Taken long enough for a proper discussion on this subject to arise. Normally its just pure QQ but this thread actually throws out points of truth.

The game should allow for ALL play styles and ego stroking to be met but not at the cost of a n00bs getting turned off.

Put the proto w*nking into perspective. It is a very powerful suit and takes serious effort to achieve but if its being used to crush those with NO hope of countering it then its just plain pointless and self defeating. CCP needs to address this issue and soon by taking some measures to counter this.

Why not change PC? Turn it over to the EVE side. It's plainly obvious that mercs get paid to fight and that's what needs to happen. Open up the EVE - DUST link, get the corporations and markets going then make it so that mercs DO NOT own land but fight contracts for the EVE corps that do.

Aero Yassavi made an excellent thread that contains suggestions from all sorts on FW remodelling that can be applied to the whole game at points.

To all the big corps, take some responsibility. Quit trolling the n00bs in pub matches and stop destroying the game for everyone.

Shouldn't you be on the dealing end of this problem with 30 million SP?

So having just experienced the problem to a huge degree, I must say it has got to be incredibly frustrating. I just started a pub match, and instantly (and I'm serious, IT WAS INSTANTLY) died every time I spawned. I'm running an ADV gallente logi, stacked armor mods and some (undisclosed) proto gear. Nevertheless, I died as soon as I spawned, using the smart spawn option (not just spawning in to some dumb drop uplink in a bad position).

This creates several significant problems. It was frustrating, and that isn't the point. If I wasn't running the gear I was, I might not have gone 1 and 4, so if I was a new player, this would have been impossible. Instantly spawning and dying isn't worth the time of any gamer. If you aren't spawned in to the beginning of a match, you could find yourself on the end of a Duvolle, and that is the big problem. In order for this game to last, there has to be some distinction, so an entire team can hold off a squad of vets. I'm don't mean to say, "WE NEED TO STOP THE PROTOSTOMPING WTF I HATE DYING," I mean to say that the long term vision of this game is hurt by the fact that new players are turned away by matches like mine...

There's always the option Tiercide

P.S. it'll fix a lot of the problems we're having

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But going against an ENTIRE(all16) team of Prototype is ridiculous.
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And to CCP. This is 100% YOUR FAULT. How can a match making system be this one-sided?
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Just do what I do and go 27/0 in std gear thats how u prove your good not by being cunts and running your top tier suits so u can think your good stop being assholes ya proto scrubs save that **** for pc stop relying on your proto scrub crutches and learn to do good in normal gear

I proposed this before:

Reward killing strong loadouts with weak loadouts with more SP.

Meaning, if you kill a Proto with say a Basic suit, you should get 75 SP.
If you kill a Basic with a Proto you only get 25 SP.
If the suits are more or less matched, give 50SP.

Vets would still have an advantage (due to passive skills), but the desire to run proto would be reduced.

This would reward newer players (or veterans who run cheap) and it would give less incentive to run Proto all the time.

Protos would still be the last resort for FW2.0 and PC, but in pub matches, everyone would more or less avoid it.

Simple:

Proto kills proto - full points
Proto kills ADV or lower - no points

ADV or lower kills ADV or lower - full points
ADVor lower kills proto - 3x points

If you feel really sorry for protos, give them .33 points for ADV on down.

Next.

Quoting this for the bump. This is an awesome idea.
Make an incentive for the challenge.

These ideas are already implemented in the ISK payout scheme. The more ISK lost by the other team, the higher the payout. S'why you can get 3 million ISK from a pubmatch on one day, and 150K on another.

Stop crying OP. If you cant take it, get outta New Eden. This is the way its meant to be. DUST 514 is sadly not your general FPS shooter made for the masses.

The handheld matchmaking you so desperately want, may be added for the Arena Modes that DUST will have in time.

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Don't hate the players. I use proto 24/7, I don't runaround killing militia fits thinking I'm amazing. I know it's unfair but what do you want me to do? Play the game poorer? That includes by not choosing Proto fittings.

But the only reason people focus on prototype gear is because they see the suit and weapon when they get killed. What are your core skills at? I played with a merc last night, who kept bragging about how he was doing SO well in militia gear. He even exclaimed that he had been kicked out of several protostomping corps because he was "too good." When I asked him about his skills, he had +20 million SP, with most of it in weapons, and the rest in his dropsuit. We can hammer this point into the ground, it isn't gear that is the crux - the problems are core skills, tight running squads, queue syncing, etc.

With respect to people being able to make a living off killing miners, at least the miners can hire some defense, or stay in highsec space. Maybe CCP (well no probably never) will implement something similar.

Maybe Kain Spero could bring the community's views on this to CCP - oh wait nevermind, I forgot I saw him qsynced in FW match with TP and AE protostomping the 10 New Players on my team.

But what if I pubstomp is ADV or BPO gear?

So having just experienced the problem to a huge degree, I must say it has got to be incredibly frustrating. I just started a pub match, and instantly (and I'm serious, IT WAS INSTANTLY) died every time I spawned. I'm running an ADV gallente logi, stacked armor mods and some (undisclosed) proto gear. Nevertheless, I died as soon as I spawned, using the smart spawn option (not just spawning in to some dumb drop uplink in a bad position).

This creates several significant problems. It was frustrating, and that isn't the point. If I wasn't running the gear I was, I might not have gone 1 and 4, so if I was a new player, this would have been impossible. Instantly spawning and dying isn't worth the time of any gamer. If you aren't spawned in to the beginning of a match, you could find yourself on the end of a Duvolle, and that is the big problem. In order for this game to last, there has to be some distinction, so an entire team can hold off a squad of vets. I'm don't mean to say, "WE NEED TO STOP THE PROTOSTOMPING WTF I HATE DYING," I mean to say that the long term vision of this game is hurt by the fact that new players are turned away by matches like mine...