it to make a match making system that balances out squads and time played in game? Having a low playerbase is not an reason either, that is an excuse.

Because it would be lame.

Why?

Why in the name of anything does the game have to be "fair" for people who want to just run crap gear?

A lot of the complaints about proto stompers are based around the fact that for whatever reason, the proto squad can afford to do it, while the other side can, or will not do the same.

In the former case, if due to SP, than it is a matchmaking issue, and needs to be remedied. Although how one does that given the limited player count is hard to figure out.

In the latter, F them. If you can't afford to run proto, play better, or join a PC landholder and show that you are good enough to earn a roster spot and a paycheck. If you can't sustain running proto because you die to much, and as such it is a massive ISK sink, then get better, get a squad, and stop dieing so much.

I wish more people would adopt a good attitude towards facing down good opposition instead of just crying all the time.

Market Forces to the rescue. That's what we need, above anything else. Proto stomping must be balanced through cost and payout mechanics, and THEN matchmaking. In essence, it should be financially unviable to lose more than two proto suits in a public match, and tat the other end of the scale PC should give just enough isk to run proto at a profit only for so long as you can successfully hold territory without losing too many suits in doing so. They're premium items that dominate the battlefield in the right hands, and right now the game hands out isk like inflation never existed and that needs to change.

Don't take away the choice to be a **** in pubs, instead increase the exposure to serious isk loss for screwing up just one game, and then let the player base adapt (or die).

Player market driving up the cost of Proto (and probably Adv) gear would only make the Proto gear less affordable to those who don't have a PC ISK Farm to fund them. This would only make the problem worse than it already is.

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I would agree that pub stomping, or proto stomping, is a huge issue for new players. As someone who has been playing for a while now I find it more of an annoyance than an actual problem. People should most definitely be able to run whatever gear they want, this is a sandbox game after all.

The biggest issue is that there isn't a "safe" place for new players to learn/play the game. The Battle Academy is an absolute joke. Personally I'd like to see matches broken down with "meta-level" options.

Basically it would break down the game into matches where everyone can only run militia, basic and standard gear. Then matches where people could run militia, basic, standard and advanced gear. Then matches where all gear is viable to be used. When queuing for whichever game mode you want to play you would have the option of which meta-level you'd like to play at.

In my opinion this would make for better matches. Granted skilled players would still be able to go into the "basic level" game modes in basic gear and still completely run over new players, but at least the new players would have a chance because the gear would be matched.

Personally I don't like red-lining people, nor do I enjoy being red-lined. It makes for boring matches no matter which side you're on.

When you first start playing you have fewer skill points , you will die more matchmaking will not change this.

What will make a difference is if you learn from it. If your first reaction to several poor games in a row is to come to the forum and cry about it, quit and send childish emails stop playing, I donGÇÖt want you on my team.

I have been on both sides stomped and stomping. I play solo because I find it more of a challenge. Being stomped and on the stomping side I have learned how important uplinks are. And which null cannons on the map are the most important to control to win. The stomps and red lining that take place is not always due to gear or skill points. ItGÇÖs a small part of it. Most of the time its poor game play, and a lack of team work. The sooner we all admit that the sooner we can find solutions.

For example on a map with 5 objectives how often have you seen entire squads run and hack the first open turret or null cannon instead of making an attempt to control the city? Already knowing your team is outmatched. Or, heavies, sentinels and commandos running across the field from the MCC. How about the single player in an LAV that drives right past said heavy at the start of the match. Meanwhile the other team is setting up shop, with nano hives and uplinks on the main objectives. Or the best I have seen, locked squads with two people in them. Another good one is the squad commander not giving squad orders.

If your team is outmatched that is the time to be the most aggressive stick with your team mates and blob right back. No amount of affirmative action matchmaking or artificial gameplay barriers will fix this. Take some responsibility for being stomped and learn from it. Devs can't and shouldn't control the decisions players make in game.

Every time I see a stop the stomping thread I think about when I first joined in Chromosome.... And then without mercy continue to stomp the living hell out of those new berries with my proto LR & Scr. Why you not give the new guys a chance you ask? Because I went through the same sh!t.... I TOOOK MY BEATINGS LIKE A GOOD OL' BOY WHY CANT THEY!!!!








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Seriously, this **** is getting out of hand.
I was playing on my alt, and got into a match against

Some Ancient Exiles
DJNN Kujo, MJ 420, Porkchop, Appia, LHughs etc...

They had an HAV, a Balac's, and Thale's, and the rest were still in 800HP Logi Assault getups with Duvolles, against an entire team of randoms.

Seriously, this **** just proves that these corps are single handedly trying to ruin the game for everyone else, because they don't want any competition. Since DUST has a small playerbase, they finally stand out in a game, and don't want to jeopardize that.

WHY? Why would you even think about going into a Pub match with a multi-million ISK squad, and priceless Officer Weapons?

Honestly I couldn't agree more. I have been playing this game exclusively since closed beta. Exclusively. The only weeks I did not cap out was 1 week when I was on vacation. The last few times I played, I found myself raging every match. I'm so turned off of the game that I am breaking my consecutive weeks of capping out (I am almost 30 mil sp). And I have no desire to pick it up again until CCP even admits that this is an issue, (hence why I am still on forum)

This game just plain sucks now. No fun at all. Well anyway there are lots of other great games out there until CCP decides to ( or not to) do something about it.