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Lorhak Gannarsein
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.10.18 14:11:00 -
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Atiim wrote:And I could make that 7k if I didn't design my tank to rep other tanks.
This tells me you are a sh*tty tanker.
Steel plate = bad, so does multiple plates. If you're doing either of these things...
Sorry, but stop telling people you're a competent tanker.
There are only three ways it's possible to survive PRO AV in a tank at the moment: first, all your modules are available. Second way - sheer f*cking luck, thanks to this buggy game working in the tanker's favour for once, and three - the AVer is sh*t.
Usually it's the first; after all, it's basically impossible to be bad at AV with swarms. And if you're getting killed by infantry while you're trying to deal with a tank, you're clearly doing it wrong.
AVers seem to want us to need to use teamwork to survive... we do. It's only possible to solo against a crap team. (I'm very fortunate in that my reds are usually bad  )
AVers seem to want to be able to kill us without needing to use teamwork... even when that teamwork is simply the AVer being a moron and running into squads of reds ad infinitum. |
Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.10.18 14:17:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Why cant you quote properly?
No you balance it right, if we dont have proto vehicles how can we balance it to proto AV? you cant so you start at basic
I use teamwork with my tank, when i use AV i can just solo it with ease and not have to use teamwork - love double standards from AV players, its never been easier to solo a vehicle
Also you always forget, vehicles are being changed and so will AV so its best to start at basic and build up so then adv is balanced with adv and same with proto
But a bad player like you doesnt understand logic, you cant kill a basic tank with lolprotoswarms and av nades, you cant even fit up a semi decent tank and would get destroyed in seconds by basic AV anyways
Frankly you are irrelevent Umm you do realized that it was you who messed up the text for the quotes right? I'm capable of teamwork, but good AV is not a skill that everyone has. And I honestly doubt your credibility with lolswarms, as you can only solo with PRO AV. If you get soloed by STD/ADV AV then you suck. There is not helping or rebalancing that. As for balancing AV, you realize that a basic SL can't do crap against a good tank right? No that's what I thought. Stop dodging the question, do you or do you not want everyone and his grandma to have PRO AV? Do you want full 16 man teams to have AV the second you call in a car? That qualifies as teamwork right? - love double standards from loltankers. Maybe you should pour that 1 Million ISK Into some Kleenex, because tanking clearly is not good for you.
You mean you screwed up the quotes
Good AV requires skill? lolno swarms/AV nades do not, FG requires a little and PLC requires alot now which one is the most popular AV weapon to use?
Basic SL can, new tanks have 3 slots for tank and 2 slot for whatever is left over, but the basic AV cannot solo a tank in general unless the pilot is an idiot, get 2 ppl and you can kill it
You can have proto AV if i get my proto vehicles DS/LAV/HAV
Also you really think this game will stick to being 16v16 forvever? also everyone should have a AV suit tbh, if you dont then dont complain if a tank stomps on you
Stick to being irrelevent since you are clearly bad at this game |
Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.10.18 14:17:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:No AV numbers yet
Basic vs basic is the best way tbh then scale it up
Swarms and AV nades will likely get around a 33% nerf, at least that's what I've heard so far.
That means swarms will be doing 880 / 1100 / 1320 damage across std /adv / pro tier. That means proto swarms will be doing the amount of damage standard swarms currently do. That's a massive nerf.
If you want basic vs basic, that means no proto (or advanced) turrets for you, is that what you want? Because you simply ignored me saying standard hulls, proto mods and proto turrets = standard suits, proto mods and proto weapons. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
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Posted - 2013.10.18 14:37:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:No AV numbers yet
Basic vs basic is the best way tbh then scale it up Swarms and AV nades will likely get around a 33% nerf, at least that's what I've heard so far. That means swarms will be doing 880 / 1100 / 1320 damage across std / adv / pro tier. That means proto swarms will be doing the amount of damage standard swarms currently do. That's a massive nerf. If you want basic vs basic, that means no proto (or advanced) turrets for you, is that what you want? Because you simply ignored me saying standard hulls, proto mods and proto turrets = standard suits, proto mods and proto weapons.
Ive heard that
33% damage with 3k proto swarms atm just makes it 2k per volley
No way would ppl give up adv/proto suits, its impossible to do
Possibly basic vehicles and mods vs basic AV and basic mods but again it require removal of adv/proto dmg mods
We do have proto weapons but what do they add to the vehicle apart from damage? 2 of the turrets cannot reach 400m to hit that SL, 300m to hit the FG and we cant do it unless we go rail and it doesnt add to the actual tank
Atm its basic hull, proto mods/turrets vs proto suit/mods and AV
Where is my proto hull with proto mods and turrets to defend against infantry equivelent? chances are we wont get it, if we did and it was OP god forbid the QQ would drown out the forums with infantry complaints and they alreadt complained in chrome hence the 6months of nerfs for vehicles and buffs to AV |
Void Echo
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:02:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:
1.) If nobody can destroy you, then that would be a 30/0 per match and a 300k isk payout, while "cheating" infantry units out of a fair game.
I rarely ever go 30/0 per match even with no av on the field. that's a stupid reason non the less, the biggest payout iv gotten from a pub match is 450k and that's because I destroyed enemy vehicles the whole match, killing infantry doesn't allow me to make a profit while tanking.
2.) Because being AV sacrifices a lot because you are still in a dropsuit and are still exposed to normal infantry on the ground
being a tanker, you sacrifice the ability to fight outside of your vehicle. when outside, we can barely hold our own against anyone unless we have enough SP to skill into infantry.
3.) 2 Million SP is a lot compared to 10 Million into tanking. Tanks can do anything from sniping (kinda), to assualt, to AV and more. AV (except FGs) can only be used to kill vehicles. Ever see someone kill a dropsuit with Lai Dais?
2 mil does not = 10 mil. tankers earn the privilege to be effective in anything thanks to the amount of personal investment we put into tanks.
4.) Why shouldn't I be able to destroy you? What should we bring in cromo tanks and buff them to 20k armor? Nah that's too low I bet you want MCC Level health and armor. What should be able to destroy you? Should we just make you invincible like 98% of the loltanking community wants to be?
why does me not wanting to be one shoted or soloed by you mean I want unlimited health? does that mean you know without a doubt that you cant use teamwork worth **** and completely suck at what you do so you automatically believe "they don't want me to one shot them so that means they want to be godmode"? I think so.
5.) Because that same prick who only Spent 2 Million SP and 77k ISK is that same prick who is gonna get whipped and beaten by the enemy infantry on the ground.
guess what genius, so do tankers that spend all their SP into tanks, tankers have to sacrifice skilling into anything else in order to complete tank basic skills. and guess what, that's ok, because your not supostu be master of everything. that's why AVnades need to be nerfed to hell or removed altogether, they do too much damage for what they are and they allow you to ignore the basic rule being that you must sacrifice in order to gain.
1 Million ISK per deployment please.
yeah, it costs around 1 mil isk to deploy a decent tank fitting, the lowest cost is around 900k isk which doesn't survive long. aks any tanker, theyl tell you how much it costs to deploy a decent tank.. if you don't believe me on that, then you truly are ignorant.
You are a lair. Mine costs 3-4.5k ISK
lol im not lying, it costs 1.3 million to deploy my tank, I designed it to be a destroyer than can take some damage. you are just ignorant. any tank that costs less than 1 mil isk I destroy easily. |
Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:09:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
1. Swarm missiles dont fly backwards if target is infront, you are making this up
2. Swarm missiles do not fly in circles unless chasing a dropship which is flying in a circle pattern, you are making this up
3. Swarms only hit a wall if the vehicle is behind something but yet you can still lock onto part of the tank, the missiles always travel towards the middle of the tank and if the middile is behind cover the missiles will hit cover. Not ewhen a vehicle is in the open and missiles are fired and then the vehicle goes behind cover the missiles track to where the target once was then tracks to where it is now, this results in missiles which go around corners and hit even tho they should traget to where the target is and not where it once was
You use proto AV vs a basic tank, we do not have proto vehicles at all so this idea you do not like because you would be on level terms with vehicles thus it would be harder for you to kill it and since you have trouble with basic tanks when using proto AV it means you wouldnt have a chance in hell of killing a basic tank with basic AV because you are bad
to # 1 i agree i have never seen swarms fly backwards unless you turn your back to the target before firing.
to # 2 swarms will fly in circles depending how close you fire to the target and if you point the swarms into the air ( by circle i mean swarms do 2 tight circles then come down attempting to hit the target).
to # 3 you can get a lock when target is behind cover some times i don't know why it does it. (i think if you cant see it you shouldn't be able to lock on, this coming form a swarm user.) i thought that the swarms lock on to the bottom of the vehicle not the middle but i am not 100% sure so i apologize if i am mistaken.
on your logic of having basic hull with proto turret wouldn't that equal basic drop suit with proto weapon?
yes i agree that some AV weapons can be dialed down a bit, nades mostly i have seen nades just obliterate. |
Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:19:00 -
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Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
1. Swarm missiles dont fly backwards if target is infront, you are making this up
2. Swarm missiles do not fly in circles unless chasing a dropship which is flying in a circle pattern, you are making this up
3. Swarms only hit a wall if the vehicle is behind something but yet you can still lock onto part of the tank, the missiles always travel towards the middle of the tank and if the middile is behind cover the missiles will hit cover. Not ewhen a vehicle is in the open and missiles are fired and then the vehicle goes behind cover the missiles track to where the target once was then tracks to where it is now, this results in missiles which go around corners and hit even tho they should traget to where the target is and not where it once was
You use proto AV vs a basic tank, we do not have proto vehicles at all so this idea you do not like because you would be on level terms with vehicles thus it would be harder for you to kill it and since you have trouble with basic tanks when using proto AV it means you wouldnt have a chance in hell of killing a basic tank with basic AV because you are bad
to # 1 i agree i have never seen swarms fly backwards unless you turn your back to the target before firing. to # 2 swarms will fly in circles depending how close you fire to the target and if you point the swarms into the air ( by circle i mean swarms do 2 tight circles then come down attempting to hit the target). to # 3 you can get a lock when target is behind cover some times i don't know why it does it. (i think if you cant see it you shouldn't be able to lock on, this coming form a swarm user.) i thought that the swarms lock on to the bottom of the vehicle not the middle but i am not 100% sure so i apologize if i am mistaken. on your logic of having basic hull with proto turret wouldn't that equal basic drop suit with proto weapon? yes i agree that some AV weapons can be dialed down a bit, nades mostly i have seen nades just obliterate.
Bottom middle same areaish, locks onto the square either way
No one would drop the proto suits
Cant drop the proto dmg mods either
Only thing you can drop is proto AV, on the vehicle side we are stuck with basic for like 7months now, we could drop proto turrets but then what about the mods providing we can fit on proto mods on a basic hull that would mean all vehicles have basic everything vs a proto suit with proto dmg mods with a basic AV weapon and you can whack on 3 proto dmg mods on a proto suit for a good deal of damage
Vehicles just dont have proto hulls, give us that and then we can see about balancing because it would be proto vehicle/mods/turrets vs proto suit/mods/AV but i dont expect to get proto hulls at all |
Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:31:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
1. Swarm missiles dont fly backwards if target is infront, you are making this up
2. Swarm missiles do not fly in circles unless chasing a dropship which is flying in a circle pattern, you are making this up
3. Swarms only hit a wall if the vehicle is behind something but yet you can still lock onto part of the tank, the missiles always travel towards the middle of the tank and if the middile is behind cover the missiles will hit cover. Not ewhen a vehicle is in the open and missiles are fired and then the vehicle goes behind cover the missiles track to where the target once was then tracks to where it is now, this results in missiles which go around corners and hit even tho they should traget to where the target is and not where it once was
You use proto AV vs a basic tank, we do not have proto vehicles at all so this idea you do not like because you would be on level terms with vehicles thus it would be harder for you to kill it and since you have trouble with basic tanks when using proto AV it means you wouldnt have a chance in hell of killing a basic tank with basic AV because you are bad
to # 1 i agree i have never seen swarms fly backwards unless you turn your back to the target before firing. to # 2 swarms will fly in circles depending how close you fire to the target and if you point the swarms into the air ( by circle i mean swarms do 2 tight circles then come down attempting to hit the target). to # 3 you can get a lock when target is behind cover some times i don't know why it does it. (i think if you cant see it you shouldn't be able to lock on, this coming form a swarm user.) i thought that the swarms lock on to the bottom of the vehicle not the middle but i am not 100% sure so i apologize if i am mistaken. on your logic of having basic hull with proto turret wouldn't that equal basic drop suit with proto weapon? yes i agree that some AV weapons can be dialed down a bit, nades mostly i have seen nades just obliterate. Bottom middle same areaish, locks onto the square either way No one would drop the proto suits Cant drop the proto dmg mods either Only thing you can drop is proto AV, on the vehicle side we are stuck with basic for like 7months now, we could drop proto turrets but then what about the mods providing we can fit on proto mods on a basic hull that would mean all vehicles have basic everything vs a proto suit with proto dmg mods with a basic AV weapon and you can whack on 3 proto dmg mods on a proto suit for a good deal of damage Vehicles just dont have proto hulls, give us that and then we can see about balancing because it would be proto vehicle/mods/turrets vs proto suit/mods/AV but i dont expect to get proto hulls at all
Ahh i see i only recently started in vehicles as well. At the moment i just have a basic LAV and use it as support for tankers a sheild and armor transporter and i just follow them around healing them, and GTFO when it gets too hot when i start becoming a target sometimes i go in to help get the tank get out when they are trying to retreat
On the subject of the damage mods i know there is a stacking penalty but no sure of the amount from what i was told it was 25% beyond the first. i do not know about tanks i know some vehicles have a a natural resistance bonus aside from the hardeners, and diagonistacs thingy and the mod with the suit case with the + on it
i do agree that CCp needs to do something about this situation.I do enjoy fighting tanks and dont want to see it become one sided |
Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.18 16:35:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Ok well when I run you over and get away with 100hp because you wen't with the weaker gun (or grenade) I will mail you personally and ask if you regret using them for support as opposed to a YOU SHALL NOT PASS, denial weapon edit (because I accidentally hit post instead of preview) I remember those chromosome tanks. Those were scary. And I still know about Logi LAVs. Those things zipping at you full speed with nitrous is pee your pants scary. And I got sick of running against people with vehicles. So instead of being a butthurt scrub I decided to be a Logi LAV driver. Didn't help against other tanks. Then I became a tanker. Wasn't as efficient against entire squads of tanks. Then I tried AV. It sucked. But then I upgraded and upgraded and when I got to proto, Hmm. Getting better. Tried Lai Dais. Hmm. closer.. closer.. Got profecincy lvl 3. Perfect  . I will never chose a STD or ADV when I go up against vehicles. And I will never get a sleek av grenade when the packed ones guarantee a victory. Would you bring a water gun or a Fire Truck to put out a fire? Why in gods name would you suggest using something weaker. And If I do use something weaker then why should I only carry one? Give me 5 GOOD reasons why I should use a weaker variant and risk letting them live and I'll stop going AV. And no CPU/PG is not a good reason. Mercy? Don't make me laugh. im a tanker, everyone knows that, im wont get run over, il shoot you with my railgun before you get 30m next to me. give me 5 good reasons why some prick who only spent 2 mil SP and 3K ISK should be able to solo my tank when I have over 10 mil SP skilled and I pay over 1 mil to deploy. 1.) If nobody can destroy you, then that would be a 30/0 per match and a 300k isk payout, while "cheating" infantry units out of a fair game. 2.) Because being AV sacrifices a lot because you are still in a dropsuit and are still exposed to normal infantry on the ground 3.) 2 Million SP is a lot compared to 10 Million into tanking. Tanks can do anything from sniping (kinda), to assualt, to AV and more. AV (except FGs) can only be used to kill vehicles. Ever see someone kill a dropsuit with Lai Dais? 4.) Why shouldn't I be able to destroy you? What should we bring in cromo tanks and buff them to 20k armor? Nah that's too low I bet you want MCC Level health and armor. What should be able to destroy you? Should we just make you invincible like 98% of the loltanking community wants to be? 5.) Because that same prick who only Spent 2 Million SP and 77k ISK is that same prick who is gonna get whipped and beaten by the enemy infantry on the ground. 1 Million ISK per deployment please. What, you think good tanks don't cost 1mil ISK? See, I told you you've never tanked. My Madrugar, costs me 450k, and it's got a good repper, 180mm steel plates, 2 beta PG extenders, a heavy armor remote repairer, and a light converse shield transporter. Along with an ST-1 missile launcher (or whatever that basic missile turret is). And I could reduce that cost to 300k if I really wanted to. Don't believe me? Then I'll post a picture when I get home. Tanks cost 1 Mil when you make them cost one mil
Please do post a picture. |
Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.18 16:37:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Destroyer Rob wrote:i didnt read anything in the post but i had an idea about tanks. i think it would be good if there was some item or some way to damage the track of a tank so it is either temporarily immobilized or something. right now in a pub for example its so easy for a tank to just engage then run away when its low and rep up. tank can go completely untactical without any infantry support and beast mode too easy. maybe an immobilization grenade that will make it move 20% speed for 30 seconds, or hitting a track with a forge gun makes it unable to move for 10 seconds or something. maybe let us shove logs in the track like the finns of the winter war eh Yeah most lol tankers don't do anything but run and gun, and then wonder why AV hurts.
Yeah, most AV relies on the game to aim for them, then complain when they can't destroy tanks with PRO AV, then wonder why they get killed so easily by a platform meant to duel with other tanks. |
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.18 16:42:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Atiim wrote:I have a 450k tank which could vaporise it, the reason a decent tank costs 1mil is mainly due to the turret which needs to be good enough to whack AV infantry and any tanks you come across Hmm a S*** tank tho huh? Never had a problem with killing infantry when I have my missile launcher on. 6899 armor isn't that crappy, considering that that's what all the Madrugars I've ever seen have. And I could make that 7k if I didn't design my tank to rep other tanks. Then again I guess maybe everyone has a **** tank, which is most likely true. Thers is **** tanks like your fitting then ther is smart cheap tanks All tanks in general are 500k about due to the mods, its the turrets which skyrocket the price but also make you more offensive against vehicles and AI if you choose to try and do both
**** tanks and smart tanks huh? What is the difference? Unless you think I have MLT gear.
Though let's stop having an e-peen stroking contest and get to the point:
If we nerf AV, (which you clearly want) and leave LOLTanks the same then you will dominate regardless of AV resistance. A basic swarm launcher is a MLT swarm launcher with lower CPU/PG. You know that. I know that. And the same is for FGs.
You wasn't to be able to stomp with little to no AV resistance whatsoever. And don't give me that teamwork BS because last time I checked, it takes ONE PERSON to drive a Loltank. And Squads of tanks are very rare. DO YOU WANT 16 PEOPLE WITH PROTO AV?.
Say no and your a hypocrite. Say yes and your just plain stupid.
Here is a tip, do what infantry does, DON'T RUN THE MOST EXPENSIVE CRAP POSSIBLE. Maybe you and the rest of your incompetent **** loltankers won't be so butthurt when I destroy your tanks
GET GOOD or don't call out your **** tank
Oh and don't get me wrong, you are a **** tanker, along with the rest of you loltankers[/quote]
LOL You consider your terrible fit to be a good tank, but someone else's tank with resistances to be a bad tank. Methinks you need to look in the mirror more often.
But infantry does run the most expensive stuff possible, and they can still make a profit. We run the most expensive stuff on a tank JUST TO SURVIVE A SINGLE MATCH.
Everybody has a problem with a tank being the best counter to another tank, but nobody has a problem with AV being literal punishment against vehicles, because why balance the game for game modes that matter (FW and PC if you don't know) when infantry wants CCP to balance the game on ambush (and screw skirmish and domination, who needs objectives). |
Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.18 16:43:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Taka just stop this bs wanting to remove proto AV.
As far as I know vehicles will have both proto mods and weapons, so if anything should happen, AV players shouldn't be allowed to use AV on anything but standard suits.
Of course there's no chance that would happen, and frankly wouldn't change a single thing since you can easily use proto AV on standard suits.
If you would just take the time and go through the vehicle changes you would see that AV will have a very hard time taking you out, especially since swarms and AV nades (and possibly the forge gun as well) are being nerfed.
Where are you getting this inside information? |
Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.18 16:44:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Why cant you quote properly?
No you balance it right, if we dont have proto vehicles how can we balance it to proto AV? you cant so you start at basic
I use teamwork with my tank, when i use AV i can just solo it with ease and not have to use teamwork - love double standards from AV players, its never been easier to solo a vehicle
Also you always forget, vehicles are being changed and so will AV so its best to start at basic and build up so then adv is balanced with adv and same with proto
But a bad player like you doesnt understand logic, you cant kill a basic tank with lolprotoswarms and av nades, you cant even fit up a semi decent tank and would get destroyed in seconds by basic AV anyways
Frankly you are irrelevent Umm you do realized that it was you who messed up the text for the quotes right? I'm capable of teamwork, but good AV is not a skill that everyone has. And I honestly doubt your credibility with lolswarms, as you can only solo with PRO AV. If you get soloed by STD/ADV AV then you suck. There is not helping or rebalancing that. As for balancing AV, you realize that a basic SL can't do crap against a good tank right? No that's what I thought. Stop dodging the question, do you or do you not want everyone and his grandma to have PRO AV? Do you want full 16 man teams to have AV the second you call in a car? That qualifies as teamwork right? - love double standards from loltankers. Maybe you should pour that 1 Million ISK Into some Kleenex, because tanking clearly is not good for you.
LOL Good AV isn't even a skill! The game takes care of aiming for you! How can that possibly be considered to be "good?" |
Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.18 16:47:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:No AV numbers yet
Basic vs basic is the best way tbh then scale it up Swarms and AV nades will likely get around a 33% nerf, at least that's what I've heard so far. That means swarms will be doing 880 / 1100 / 1320 damage across std / adv / pro tier. That means proto swarms will be doing the amount of damage standard swarms currently do. That's a massive nerf. If you want basic vs basic, that means no proto (or advanced) turrets for you, is that what you want? Because you simply ignored me saying standard hulls, proto mods and proto turrets = standard suits, proto mods and proto weapons.
You're forgetting 5 complex damage mods. Duh |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:26:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:
LOL Good AV isn't even a skill! The game takes care of aiming for you! How can that possibly be considered to be "good?"
Go solo a Madruger starting at stand off range with infantry escort and tell me that again. |
Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:30:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
LOL Good AV isn't even a skill! The game takes care of aiming for you! How can that possibly be considered to be "good?"
Go solo a Madruger on foot starting at stand off range with infantry escort and tell me that again.
Too easy with proto swarms, 9k dmg coming at you in 3seconds
Or just drive a LAV near and pop out and fire using the lav as cover |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:53:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
LOL Good AV isn't even a skill! The game takes care of aiming for you! How can that possibly be considered to be "good?"
Go solo a Madruger on foot starting at stand off range with infantry escort and tell me that again. Too easy with proto swarms, 9k dmg coming at you in 3seconds Or just drive a LAV near and pop out and fire using the lav as cover
Done it with milita swarms before the fixed the lock step. |
Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:54:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
LOL Good AV isn't even a skill! The game takes care of aiming for you! How can that possibly be considered to be "good?"
Go solo a Madruger on foot starting at stand off range with infantry escort and tell me that again.
LOL As if you could do that. |
Atiim
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:55:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Why cant you quote properly?
No you balance it right, if we dont have proto vehicles how can we balance it to proto AV? you cant so you start at basic
I use teamwork with my tank, when i use AV i can just solo it with ease and not have to use teamwork - love double standards from AV players, its never been easier to solo a vehicle
Also you always forget, vehicles are being changed and so will AV so its best to start at basic and build up so then adv is balanced with adv and same with proto
But a bad player like you doesnt understand logic, you cant kill a basic tank with lolprotoswarms and av nades, you cant even fit up a semi decent tank and would get destroyed in seconds by basic AV anyways
Frankly you are irrelevent Umm you do realized that it was you who messed up the text for the quotes right? I'm capable of teamwork, but good AV is not a skill that everyone has. And I honestly doubt your credibility with lolswarms, as you can only solo with PRO AV. If you get soloed by STD/ADV AV then you suck. There is not helping or rebalancing that. As for balancing AV, you realize that a basic SL can't do crap against a good tank right? No that's what I thought. Stop dodging the question, do you or do you not want everyone and his grandma to have PRO AV? Do you want full 16 man teams to have AV the second you call in a car? That qualifies as teamwork right? - love double standards from loltankers. Maybe you should pour that 1 Million ISK Into some Kleenex, because tanking clearly is not good for you. You mean you screwed up the quotes Good AV requires skill? lolno swarms/AV nades do not, FG requires a little and PLC requires alot now which one is the most popular AV weapon to use? Basic SL can, new tanks have 3 slots for tank and 2 slot for whatever is left over, but the basic AV cannot solo a tank in general unless the pilot is an idiot, get 2 ppl and you can kill it You can have proto AV if i get my proto vehicles DS/LAV/HAV Also you really think this game will stick to being 16v16 forvever? also everyone should have a AV suit tbh, if you dont then dont complain if a tank stomps on you Stick to being irrelevent since you are clearly bad at this game
TBH I never had a problem with having to go up against PRO loltanks, actually that is what NEEDS TO HAPPEN. When did i say no PRO tanks? All I said is that if you have basic tanks, then I still want my PRO AV.
The way most ppl use AV requires no skill. But the most effective way to use AV is to wait until the tank drives out of cover and beat the ever loving crap out of it.
Tanking doesn't require much skill, drive around kill crap, and avoid AV.
Everybody should have a remote repairer and shield transporters for repairing each other if there harders and/or armor regenerators die. If you don't have that then don't complain when AV Stomps you? See what I did there
So you loltankers all use teamwork? So you never use your tank unless somebody else has a tank out? That's a lie.
No I don't think 16v16 is gonna be forever, and you need to stay irrelevant because you clearly suck at tanking. And I honestly couldn't give a crap what you think about my skills, if you are wrong then you are wrong. No getting around that. |
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:55:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
LOL Good AV isn't even a skill! The game takes care of aiming for you! How can that possibly be considered to be "good?"
Go solo a Madruger on foot starting at stand off range with infantry escort and tell me that again. Too easy with proto swarms, 9k dmg coming at you in 3seconds Or just drive a LAV near and pop out and fire using the lav as cover Done it with milita swarms before the fixed the lock step.
LOL "I've taken out the enemy MCC with a forge. Fact" |
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:56:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Why cant you quote properly?
No you balance it right, if we dont have proto vehicles how can we balance it to proto AV? you cant so you start at basic
I use teamwork with my tank, when i use AV i can just solo it with ease and not have to use teamwork - love double standards from AV players, its never been easier to solo a vehicle
Also you always forget, vehicles are being changed and so will AV so its best to start at basic and build up so then adv is balanced with adv and same with proto
But a bad player like you doesnt understand logic, you cant kill a basic tank with lolprotoswarms and av nades, you cant even fit up a semi decent tank and would get destroyed in seconds by basic AV anyways
Frankly you are irrelevent Umm you do realized that it was you who messed up the text for the quotes right? I'm capable of teamwork, but good AV is not a skill that everyone has. And I honestly doubt your credibility with lolswarms, as you can only solo with PRO AV. If you get soloed by STD/ADV AV then you suck. There is not helping or rebalancing that. As for balancing AV, you realize that a basic SL can't do crap against a good tank right? No that's what I thought. Stop dodging the question, do you or do you not want everyone and his grandma to have PRO AV? Do you want full 16 man teams to have AV the second you call in a car? That qualifies as teamwork right? - love double standards from loltankers. Maybe you should pour that 1 Million ISK Into some Kleenex, because tanking clearly is not good for you. You mean you screwed up the quotes Good AV requires skill? lolno swarms/AV nades do not, FG requires a little and PLC requires alot now which one is the most popular AV weapon to use? Basic SL can, new tanks have 3 slots for tank and 2 slot for whatever is left over, but the basic AV cannot solo a tank in general unless the pilot is an idiot, get 2 ppl and you can kill it You can have proto AV if i get my proto vehicles DS/LAV/HAV Also you really think this game will stick to being 16v16 forvever? also everyone should have a AV suit tbh, if you dont then dont complain if a tank stomps on you Stick to being irrelevent since you are clearly bad at this game TBH I never had a problem with having to go up against PRO loltanks, actually that is what NEEDS TO HAPPEN. When did i say no PRO tanks? All I said is that if you have basic tanks, then I still want my PRO AV. The way most ppl use AV requires no skill. But the most effective way to use AV is to wait until the tank drives out of cover and beat the ever loving crap out of it. Tanking doesn't require much skill, drive around kill crap, and avoid AV. Everybody should have a remote repairer and shield transporters for repairing each other if there harders and/or armor regenerators die. If you don't have that then don't complain when AV Stomps you? See what I did there So you loltankers all use teamwork? So you never use your tank unless somebody else has a tank out? That's a lie. No I don't think 16v16 is gonna be forever, and you need to stay irrelevant because you clearly suck at tanking. And I honestly couldn't give a crap what you think about my skills, if you are wrong then you are wrong. No getting around that.
We don't have PRO tanks. STD hull, mods and PRO turret =/= PRO hull, PRO mods and PRO turret. We don't have PRO tanks. |
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:57:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Why cant you quote properly?
No you balance it right, if we dont have proto vehicles how can we balance it to proto AV? you cant so you start at basic
I use teamwork with my tank, when i use AV i can just solo it with ease and not have to use teamwork - love double standards from AV players, its never been easier to solo a vehicle
Also you always forget, vehicles are being changed and so will AV so its best to start at basic and build up so then adv is balanced with adv and same with proto
But a bad player like you doesnt understand logic, you cant kill a basic tank with lolprotoswarms and av nades, you cant even fit up a semi decent tank and would get destroyed in seconds by basic AV anyways
Frankly you are irrelevent Umm you do realized that it was you who messed up the text for the quotes right? I'm capable of teamwork, but good AV is not a skill that everyone has. And I honestly doubt your credibility with lolswarms, as you can only solo with PRO AV. If you get soloed by STD/ADV AV then you suck. There is not helping or rebalancing that. As for balancing AV, you realize that a basic SL can't do crap against a good tank right? No that's what I thought. Stop dodging the question, do you or do you not want everyone and his grandma to have PRO AV? Do you want full 16 man teams to have AV the second you call in a car? That qualifies as teamwork right? - love double standards from loltankers. Maybe you should pour that 1 Million ISK Into some Kleenex, because tanking clearly is not good for you. You mean you screwed up the quotes Good AV requires skill? lolno swarms/AV nades do not, FG requires a little and PLC requires alot now which one is the most popular AV weapon to use? Basic SL can, new tanks have 3 slots for tank and 2 slot for whatever is left over, but the basic AV cannot solo a tank in general unless the pilot is an idiot, get 2 ppl and you can kill it You can have proto AV if i get my proto vehicles DS/LAV/HAV Also you really think this game will stick to being 16v16 forvever? also everyone should have a AV suit tbh, if you dont then dont complain if a tank stomps on you Stick to being irrelevent since you are clearly bad at this game TBH I never had a problem with having to go up against PRO loltanks, actually that is what NEEDS TO HAPPEN. When did i say no PRO tanks? All I said is that if you have basic tanks, then I still want my PRO AV. The way most ppl use AV requires no skill. But the most effective way to use AV is to wait until the tank drives out of cover and beat the ever loving crap out of it. Tanking doesn't require much skill, drive around kill crap, and avoid AV. Everybody should have a remote repairer and shield transporters for repairing each other if there harders and/or armor regenerators die. If you don't have that then don't complain when AV Stomps you? See what I did there So you loltankers all use teamwork? So you never use your tank unless somebody else has a tank out? That's a lie. No I don't think 16v16 is gonna be forever, and you need to stay irrelevant because you clearly suck at tanking. And I honestly couldn't give a crap what you think about my skills, if you are wrong then you are wrong. No getting around that.
Also, I'm on right now. Care to show me how you tank? |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:58:00 -
[173] - Quote
Spkr4theDead wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
LOL Good AV isn't even a skill! The game takes care of aiming for you! How can that possibly be considered to be "good?"
Go solo a Madruger on foot starting at stand off range with infantry escort and tell me that again. Too easy with proto swarms, 9k dmg coming at you in 3seconds Or just drive a LAV near and pop out and fire using the lav as cover Done it with milita swarms before the fixed the lock step. LOL "I've taken out the enemy MCC with a forge. Fact"
Actually I have 120+ points at the time. |
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:58:00 -
[174] - Quote
Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
LOL Good AV isn't even a skill! The game takes care of aiming for you! How can that possibly be considered to be "good?"
Go solo a Madruger on foot starting at stand off range with infantry escort and tell me that again. Too easy with proto swarms, 9k dmg coming at you in 3seconds Or just drive a LAV near and pop out and fire using the lav as cover
When are you getting on? First PC starts in about an hour. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:59:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Why cant you quote properly?
No you balance it right, if we dont have proto vehicles how can we balance it to proto AV? you cant so you start at basic
I use teamwork with my tank, when i use AV i can just solo it with ease and not have to use teamwork - love double standards from AV players, its never been easier to solo a vehicle
Also you always forget, vehicles are being changed and so will AV so its best to start at basic and build up so then adv is balanced with adv and same with proto
But a bad player like you doesnt understand logic, you cant kill a basic tank with lolprotoswarms and av nades, you cant even fit up a semi decent tank and would get destroyed in seconds by basic AV anyways
Frankly you are irrelevent Umm you do realized that it was you who messed up the text for the quotes right? I'm capable of teamwork, but good AV is not a skill that everyone has. And I honestly doubt your credibility with lolswarms, as you can only solo with PRO AV. If you get soloed by STD/ADV AV then you suck. There is not helping or rebalancing that. As for balancing AV, you realize that a basic SL can't do crap against a good tank right? No that's what I thought. Stop dodging the question, do you or do you not want everyone and his grandma to have PRO AV? Do you want full 16 man teams to have AV the second you call in a car? That qualifies as teamwork right? - love double standards from loltankers. Maybe you should pour that 1 Million ISK Into some Kleenex, because tanking clearly is not good for you. You mean you screwed up the quotes Good AV requires skill? lolno swarms/AV nades do not, FG requires a little and PLC requires alot now which one is the most popular AV weapon to use? Basic SL can, new tanks have 3 slots for tank and 2 slot for whatever is left over, but the basic AV cannot solo a tank in general unless the pilot is an idiot, get 2 ppl and you can kill it You can have proto AV if i get my proto vehicles DS/LAV/HAV Also you really think this game will stick to being 16v16 forvever? also everyone should have a AV suit tbh, if you dont then dont complain if a tank stomps on you Stick to being irrelevent since you are clearly bad at this game TBH I never had a problem with having to go up against PRO loltanks, actually that is what NEEDS TO HAPPEN. When did i say no PRO tanks? All I said is that if you have basic tanks, then I still want my PRO AV. The way most ppl use AV requires no skill. But the most effective way to use AV is to wait until the tank drives out of cover and beat the ever loving crap out of it. Tanking doesn't require much skill, drive around kill crap, and avoid AV. Everybody should have a remote repairer and shield transporters for repairing each other if there harders and/or armor regenerators die. If you don't have that then don't complain when AV Stomps you? See what I did there So you loltankers all use teamwork? So you never use your tank unless somebody else has a tank out? That's a lie. No I don't think 16v16 is gonna be forever, and you need to stay irrelevant because you clearly suck at tanking. And I honestly couldn't give a crap what you think about my skills, if you are wrong then you are wrong. No getting around that. We don't have PRO tanks. STD hull, mods and PRO turret =/= PRO hull, PRO mods and PRO turret. We don't have PRO tanks.
Falchion is tier 3
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:59:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Actually I have 120+ points at the time.
Reading comprehension 0 |
Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:02:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Falchion is tier 3
Falchion is MLT hull with a lame bonus. |
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:03:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Actually I have 120+ points at the time.
Reading comprehension 0
Herp derp, so says a guy who cannot seem to survive a match in a maddy. |
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:13:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Actually I have 120+ points at the time.
Reading comprehension 0 Herp derp, so says a guy who cannot seem to survive a match in a maddy.
Because I actually do go to the front lines to try to make a difference. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:19:00 -
[180] - Quote
Atiim wrote:
1.) If nobody can destroy you, then that would be a 30/0 per match and a 300k isk payout, while "cheating" infantry units out of a fair game.
2.) Because being AV sacrifices a lot because you are still in a dropsuit and are still exposed to normal infantry on the ground
3.) 2 Million SP is a lot compared to 10 Million into tanking. Tanks can do anything from sniping (kinda), to assualt, to AV and more. AV (except FGs) can only be used to kill vehicles. Ever see someone kill a dropsuit with Lai Dais?
4.) Why shouldn't I be able to destroy you? What should we bring in cromo tanks and buff them to 20k armor? Nah that's too low I bet you want MCC Level health and armor. What should be able to destroy you? Should we just make you invincible like 98% of the loltanking community wants to be?
5.) Because that same prick who only Spent 2 Million SP and 77k ISK is that same prick who is gonna get whipped and beaten by the enemy infantry on the ground.
1 Million ISK per deployment please.
1: Well, if we die, we lose out for several games worth ISK, so don't you think it's smart for us to not want to die?
2: First off, you should have a sidearm, and even then, Forges do just fine against infantry, swarms are barely possible to kill infantry (you have to make it explode right on them, and yes, I've killed infantry with them before), and AV nades, just throw it near a person standing by a vehicle, and it'll kill them, so all you have to do is be creative, and oh wait, all AV weapons become AI weapons as well. Secondly, most of the time, you shouldn't come in those situations, so if you are fearing for your life against infantry while trying to AV a vehicle, you're doing it wrong.
3: HAV's can't snipe. Too inaccurate, and rendering makes it impossible. Plus, the regular (and I assume the Black Ops as well) HAV's are made to assault, so kinda the point. It's our purpose to go in, scare the **** out of the enemy, and make them either run, or melt them. AV is also our secondary purpose, because our main turret is supposed the Quote:highest damaging weapons in the ******* game
4: I have never seen a thread saying that we should be invincible. Strong? Yes. invincible? Boring. We just want to be able to survive long enough to make a ******* profit. Is that too much to ask for? Really, the real problem in this regard is scaring us off for the moment isn't rewarded, so you feel inclined to kill us, and that isn't right for both parities.
5: 2m SP is nothing. I've spent 12m on my HAV. You want a person who has 6x less SP to be able to kill be solo, very easy? No, it doesn't work like that. And like I said, if you're AV, and dying from regular infantry, you're doing it wrong. |
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